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However, every time you apply for a CCW in another state a NICS check or what ever, you'll have to list it on your your form WHY you were denied a permit and you'll have to explain why, as well. This could delay getting out of state CCW's, back ground checks, etc for the rest of your life.

The article is true,It will only happen in NJ... Pennsylvania is much different and won't happen over there because their guns laws are....are....are....stricter?

I bought one for me, my wife and daughter. I'd rather carry this and a fire arm but right now this (hopefully) buys me 5-10 seconds in the event of an attack. Also, our family is taking self awareness/self defense courses. I'd still prefer exercising my RIGHT to carry a firearm and defend myself and family.

How were they any worse? Believe me I could not stand both but please tell me how? My property taxes went up another $350 this year and I don't get any property tax rebate. In essence I am paying [even] more. I had to pay another $2000 out of pocket for state income taxes...what? Like I don't pay enough already. My car insurance is now $7200 for our family of 4 because or government regulations and spreading the wealth. How has Christie changed that? I could go on and on...But please, please tell me what has changed for the better. Maybe I am missing something? I had my house on the market for 6 months to get out of this hellhole but who wants to move to a state with the highest taxes? 2A rights are stagnant, etc.

Exactly... the bill of RIGHTS are God given rights that the government can NEVER take away. States rights merely have to with how they conduct business, lay taxes,etc and can not be forced by the federal government to conform to certain "items" outside of what the Constitution states.

He's right though. However, I know he is rubbing it in.. I wonder if he'll rub it in while we are gated in NJ as the world's next East Berlin?

I doesn't need propa' gramma'.. you're link its don't esplain nuthin'! its two long me thinks its a waste off time

I am in the "happy white families"... This map is "pretty" accurate. However, looking at the map would make one think NJ is pretty conservative. We all know that ain't the case. Oh well, good laughs.

At that point I mention "India"... guns are banned yet firearms [murders] are amongst the highest in the world. Usually they resort to calling me a "simpleton" or "right wing extremist" by that point.

I understand what you are saying, but my point is "denial is the first obstacle in the way of taking ANY action". Once denial is out of the way, one is free to assess, deal and move toward a resolution. I apologize if I seemed condescending... my post definitely reads that way. Once again I apologize...

Tinfoil hats? Really? The fact that this is [really] happening in IL and are concerned means we are wearing tinfoil hats? Do you really believe that the state of NJ and their representatives are on the side of the honest, taxpaying gun owner? The fact that we need to REGISTER, be finger printed, pay, meet with a cop, be interviewed, log ammo purchases and treated like a criminal to SIMPLY "qualify" for a GIVEN (granted) RIGHT should be a clue to how backwards these people really are. NJ is also the home of the most sinister, progressive (AKA Marxist) president in the history of the USA. Let me ask this; So you would say, without a doubt our GUN REGISTRATION information would never be compromised by corrupt politicians, lawyers, Judges with radical ties or groups connected to them? Not a chance at all? The fact that we have a GUN REGISTRATION (check history on that one) should at the very least be a concern in itself. So tinfoil hat for having a legitimate concern boggles my mind. I would rather have the mentality of "better to have and not need than to need and not have". Go ahead and make the jokes, I hear it from friends and family and really don't care. If I am wrong, then big deal I have a little extra food and ammo to eat/burn. But if I am right, then who is the fool?

Fixed it for you!

I believe the main concern is, there are many of the "government elite" who don't pay their taxes and they get nothing more than a slap on the wrist.We don't pay and we are classified as crazy, dangerous terrorists? I agree that taxes need to be paid as stated in the Constitution. However, we have strayed SO far from what was originally intended ...it how now become a "ponzi" scheme that we are FORCED to pay into. There are property taxes, income taxes, sales taxes, Fica, medicaid, SS, etc, etc, etc. My pay stub lists at least 8 items pertaining to "taxes". The way our officials abuse the system is the main concern and they are getting away with "murder". I hate to say this, but we are Socialists (with a small "s"). Not all laws pertain to all people, we do not all have the EQUAL freedom as listed in the Constitution. Also, your property is not yours. Miss a few tax payments and now it belongs to the government. 401K? You think all that money in there is yours? Property...you paid it off, but you think it is yours payment free? Your car...what happens if it is not inspected or you neglect to pay registration, insurance,etc? Yes..impounded! Once again, some people get away with this and others don't. Why can government get away with this? Do we simply sit idly bye with our fingers crossed hoping these politicians will suddenly be enlightened? Do you see this trend getting any better? Do you see the honest citizen getting an advantage for being honest? These elected officials (most) do not represent us and are NOT upholding their oath to the Constitution that they took. Do you think most of these people in government have our interest and that of this country at heart? The Declaration of Independence is clear what has to be done.

That was the "non-union" recipe fwiw..

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Best Chili Ingredients: 2 1/2 lb. lean chuck, ground 1 lb. lean pork, ground 4 garlic cloves, finely chopped 1 cup finely chopped onion 8 oz. hunt's tomato sauce 1 cup water 1 can beer (12 oz.) 3 Tablespoons chili powder 2 Tablespoons instant beef bouillon (or 6 cubes) 2 Tablespoons cumin, ground 2 teaspoons paprika 2 teaspoons oregano leaves 2 teaspoons sugar 1/2 teaspoon coriander, ground 1 teaspoon unsweetened cocoa 1/2 teaspoon Louisiana hot sauce 1 teaspoon cornmeal 1 teaspoon flour 1 teaspoon warm water Directions: 1. In a large saucepan brown 1 1/4 pounds of the ground meat (the beef and the pork), drain the fat. 2. Remove meat (the beef and the pork). Brown the rest of the ground meat, drain all but 2 tablespoons of the fat. 3. Add the garlic and onion, cook and stir until tender. 4. Add the other half of the meat and the tomato sauce, water, beer, chili powder, bouillon, cumin, paprika, oregano, sugar, coriander, cocoa, and hot sauce. Mix well. 5. Bring to a boil then reduce heat and simmer, covered , for 2 hours. 6. In a small bowl, stir together the cornmeal and flour, then add the warm water and mix well. 7. Stir into chili and cook, covered, for an additional 20 minutes.

Just curious, why do you think unions are "useful"? I know we are fighting the 2A thing together, but other issues are too important to ignore. I think we have become a society that is afraid to express how we really feel...I feel Conservatives have sat on the side lines TOO long trying to please everyone. Where did that get us? I don't want to sound condescending, I am simply curious why... Thanks.

Really? This threw everyone over the edge? I can not believe the BS we have to go through in order to get a gun, let alone a FID card. We have to take off of work and set up a meeting, send out references, get fingerprinted, pay via MONEY ORDER only, have a face-face meeting with Police chief, fill out paperwork, list every freaking private detail of our lives, log our ammo purchases,etc...for what? For something that is listed in the "bill of rights" that reads "shall not be infringed"? My goodness, we are not allowed to ask an illegal alien for ID in fear of hurting his feelings but we can be treated like criminals for a Constitutional right? BTW, the bill of rights DOES apply to the states. States simply can't limit free speech and illegally search and seize property. This is where the "bill of rights" kicks in. It is for ALL citizens of the USA. So what part of "shall not be infringed" does this state NOT understand? When you apply for your FID you are now a registered gun owner. Nowhere else in the country do I know of this being done. Anyway, that is my rant and sorry I went off, but I am a bit ticked that I can't [even] sell my house because no one wants to live or move to NJ! BTW, 71ragtopgoat you hit the nail on the head hence my rant.

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We need to remember that we are not dealing with people who represent us, we are dealing with people who want to overthrow us. In essence we are as "prisoners" asking the people that are holding us hostage to please give us our firearm rights. There is no reasoning with them..they do not have the same "goal" or "outcome" in mind as we do.

Nice....But remember,he is talking to Menendez and what you're saying makes too much sense for him to understand.

No, please don't because Menendez will answer something like "that is why we need stricter gun laws and the complete BAN of firearms". The main question would be "The Constitution (Bill of rights) REQUIRES it a right to bear arms and defend ourselves... why are you denying us of our Constitutional right to bear arms and DEFEND ourselves"? Guarantee you'll hear a "click" followed by a dial tone...

I hope you were joking... right? I think you'll have better luck and a more direct response from General Mao, Karl Marx or Joseph Stalin. :thsmiley_deadhorse: :thsmiley_deadhorse: :thsmiley_deadhorse: Seriously, look what he stands for... you are the enemy to him.

I like the way South Carolina has it set up. You send in paperwork that shows you are a SC resident, they do a background check then give you your CCW. However, you must get some sort of training with in the first five years of having your CCW. Either way, once states get involved there is bureaucracy, red tape and expense.

WTF? Gay marriage is NOT A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT!!!! I hate when these freaking progressives compare "apples with oranges". Firearms are in the BILL OF RIGHTS, gay marriage is NOT! This is a stupid a$$ example and is total BS....