Shane45

Its annoying because its kind of like making a Yugo do the quarter mile in 9 seconds. Can it be done? Probably but its not what I would waste my time with. The other annoyance is it seems they have a bad habit of presenting themselves like this is some new idea dreamed up all by their lonesome on many of their projects. There are a LOT of semiauto rifles out there today that are 1000yd capable out of the box. If I were a betting man I would say that Siaga is back dooring them some serious cabbage to keep their wares at the forefront of the show. One more thing I can tell you is that all these shows are pretty liberal with the editing covering up accuracy issues, malfunctions and everything else for the sake of the show. I think my particluer annoyance, though, is that it is tailored for the mall ninja!

Anthony, let me make my position perfectly clear, in my humble opinion shot placement is number one. But if there is one thing I learned, that is that there are ALWAYS exceptions. So we need to look at more of a cross section of results to have a clearer picture. From a numbers stand point, even in 45ACP there was a pretty big disparity between the effectiveness of FMJ and quality HP ammo. Its been a long time since I really tracked this stuff but the performance of modern ammo is worth the expensee in my opinion. If my life depends on it, I want every advantage I can get, luck favors the prepared. I wish the Ammolab was still around, there was a lot of good info there.

I used to be part of the AmmoLab. The founder, David DeFabio, was shot after he had shot his assailents. This prompted him to form the Ammolab for in depth analysis. We reviewed a metric ton of actual shootings and then measured what those bullets actually did in geletin etc etc. The best actual street performers penetrated around 12 to 14" of geletin and all the usual measurments of crush cavity, stretch etc etc(I dont recall these #'s). Any new ammo that had roughly the same math as proven performers generally could expect to have similer results in the real world. There were always exeptions of course. The study done by NYPD has convinced me that there are other circumstances to consider beyond just stopping power. The danger of ball ammo to innocents from "pass though" shots is a strong consideration. So for me, I want HP ammo that penetrates 12 to 14 inches in moderately covered test media. There are those that feel ball offers enough feeding reliability advantage to outweigh the stopping benefits. I think thats a worthy consideration so it is important to shoot enough of your HP def ammo to know for sure it reliable in your defensive arm. Shane

One more point to add as Vlad points out COM it really isnt going to matter much but it WILL matter greatly in a critical shot such at BG hidding behind your wife saying how he is going to cut her throat if you dont produce the ring from green lantern.

M4, I dont feel disadvantaged. It's simply a matter of knowing your mechanical offset.

Did everyone get a speeding ticket recently?

OGC, I think its just a different discipline. I tend to agree that it almost seems more of a test of load dev than anything else. Just not my cup of tea. 98% of the time if Im shooting my precision rifle, its off the deck using a bipod. But I prefer my shooting to be somewhat representative of shooting out and about and I dont carry a bench around with me

vj clearly not up on his looneytunes speak!

Anthony, I only spoon with non gay guys when in the field....

OK was I the only one that caught that the guy that won Army of One came out as gay at the end of the show?!?!?!?!?

hmmm ok I can get a case of lorcins for about $45 each. So I can make 30 a pop.... hmmmmm

Dogs are the secret weapon when you have kid considerations in the house. I have two dogs. They sleep on each side of my bed. One barks on sound, the other on sight and or sound where it clearly doesnt belong. About a month and a half ago someone tried to come in my front door rapidly at 2am. BOTH dogs bolted for the front door. This gave me enough time to retrieve the 1911 from the quick access safe (kids remember) and head for the front door. But two dogs going buck wild sent whomever it was hightailing their a** out of my AO! After action assessment, everything was in place and went as planned except for 1 thing. Dogs alerted timely, check , retrieval from safe, check, cell phone on nightstand, check, ok who took my damn flashlight to find the remote again!!!!! Need to finish that railed 1911 build so I can mount that surefire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

perception is the reality...... switchblades I think are a good example of this. What if I told you there is a simple compound out there that is readily available and is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people a year! It kills man woman and child indiscriminantly. Tell that to the lib left and the cries would be instantanious to ban it. But.... its hard to ban water.

NP OS Raz-0, the venue matters in terms of acceptable accuracy. The test target on my EMC is a .6 for 5 @ 100. That very good accuracy in most peoples book I think. BUT when Im running and gunning with it, I can tell you it aint getting fed FGMM as the tarets are all 10" or larger! It will get milsurp which should yield sub 2 moa accuracy which is perfectly acceptable in that invironment. However, consider that in a battle rifle invironment with ammo that is the limiting factor, this is very good accuracy. Some battle rifles are lucky to get 5moa! But here is where the rifle's attributes effectively assist in accuracy. One of the issues I had with my LMT MWS was simply its weight. Off hand shots at 100m were difficult because it was hard to hold up the weight which caused you to bob and weave more. If you were shooting on the move parralel to the target this was MUCH worse. I did not have this issue with my SCAR17. The weight diff between the two was around 3lbs! the lighetr rifle allowed for better accuracy. Now if you talk about a rifle capable of precision fire at 1k you are essentially talking about a different accuracy requirement and I submit that in this venue a rifle that isnt accurate isnt going to be very interesting. A firecracker and a rifle that cant hit anything are both just noise makers. On the topic of weight, weight is relative to what you are doing. Shooting an unlimited class bench gun free recoil in a sled, weight is probably good. Trying to come under a certain weight to be legal in F-Class, weight is bad. Running and gunning or shooting a sniper competition where your humping it all day, again weight is bad. So the accuracy of a rifle is relative to what type of shooting your doing with it and how intersting it is in that venue(shooter skill not withstanding). In your example of an FAL, I think you are mixing up expense and value. My FAL held roughly 1.5 moa and actually it was cheaper than any of my current rifles!!! My buddies is a bit of a mutant as his is under moa. Both are DSA FALS. BUT the difference im talking about is the cost difference to make an accurate FAL vs an accurate AR10. It is simply MUCH harder to make an FAL more accurate than it is an AR10. So is it worth the greater expense to make a FAL accurate when its probably half the price to achieve the same accuracy in an AR10 platform? If my AR10 didnt perform, I could likely get under 1 moa with a new barrel of quality manufacture. If I wanted to get the DSA under moa.... I dont even want to think about it! The AR10 is the better value. Scopes, Rifles etc etc, when you want all the features packed into 1 unit, I find it is usually expensive

If your not going to run QD then there is little reason to have the BUIS on there as you would need to break out the tools to pull off the scope to use the buis. I would pull off the buis and get a mount that was best for my natural point of aim. There are A LOT more options for non QD then there are QD. I run QD with BUIS so that if my optic goes TU, I can yank it and go irons quickly. When I had a dedicated scoped Semi, I had no irons on it at all.

Do you intend on running a QD mount?

Im speaking in terms of mechanical accuracy, not shooting technique. Personally I like to have equipment that exceeds my abilities, that way I always know its me

"only accurate guns are interesting" I would say this is true. But for me there is an adder. In the types of shooting I do, they must be reliable and durable as well. Finding the convergence of accurate, reliable and durable is what usually drives the prices up. When I consider what I own, none of my "working guns" lack accuracy. If they did, they would be out the door. But for me this is also true of reliability and durability. I dont shoot any disciplines where accuracy is the overwelming factor. Bench rest shooting, for example, heavily weighs accuracy over say field reliability. Theres nothing wrong with this, its just not one I participate in. If I were to collect guns then I suspect my criteria would be the history, rarity or uniqueness of the piece would be the interest, not its accuracy. But in the end I never discount the fact that sometime a simple unexplainable fondness for a firearm makes it interesting

Robarm makes a NJ compliant version. Not sure of 14.5, mine was a 16"

Happy Birthday gentlemen!!!!

I dont think that would make a difference. Easy to test if you have an AR. Take some printer paper, about a half inch worth. Lay it on your stock and see if you can get behind the sight. Im betting you will find it difficult to do. This of course would be the same as having sights that are a half inch lower. When I designed my Aimpoint mounts I played with these hights extensively. I can tell you that variations as little as 125 thousands of an inch make a considderable difference.

My guesses are that the sight radius was dictated by what Eugene felt was the optimal gas tube length. The hight is dictated by the fact that the barrel and reciever extension are all in line causing your cheek to naturally be higher than other weapons that are not in line such as the M14 it replaced.

My opinion is that since you are starting out, focus more on safety and learning than winning. Also, its been my experience that you can shoot whatever you want as long as you understand you will not be ranked if you are using something outside the rules. I dont know if the club you went to is super strict or something, which is possible, but the places I have shot IDPA at were easy going in this regard. I have seen many shooting disqualified pistols. Also I believe that the duty belt is not restricted to LE only, if you perform in some sort of security function, that qualifies as well.

I bet those two would sound like Indy side by side!!!

And supply excellent rings with that glass per the contract