Shane45

I just got word. It will probably become mainstream news soon that Schmidt and Bender was awarded the PSR contract for their rifle scope. Congrats to them!!!

I think Im going to side with Vlad, I think there may some question to the functionality/quality of the red dot in question.

Its gotta match my Hayabusa!

I see. The bunker guy had an FAL slung over his shoulder. The farm folk had an armory more or less and the other families had basic pistols. The one guy on tha farm said it well basically stating that what you have should be equally balenced with the means to keep it Ray good thinking, Ill get one all ghetto tagged since Im sure to flee to newerk! LOL

Alec, are you sure we watched the same show. The common denominator between all the preppers is that they were all armed and 2 of the groups where shown doing shooting practice and training. I dont think that family one has wated anything at all. They stated that they like this life style and i actually think it was rather interesting. Im sure they are quite healthy! With that being said I think they would quickly become have nots by force. I think anyone without a rifle is ill equiped. The farm and te bunker were impressive for sure. I would love to turn a getaway into an insurance policy. I think its great. But something I have said on the topic in the past is the concern for a disaster that would require you to be nomadic!. So Im buying an armored car! .

Forget what the irons are doing. Line up the dot on the target at about 50meters. Then move your head left or right without touching your rifle.

Jack, you are doing what so many should do, experiment and see! I appluad the efforts. The mechanical offset conversation is one I have more with LE folk, this is true, but an understanding of the principle and apllication is important to understand. Yeah, this is an out there scenario but its the kind that would be affected. Shaky crack head has a knife to your wifes throat and is telling you if you dont give him the Green Lantern ring in 5 seconds he is going to do her. Understanding that mechanical offset can possibly mean the difference of a throat shot that will possibly lack the instant issue ending properties of a cns/apricot shot you could get by taking the offset into account. "The thing is, Red Dots are not some magical follow the target sight, they have perks and flaws and you need to use them with in there limits just like any other sight or scope" I have yet to find this principle not apply to anything in the shooting sports from top to bottom, left to right. I believe that just about everything is a compromise one way or another.

Along with the BP revolcers I have also been given a BP rifle. And like the revolvers I have never shot it. It does look like fun though.

FAAAAAR less. Muzzle energy of 50 ae is around 1400ft/lbs, 50 bmg is around 15,000. 338LM is around 5000.

Jack, its not ment to be perfect, its meant to be fast with acceptable accuracy. It works, as you point out, because of the concave glass. The accuracy of that bend directly correlates to the accracy of the poa/poi. In fact if the bend is really off, like a whole bunch of Eotechs that got recalled, the holograph will dissappear when moved off center. I think your test is flawed. You have to find out what the parallax free distance is designed into the sight you are testing and perform the test at that distance. Its probably 50 meters for the eotech. It will be off a margin of error the closer in you move but still within combat accuracy. Of course this opens the other can of worms of mechanical offset based on the distance you zeroed the weapon.

Jeff, I think whats tripping you up is that you are assuming the dot has to be in the middle to be accuracte. It s not the case (in a quality red dot optic) If the dot is on your target, even if it is not in the center, it will hit whatever the dot is on.

There are many on this board far more experienced than me that can offer you good starter setup advice.

Makes me miss my 338 and my 50

Parker, thanks for the pics and links. That second pic is what I was visualising as the result, a change in the intersects. One other advantage I can think of for lower rings is to lessen the impact of accidental rifle cant. I know the bench rest crowd likes high rings but that is because they are trying to not touch their rifles at all shooting free recoil style. Not my cup of tea

Ive Chatted with the "Sawman" before. He is a good guy. I found him to have an interesting view on things. For those that dont recognise the name, he has been on Discovery Channel a number of times. Thanks for the link! I cant help but come away from the article feeling like he got his butt handed to him at a competition somewhere LOL. As for his 1911 comments, he might want to talk to Larry Vickers whos torture testing yeilded a different result than Sawman's suppositions. Larry found that the tight tolerances actually helped keep the 1911 running where the Glock and Berretta, IIRC failed.

Maybe Im the slow kid in class. Im having a hard time visualising how the hight over bore has an effect on rate of change for POI. I admit to not really thinking about it before because frankly I only consider two things for ring hight, clearing the front bell and NPA. If I get a chance Ill go change my hight over bore in my ballistics software and see what it does to my tables.

Natural Point of Aim. You ideally want to get in position behind the rifle with your eyes closed and be able to open your eyes and have the scope right where it should be without having to adjust where you are on the rifle naturally.

"The higher the scope is over the barrel, the more clicks you need to get on target." How so? Those rings do look very high. It all depends where your NPA is with that setup. Not familier with that stock, does it have an adjustable cheek piece? Personally I do not recomend TPS rings. I believe there are many ring makers making better quality for even money.

s8n, yes it does work in ratio like that BUT to what end. Here is why I dont really track the usefullness. 7X theoretically will give you the magnification to take a shot out to 800 yards roughly. Well.... a)3 or 4 moa dot is simply waaay to course in my opinion for that range shot unless your shooting a vehicle. b) its a red dot so you have nothing to judge holdover at that range so accuracy will be sorely lacking. c)If you apply it at closer range, say 200 yds Im betting you have seriously constricted your FOV. If the objective is target ID, well I'd rather have a pair of Bino's instead of something weighing my rifle down. If you look at something like the new S&B 1.1X8 you will find that the dot shuts off and switches to a reticle once you start adding magnification.

Scrap, you need to put yourself in check and right quick. My posts are unedited, please indicate where tha attitude is? please show me where I bashed primary arms? I made a statement that I didnt really see the application for going from no magnification to 7X. You said it made sense to you. I asked what the application was, what was I overlooking? This is called a conversation. In essance Im asking you to pursuade me of the merits of 7X magnification. It really has nothing to do with primary arms. Im asking about the use. Since you want to discuss your purchase attemps publicaly. If your still upset you couldnt afford the deal I offered, I dont know what to say about that. I sold out. It was an excellent deal. But those that are in business understand that you simply cant sell items for less than you pay for them. Your offers were below cost. You can laugh all you want. The R1 and the T1 are not the same thing. If the R1 meets your needs, thats great. I didnt have any R1's to sell because those we sell to require night vision capability so we never order R1's. Scrap, your simply out of line for attacking me, but you have shown your true colors and I too am thankfull that you did not buy from me.

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I actually have several that I have inherited but I havent fired a single one of them.

Scrap, enlighten us nonbelievers. Tell us how it makes sense. Im wondering what Im overlooking?

Im not sure I can wrap my head around the application of 0 to 7x....