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During the height of The Scare/ The Price Raising, I had thought to sit it out, I was pretty good all around, then I realized * IT WAS NUTS* , everything was selling n getting more expensive every day... My situation involves "family calibers" and we try to maintain use for several things in several ways, one of our "family calibers" is 7.62x39... and I saw a Mini Thirty on here that peaked my interest... I considered it with the intent on putting it in an ATI? or actually I think TAPCO stock, which has an AR Stock, a pistol grip, and a forward cluster rail... My idea was, in my head, I was going to make an M1A/SOCOM 16 style Scout/CQB rifle... changing the stock and pistol grip to Magpuls, adding an AFG and some XTM panels, and an Aimpoint or EOTech up front... was a really sweet idea... But imho the Ruger Mini Thirty is a really unique thing, it's expensive, not cheap, it doesn't shoot AK ammo nor handle like an AK, not exactly the most common or popular so not so many options, and again, not cheap... So I changed my mind just as someone spent big money on the one I had fancied, so I said, good, I didn't want it. it's probably a great rifle but it's so much money for , I am not sure what. For that much you can get an Arsenal Russian SGL/ Bulgarian AK, or even a decked out VEPR... And that is what I'm talking about.

I was going to recommend Euro Optic too. Several things, I just dealt with them and they are amazing. I just made a 4 figure purchase and believe you me I did a ton of back and forth of what-who-where etc. and when I dealt with them, at the jump it was perfect. Very nice very good stuff and good prices. I got a new stock from them , was great. I first dealt with them in like late March or early April. I had decide on a AICS Stock for my 700 (having already decided on a HS Precision M24, a McMillian HTG M40, a B&C Tac/Varm, THEN the AICS) but NO ONE Had them. I called AICS Corporate and struck up a nice convo, the guy said, just call Euro Optic, they'll sell you one ( They didn't have them either, no one and I mean no one had what I wanted.) When the came back in stock I had changed my mind, finally decided to pull a trigger on a different one today, and its coming tomorrow. Bec. Montoursville is close enough to Jersey, FedEx Ground is doing it overnight, even tho it's just their cheapest serv. AND they deliver on Saturday, AND Euro Optic offers free shipping over $500 (and almost all their stuff is easy over 500 lol). I am happy with my optic, I could have bought a $1500-2000 one in the fall, I chose not to, and gave my father an amazing Christmas present of a S12/17 magazines/ammo/etc. Bought me a value optic I guess. BUT MAYBE, someday I decide to stp itup, I'd go to Euro Optic... Heck maybe even drive out there to see it, it's not CLOSE but you hav e a point, $2500+ you might want to test it, see if you like the reticle/look/etc. Anyway, Big big recommend for Euro Optic.

I would seriously consider just shopping around your local Big Boi sporting goods store for a distributors special combo package- I am anti 10/22 so not only don't I have one I just don't know their pricing- but I say buy a new combo... Both Remington and Savage have awesome to amazingly awesome rifles w/ scopes for like $200 new. Remington's the 597, which was built purposely to go right at the 10/22. I know the 10/22 kills it in sales and everyone will say its better, that's fine, I will say mine has been amazingly awesome and it's really cool. Plus for example, at my Dick's Sporting Goods I think the base model is still $200 or so for the Dick's OD Green stock 597 w/ cheap Remington scope, ... and there is an upgraded similiar but Heavy Barrel model for $269.99 w/ scope. {My Dad and I were just there and he liked the look of it so much he almost bought it on the spot but the 'lodge manager' of our local DSG in Fairless Hills is not such a nice or friendly dude to us so we bounced } Savage also has similar- Their semi-auto rimfire is not as well known/famous and I cannot remember the model name and number but they have a very well respected Bolt action rimfire .22LR series for $2-$600+ I believe. Very very nice. Anyway Unless you need the newest/neatest model from the getgo check out a Dick's or even online I think you can find a combo package decently priced even a 10/22 ...no need to buy used in this case IMHO.

Actually yup I am liking them. I am in the process of most likely moving to 30 acres or so in Florida the family just got... I was all set to go then life happens and you start second guessing and such etc. BUT anyway- I had fully intended to pick up one of these and add an Aimpoint ... I have a 700 in .308 for precision work but the Hog Hunter seems *extremely handy* and also quite affordable. And I like the fact it's not only "in the family" as far as caliber (retaining a common caliber the family already stocks) but also, while I understand .308 is NOT .30-06 or .300 Win Mag., the fact of the matter is a .308 will stop *just about anything* East of the Mississippi and with the exception of a bear attack or big game hunting it's an extremely useful and mutlifacted round. I was also thinking about picking up the Savage Scout in 7.62x39 (which is my other 'family caliber' for long guns) and adding another said Aimpoint... between the two you could defend the ranch of just about anything.

Just FMI, you're getting the bbl threaded by a gunsmith so it can accept the compensator?

I have not seen this but with the absolute and total exception of Remington rimfire ammo (which I cannot abide, I will not use or purchase or even take for free, If you gave me i'd sell it immediately, any Remington rimfire ammo) I have had nothing but success with Remington ammos. I have used basic, intermediate, and some but not all higher end Remington rounds and they always did okay. When I look at the link you provide it says Sorry not available anymore so I can't see the price but I'd suspect it's decent ammo for the price.

This is such a hard topic to answer. So I will give the in depth thoughtful and articulate answers I know everyone loves. On one hand I'd most likely KEEP the longest / get rid of the last my Glock 23. It was my first purchase, it was extremely signifcantly to me because of my father's history of Glock and procuring for his police department ( which was one of the first in NJ and the first in the geographical area) and he was the guy the Chief assigned to go through the testing/research process and make decisions on the final choice(s) etc. We always have been a GLock family and buying a Glock 23 like my father carried (most of the latter part of his career) was very special to me. As a binary and tertiary benefits, it's a great gun and extremely reliable and - having a handgun of this size, this caliber , and this brand/design etc. is almost the perfect choice for having only one handgun or one firearm. So I'd keep it. The rest of my stuff, I could make an argument on each one I feel like. I love everything I've got and I hate the two or three I have sold. I didn't sell them because I wanted to, each of the (three?) things I sold were basically mini-emergencies. My Mossberg 930 SPX is extremely special to me. I was basically the first one to get one and for a while was the only one, because I was "extremely lucky" to be sold one [long story that has been told before etc]. There was a lot of compliments, envy, offers, etc. back in early 2010 for a good year or two. And it happens to be an AWESOME firearm... Feels and points about better than anything, DEAD NUTS RELIABLE , never one single malfunction or problem, accurate and fun and easy to shoot. So I'd never want to get rid of it lest it was extremely extremely NECESSARY.... My 15-22 is my 'favorite' firearm in that it gets about the most attention for me...I spent a LOT of time and effort [and money] on it, it was the first firearm I put effort into accessorizing and modifying and it paid off. And it fits me PERFECTLY, Feels so perfect in my arms and slung on me, shoots like a dream, never a problem, as above, would NEVER get rid unless it was an absolute financial emergency. The rest of my things I could make similar arguments... My Savage Mark II is extremely classy-beautiful and so awesome for so little money... my 597 was my Phoenix Program project, was absolutely disappointing and borderline broke/non-functioning until I spent some time and effort gving it TLC.... Now it's a dream and a trusted SHTF survival & preparedness implement and battle tool if necessary. Then I could just keep going ... pretty much each thing I own I could do this for. And that is not even including my old man's stuff that I love, the ones I grew up on, and the relics from my grand-and-great-grandfather, or my father's early career stuff, which are priceless family relics to me.. Hard to quantify or classify them. I'd say my Glock would be the last thing I parted with if I was forced to answer the question, mostly for practical reasons, but

I cannot and I mean absolutely cannot stress the significance and success the Volquartsen Extractor and Hammer make to the rifle. Before the VQ parts, my 597 was borderline non functional (I'm sure others would have sent it immediately back to Remington, I was brand new to buying my own guns, it was my first long rifle, I was simply extremely disappointed and bought two more .22LRs to hold my interest)... Finally I took the plunge to spend some time and spend some money on the 597...the VQ parts *CHANGED VERYTHING*. Now my 597 is a certifiable contender ... it is a badass rifle and I would absolutely show it off to the 10/22 crowd. I know there is a ton of 10/22 mods and not a lot for the 597 but my 597 is pretty cool. And the VQ parts really show how a helluva rifle it can be.

I hadn't seen this, looks very nice!! I have been interested in the 7.62x39mm (or possibly interested in a .308 version) of the ARX-160, that I read there was supposed to be real possibility of the 7.62x39mm model coming here ... I didn't know they had a .22LR one! I like , makes me want to make an effort to save for one!

I actually really really like this.... Give me one of these and a few hundred to customize it and Magpul it on up, it would be awesome awesome and I think damned decent rifles.

CURIOUs to know your exact plans for that... I have long considered a bbl upgrade... Volquartsen makes a few (tons? no .. a few? yep) 597 barrels which are *EXTREMELY* high quality. Adding one would *REALLY* set my rifle into the top rimfire -rifle-for-regular-guy-tier... but the problem is I like the $500 one not the ~ $200 as much so... PLUS, with that $500 rifle, I'm basically obligated to upgrade the stock.. and installation. Lets say $500 for for a VQ bbl ... its $100 for a Boyd's Stock, $200 got a Stocky's, $300 for a (very basic looking) Volquartsen stock...so lets just say I went all VQ. .. $500 + 300 and lets just make it$200 for full installation...i think 100 is more likely but you have come this far, lets throw in another 100 for any expenses, ie full bedding, maybe some studs fore and aft, etc. Every time I get the bbl urge for my 597 i come to this same exact scenario and then my brain hurts and I stop lol.

Yeah but thanks for your concern. There are more than 30 Remington 700s listed on their website right now. This rifle looks a lot like the Remington 700 AAC-SD I have bought fairly recently, but I notice he has a crowned barrel and I have a threaded barrel, so I am pretty sure he doesn't have an AAC-SD. yet the next most likely rifle does not come with that stock, which is why I asked what rifle he had. I was operating under the impression the gentleman would know what I meant and simply say the model he had of 700. But thanks again.

What rifle do you have? I couldn't find it mentioned sorry.

Lol, OP, awesome awesome get. Congrats and enjoy, I came close in November, on Election Day I went to buy me a new toy, it was either premium AK or scoped tactical bolt action. Having a Zastava in the family but no long range/precision capability, I went bolt action tactical rifle. A month later was Newtown, lol. I would have also most likely went Arsenal, I was debating between Arsenal Saiga/Bulgarians or what I really REALLY liked, Atlantic Fireamrs had a pair of $1100/each Vepr rifles... One was a fully Blacktical tactiical , One was a BEAUTIFUL bright red stock/forend. MAN they were sweet. I *REALLY * wanted to get both Veprs lol. Ended up with a Remington 700 .308 AAC-SD , Nikon Monarch 5-20x44 SF BDC, Harris S-BRM, etc. Still, wanted that AK and yours is a damned decent one. Polak trying to steal your thunder lol. not very nice!!! ;p

Again, best of the rest of value brands. Excellent people, excellent reputation and products, they get the best 'cheaper stuff' to offer high values... The lights, red dots, scopes, etc. are definitely not the Aimpoint/Streamlight/Nikons but they're highest quality of any 'cheap stuff' or Chinese made optics (I think a lot of their stuff IS In fact Chinese made but the gentleman explained to me on the phone, they insist on their suppliers meeting standards and certain quality points etc). I am really really into flashlights, kind of one of my dorky quirks for survival, preparedness, tactical technique etc. And I have a bunch of stuff, I sell out to Streamlight, have a bunch, amazing stuff. IF IT WAS NOT Going to be a Streamlight, and I needed something less expensive, the PA site would be the first place I went, and would buy one of their offering.

Curious Maks, is this "CCI Standard Velocity" or some random off brand 'Standard Velocity' --- basically, a couple-a-few months back I stopped at Sportsmans Center just above CMO, occassionally I will stop at Sportsman's and treat myself to a new magazine, they usually have (an overpriced) Remington 597, Savage Mark II, or Glock 9mm/.40 magazine I will treat myself to despite it being expensive. I asked about Ammo, they had no .308 for MONTHS except ONE BOX of $59.99 super premium hunting ammo, no .22 etc. They said, actually the owner lady, "Sure I got Standard Velocity , $5 a box of 50. " I saw a bunch of CCI hard plastic boxes, and I go, oh yeah lemme get a bunch, arent they boxes of 100 though? Shes like, That's not it... I said, Oh, well, I'd like it anyway then, I prefer CCI. "That's not the right ammo you want..." and I'm like, it's CCI .22 right? And I got a snappy, ITS NOT LONG RIFLE, Do you understand what that means? I kind of chuckle and I'm like, okay anyway i don't want to argue with you, what is available and how many can I get? I was allowed like 4 boxes of this 'Standard Velocity" which was NOT CCI Standard Velocity, it was something I never had heard of, white boxes of 50, (Now that I think back, it's ARMSCOR, which is $2.39 from MidwayUSA, $5 from Sportsmans). Just curious. CCI is one of my favorite absolute favorite brand, so I'd probably pay more for them than anyone else.

If you were referring to me and my response, it was my pleasure and happy to hopefully help you. Very nice little optic, and very nice price, and DEFINITELY The best of the $100 scopes, Cheap scopes perform just as they sound, Cheap. I bought two NcStar red dot type sights in 2010... And I then bought two MORE Red Dot sights a few months later, because both broke. Lesson learned. NOT EVERYONE Can afford a $400 Aimpoint PRO, or an EOTech 512 (its the cheapest and also the lowest ranking EOTech) nor a $500 fiber optic & Tritium Mepro M21 or Trijicon Reflex (VERY Nice sights).... BUT IF YOU CAN SQUEEZE THE CASH, Do it , because you have a Decade or more of use AT LEAST< rather than a cheap sight for a short period of time that you get limited use for a limited time and then spend more of your limited money.

Buy Once Cry Once, ESPECIALLY When it comes to optics, Where there is In Fact, a HIGH rate of breaking/failing in cheap /cheaper/ cheapest products AND you really can see the quality when you finally do get to the top-of-the-line or should I just say, High Quality optics.... However, Primary Arms is the generally-regarded-best-of-the-rest when it comes to value optics And especially their micro-dot line is universally regarded. If I did not have Aimpoint Micros I would use Primary Arms. My ONE thing I'd be worried about is recoil on a 12 gauge ( I use Aimpoints on my combat shotguns ) but its generally accepted that it's all good, they hold up. You could do a LOT worse than Primary Arms and their people are probably the nicest to deal with, I have spent 30 mins on the phone with them at MORE than once occasion just rappin back and forth about stuff. Having said all that, Aimpoint and or EOTech (And of course Trijicon/Meprolight etc. ) are among the best and you'd love them but hey, they're $400 minimum to $650, not $100.

I didn't realize this was AutoMatch, at first I thought, Federal Bulk Value for $16.99/ 325 i not great but what the heck, hard to find, I just got so excited I was going to order 20 boxes, and of course, Out Of Stock. This stuff CAME OUT THE GATE Being priced $14.49 / 325rd @ my PA Walmart in late 2010 I think, could have been 2011... But went sky high after. I have a few boxes, I had probably 10-15 boxes of this stored and slowly peeled off 1 box at a time for the range (Its something that my 597, Mark II, and 15-22 all love and shoot accurately)... But of course, now I can find it, Out Of Stock.

It's funny I typed out a large long explanation yesterday, including a pointed few lines that I have endured more than a few people 'making fun' of using an Aimpoint on my combat shotgun(s) and using ghost ring sights standard. I tried to go back and forth in the beginning then I gave up once I realized, a lot of the people telling me how bad optics were and how great and only great their bead is, Actually have no experience with an optic/red dot-reflex sight on a combat shotgun NOR do they even have high quality optics , never having used things like the $500 and up Aimpoint Micro / EOTech XPS/EXPS lines. Some do use decent optics on their ARs but never on shotguns and somehow thing it makes them smart enough or experienced enough to comment and criticize those that do. I deleted it not wanting to rehash old discussions nor bring back up old arguments, then I saw this. It's amazing to me those that will say things in a negative light that either don't know or don't care to gain valuable experience in the subject they criticize. The first time I installed an Aimpoint on my M930SPX I thought, this looks and feels REALLY good... Points awesome to begin with, Now it's feeling downright scary good.....Then I tried it out, And wow. Just wow. It was *amazing* how quickly I coud pick up the target, from point blank down to 25 yds (the max at the indoor range I often frequent) and even MORE amazing how quickly I could get round after round of 00 Buck on target, on the kill zone/ accurate shot placement and pattern, Each and Every Time, Round after Round, Full magazine after Full magazine, repeatedly. It did not take me long to realize I had found a good thing, and a great system for me. Now I would NEVER tell you not to use your bead or whatever you want to do. There is something called "[baby] duck syndrome" and it's a psychology term that relates from everything to nature and wild animals to computer programing and handwriting. Basically, whatever system and setup you learn first and most in a given situation is what you will wind up constantly going back to, as your comfort level keeps bringing you back, when in a more advanced or aged situation in that task. it's why me at 32 years old still likes to fire up the Command prompt in Windows because I was a certified expert @ MS DOS at the age of 13, and when I moved on to Borland and C/C++, I just never liked it as much, because I imprinted on DOS, and whenever I got into advanced C/C++ [and damned Visual BASIC/etc.] in junior/senior years of HS, I always wanted to revert back to DOS, like a duckling falling in line and following Mama Duck whenever it gets lost or scared etc, it just goes with what it knows most and best. So people will bash the sighting and optic systems on Shotguns because they learned the bead, then got comfortable with the bead, and as is Epidemic on the internet, the see other people bashing things like red dot / reflex sights on combat shotguns and think, I should say that too, The Others say its bad and laughable to I will laugh. In fact its laughable that people bash it. Especially because, *I KNOW* I'm awesome with a red dot (and most likely an EOTech/Trijicon Reflex type too, I just don't have one) on my M930SPX and 870 Tactical... Other people might be great at shooting skeet and trap and clays, I am not really. But I'm damned good at using the shotgun in a tactical setting drill and the red dot makes it scary fast/accurate. I just cannot fathom how it can be bashed when it gives such an advantage at speed and shot placement. And finally, even if YOU or Yours don't like it or shoot well with it, why in the heck would it matter that someone else likes it? It is just so ridiculous that in 2013 we are still insinuating that everyone should be shooting and equipping their firearms the way we say so, because we did it the way we read other people said and did, and so on . Amazing. Do what you feel, shoot what you like and how you like, unless something IS NOT working for you , do your thing. Make your adjustments the way you need to, if and when you need to. It's 2013, We have not just seen the first sighting system on shotguns, it's pretty much a pretty common and accepted thing these days, And NOT Something that gets laughed at for cause.

MAN That is nice!!!! I really admire it and also have wanted on for a while... I remember seeing one for almost $3000 and one night I guess I was caffeinated and sugared all up and was feeling good and considered it... but didn't... BUT hot damned if it's not a beautiful piece of firearm technology and who better than Sako right? Beautiful man, I don't often lust after other peoples stuff cause I'm pretty happy with my own stuff but, I firmly believe in giving credit where credit is due and you sure as sugar deserve some credit for this bad mama jama.

LOL. Good luck it wasnt that hard, I just gave myself plenty of time and a good table worth of space to work with, set my laptop up for opening reference websites/videos, got my tools I needed, and took my time and carefully did all at once. If you need a hand please feel free to let me know. I will give you a good discount off my normal rates

Sorry I am a week + late on this, just coming on for the first time since. ] I do not have [any?] Fiocchi rimfire ammo in my stores, that I know of at the moment, off the top of my head, BUT- I do have a decent amount of Fiocchi shotgun ammo and have bought it since 2010 and its great prices and great stuff. Basically the best value for dollar in 00 Buck and Rifle Slugs you can get IMHO. I have noticed Fiocchi having the new circular boxes of .22LR and if their rimfire is as good as their shotgun ammo and in the same price quality , I could say it'll be amazing. I have always loved Fiocchi and would not have a problem buying any of their ammos even without testing.

The Jersey Buyers Club....... Hmmm.......

Yeah man I started lusting on these bad boys when I was looking for an AICS stock about 1-1.5 months ago. Couldn't find what I wanted and I KNEW if I waited I would spend the money elsewhere which I did. Really amazing really. Something I will never have but will always admire. (I think I personally would maybe go Sako TRG if I went the purchase-an-exotic-rifle-route but I am not an expert on the particulars of comparison between the two, I just have ALWAYS liked the Sako TRG's ... looks like Surgeons are more money but I still like Sako for some reason.)