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You know I typed out a large post of several paragraphs, but it might have been too inflammatory. Let me just say this. I know I am not very popular on here, and alot of people don't like me and frankly can be not nice. It never bothered me for several reasons... 1) It's the internet.. .not real life. It's the internet. 2) You know, in certain situations, you just gotta say Hey bud, if I don't mind it don't matter, I am who I am ,etc.. 3) I am really not like the way I am portrayed at all, it frankly makes me laugh. I guess by choosing to type a certain way people assume you speak a language different from them linguistically and you are therefore a punk, and also uneducated. Whereas I am actually not like that at all, its just the internet, and I think I beat, 94? % of the country on the old old SAT Verbal and was an English minor, I speak totally different than I type and I probably appear differnet as well, but whatever, it's just the internet. I have met a bunch of people in life that are forum members/ occasional viewers/posters/ just one and a while etc. and a lot have said , Oh you are nothing like what Ithought or even better, you are nothing like what a few other guys had said about you, LOL. Which makes me laugh. Even like PK90 and Maksim who both have done favors for me were extremely nice in person when you meet, because again I think they are smart enough to see how real life is not the same as the internet, I post this because, when I said something about the terrible treatment at CMO a year and a half ago, a few people on here said it was most likely my fault and insinuated/down right said, "Well look and listen to yourself, no one likes you here, so what do you expect" or "Maybe if you changed , the result would be different etc" and I have to try to convince you, that could not be further from the truth, I am telling you I am or was there nothing but polite respectful and cordial while wearing conservative dress and using proper, polite language. these people were all or vast majority out of line, rude, and condescending/disrespectful not just to me but to others, and I have given no reason other than just not liking the way I look . (I am almost 32 but I am short and thin, and not particularly good looking. What can I do about those three things, not really that much, I guess I could go back to pumping iron . Been there, done that, got old.) So when a lot of people have the same complaints or people msg me, tell me in person, THE SAME EXACT STORIES and even sometimes use the SAME WORDS they got spoken to that I was spoken to as well with, it can't be all just me. And it's been widespread, I have met people at the range across the river in PA, RAFire, (which is very convenient to me compared to other ranges, not the best but time is money and convenience is extremely important to me) have said the same things, I've met people at Dick's Sporting Goods in both PA and Jersey, the workers of Dicks have said the same thing , their customers come and tell them the stories I have said. AND why o why would I support the local shop when they outright tell me, I don't need your business I have plenty and you are just annoying so I'd rather take someone elses time and money. When you are putting up with that, Plus the fact Dick's is generally cheaper. (Now I am not saying Dick's is the solution to all the firearms needs in the world but just sayin.) It just amazes me that they get like this, as I surmise was like during the 2008 and 2009 situations, and by 2010 the internet was selling off guns at huge discounts, 2011 AR-15's were being given away, I was picked on for having bought a Bushmaster when Colt, BCM, Daniel Defense, and such were handing out rifles at prices so cheap people were eating them up like chicken chow mein... And tht might just happen again, and they might be needing the business in time..might not be next month, or next 6 months, or a year from now... But there comes a time , your attitude comes full circle. At least that's how I see it And let me be perfectly clear: Are there nice, good people there? I am sure there is. The gunsmith is genuinely a nice guy and helpful to me and I had planned on having him install my scope for my new .308 700 AAC-SD, like he did the base and rings. Now, absolutely no way I am going to drop $1000-$1500 on the scope and $500-700 on the EOTech/Aimpoint I need for the Saiga 12.... not a chance, I am not sure I'll go in there again, after the guy totally embarrassed me and disrespected me on Tuesday when he denied me the rebate they already promised to give me (AS PER THE AD, you know, it wasn't like i asked for a free 25 bucks) I wouldn't want to walk in the door without an apology. And seeing as I doubt that is forthcoming, I will just spend my time telling everyone how they treat me and even my Dad and how I am not the only one who feels this way, a crowd of customers in their own store waiting for help felt the same way, just like here. Will my efforts do a blessed thing? Most likely not in the least. But hey, it just might, and you never know how one lost sale can change the course of your business.

Bump - For question. I had wanted to also get a red dot sight. The Saiga 12 comes with the side mounted scope mount on the left receiver side. What would be my options, get a scope mount that connected to that, covered over the top cover and mounted the Aimpoint or EOTech there, .... Or if and when I do a quad rail replacing the handguard, mount it there right? What I really want to end up with is a quad rail, I guess it would replace the handguard and its a 3 sided bottom piece and one top piece. Then I guess most people are putting Aimpoint Micro's up there, which I love.. .But I might go EOTech for diversity, or what I'd love to do is just get a $400 Aimpoint Pro. But I would need some sort of different mount to bring the Aimpoint Pro down low, I am not sure if that is possible. The Aimpoint Micro seems custom tailored to that application w/ the factory mount, and most likely an EOTech EXPS type would be too. I personally like the idea of my red dots/holo's etc. to be mounted closer to my eye in the back, but not if its just wrong to do it that way or all scope mounts involving the mount would suck. The last option is that thing I see called "a dog leg mount", I had looked at it when I was thinking of buying a Krebs Custom AK-103K and a 7.62x39mm ACOG.. but the mount is over $300 itself, and then another $1500 ish for the ACOG, that is just redonkulous (oh yeah,and $1300 for the rifle..) So I am lienient to spend $300 bucks on just a damned mount, just doesn't seem normal to me.

Hey is this the Hydra Shot, 135 gr hard plastic smaller container, I believe it says "Federal Hydra-Shok Personal Protection / Premium" 135 gr .40 S&W? I bought a box of this just two or three weeks ago at Walmart because I had not a lot of premium .40's in my collection, my portfolio had like only 5 boxes of Speer Gold Dots, 3 or so of the 100rd Value Pack Remington UMC .180 gr JHP (like bulk ammo but in hollow points, halface'd attempt at personal protection ammo... I keep this because it was one of the cheaper ammo solutions in .40 one time at Walmart and even though its not really high quality ammo it would probably be awesome in SHTF barter situation, someone who needs .40 S&W would think I'm really giving them a huge ammo boost with a 100pk of Remington JHPs...) .. so I wanted to shoot all the ammo in my 8 or so G23/22 magazines, empty the speer gold dots and Federal gov't contract ammo (basically the same thing as this Hydra Shock to be honest) and pack them with new fresh ammo.. So I did a box of the HydraShok's here to give me one magazine full of super duper and expensive... but it was almost $30, maybe $27.99 at the Walmart.. so $20 is not a bad price! the real steal is to go to SGAmmo and order some of their .40 S&W Gov't over-runs/cancellation ammo..they have a Federal HST .40 that the gov't of like California cancelled for maybe DeptCor or something, they have a surplus Federal? or Winchester? that the gov't had contracted for possibility of say 1 billion rds and only took half, and they also have Winchester PDX-1 (The FBI duty round ) in a generic box, all at steal prices.

they are so terrible to me all the time. Look, I look young. GET OVER IT, I am almost 32. I know I am short and I look young. MOVE THE ᰼ On. That doesn't give you the right to discriminate against me or be rude to me, OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, I always think it will change with thme but it doesn't. On Tuesday the guys got extremely rude again when I picked up my Saiga from Saturday's NICS meltdown . They refused to give me the 25 dollar credit they said they would on Saturday. Basically, I got an ad they had been sending, came in and bought a Remington 700 AAC-SD they ahd in the ad, didn't get the discount... Because they had said it wasn't active yet, the ad was not in effect. I said, are you really going to make me come back in a few days later, No they said its okay no problem. In the heat of the sale they did not give it to me. 4 days later I Came back from buying th Rem 700 to buy a Saiga 12, and they said, hey we can credit you the 25 on this sale. (the kid helping me cleared it with the owner.). When I had to wait because NICS shut down on Saturday and come back on Tuesday, I mentioned near sale time, you guys were going to give me the 25 credit (and you had printed me the Rebate forms because I bought a Rem 700 4 days ago and a 870 two weeks ago [from Dicks])... the guy flips and is like I HAVE NO INFO ON THAT SORRY, and asks this guy near there Rocky. Rocky makes sure to completyely embarrss me by raising his voice and letting everyone in the store know I had ap roblem then called me a Liar, because he demands to know who "supposedly said this to you" I tell him ,. i believe the kids name is Andrew... and he said, ANDREW is not the boss!! I said yeah he went into the back to ask someone , he said the owner said no problem ,this guy rocky yells I AM THE OWNER AND I HAVE NEVER EVEN HEARD OF THIS, How do I even know you bought a 700???? I am like, you don't remember me buying it 4 days ago?? Of course not we sell so many rifles I would not remember!!! I am now laughingm and probably beat red, I said, Oh you don't remember coming over to help[ with scopes, when I told the guy helping me I did not want the $500 Nikon Monarch I was thinking about the $1000-$1300 Leupold VX3 / VX3L ... And suddently you come over to interruptand give your opinions on what I should buy... So you don't remember that either.. he says, real sarcastically, "Yeah I remember your face and your voice, Obviously THAT would be hard to forget, but I have no idea if you've ever bought anything here before....." And that just got to me, because now there is a crowd looking and wondering what the problem is and I just could not keep arguing... And all the while the owner guy Fred is in the other room , could have just gone and ASKED the guy, but rather call me a liar and call me out in front of all the customers... then the two workers have a private conference as if to decice whether they will still let me buy the Saiga 12, I mean I am not sure, can they even do that? I am sure they can, because they can ,most likely do whatever they want, I am not an idiot in that regard, they could prob just say too bad get out... But because they didn't know something and all I did was politely ask about A FREAKING MEASLY $25 rebate I was entitled to, and previously agreed to, he makes me out to be a bum and hollars at me etc. and I came close to explaining , the only person in th world who speaks to me like that is my father, and you ain't him. It further enhances my point that CMO is terrible, clearly I will not be buying the $1000 Leupold for my Remington 700 and $500-750? EOTech I wanted to put on the Saiga 12. I am no top of the line customer from their but lets see, I've bought a 15-22, two PAPs, a Rem 700, and now a Saiga 12, always with full compliments of accessories and cleaninjg products and ammos etc, and twice did not get what I wanted but tried because two times I Came in to buy something on NICS Holdays and the one time, they sold the Benelli Supernova Tactical in Jan/Feb the next day earlier than I got into the store , and then some other holiday I was going to buy a M590A1 but was another stupid holiday and it wasn't available anymore. So I know they dont NEED my business (they have said it before) but really I am not that bad, I just don't like blatant disrespect and rudeness. (Like when they answered my fathers questions last friday night about rhe Saiga 12 with "I dunno man. Its whatever. " TWICE.). never again will I go to CMO, and I will let everyone in the world I can know how they act. Will that do anything? Probably not. But That wont stop me.

Not sure if this has been posted, but what I am going to do for my M930SPX, is something I saw advertised a year + ago, it's called a Beam Lokr ... (Like beam of light, Locker, as its a locker of place device) it has a small body that attaches to the shotgun generally onto the magazine tube, via magnets... and then you just attach into it a flashlight of your choice. IT was built around the $5 cheapo LED flashlights you see at Home Depot or Target/Walmart *AND*/OR* the good Surefire or in my case I'm a Streamlight guy.. it attaches perfectly and holds it securely, and you just activate the light when you need it. IF you wanted your light could always be rigged up with a remote device (Saying it actually has that feature capability) or if not you just push it on push it off. I like this very much because it is PERFECT for the M930SPX which doesnt have any good or really at all mounting solutions. and its very temporary yet very secure. On an AR with say a MOE rail or a quad rail you can mount TLR or Surefire lights easily, but on other devices its harder, say the M930SPX for example. BUT it is custom tailor made for the Beam Lokr, snap on the mag ext tube, light up, leave it when you need it remove to clean etc. AND it also facilitates very simple removal of light, so you can find a flashlight (again this is why I'd get a specific Streamlight) and it can be your breast/hip pocket flashlight and then your shotgun light whenever you need to swtich it up.\ just something to look at if you want, to me the Beam Lokr was a ingenious solution.

Yeah I had talked to EAA in summer 2010 when I bought the PAPs, they were *TERRIBLE* to me.. I often say how CMO is repeatedly rude to me and 70-80% of the staff if not more , very few of the people are nice. When I called EAA two or three times, they were so bad on the phone, they were CURSING at me... "What the F**( DONT you understand?? THERE IS NO WOOD STOCK MODELS IMPORTED INTO AMERICA AND NO WAY TO GET A SET!" "ARE ALL THE PEOPLE IN JERSEY SO STUPID OR JUST YOU?? DIDNT WE TELL YOU LAST WEEK YOU COULD NOT GET THAT WOOD SET?!" another time I asked about the magazines, "Are you in fact not realizing you just admitted to findin the magazines for sale on our website and asking where to find them, or are you confused or something? We DO have them, they are (at the time ) like $45 a piece. Please think before you call and try not to bother us with redundant questions". I could not believe it. I went on Zastava Arms's websites and translated to English, they had (at the timeat least) several email addresses including one for the Director or CEO or something like that. So I emailed them telling him how bad I wanted and needed a wood stock thumbhole furniture set for my PAP, which I bought for a 60th bday for my retired cop father and he really preferred the wood etc. it was very important to me. I then explained how impossible it was for me to find one and how EAA was so terrible to me etc. and I had already bought two PAPs and just needed some help.." In a week they wrote back, VERY NICE words, how terrible it was to suffer that treatment, how the Director guy has issued orders to the Director of Marketing to have his people send me a wooden thumbhole set and gift package (accessories or mags or cleaning kit I was assuming)( free of charge and expect another email soon with details how they want to send me the stuff from Serbia. ... And sure as sugar never again did I hear from them, and they never again answered the 3 emails I sent later in 2010 and two maybe in 2011 and MAYBE I sent one in 2012, never again did I get an answer. It just sucks that this thing has one magazine source basically, a magazine style no one wants everyone hates, and the only way to get one is pay 50 bucks from the import company making all the money. And in 2010 when ppl realized the single stack wasr surplus mags worked, I saw them flying off the internet ,one guy said he sold all he had to a "big time known firearms store website" online and they orderd" as many as he could get his hands on, thousands if I could" t obuy all available on the market and there would be no more availabe. when I bought my post-surgical gift of a 5.56 AR Bushmaster from PK90 in late 2010, he had some magazines in a box, we looked thru and we found 3 magazines we thought would work in a PAP. I bought all 3, one of which didn't work at all, which wound up just giving away to someone, the other two worked, one was a single stack 10 rd WASR mag, one was a wierd metal surplus magazine that held 9 round tightly and works but is the last option you'd ever want to use.i If someone like MidwestPX etc. found a solution to the PAP problem, like someone making a new , synthetic magazine in 15 rounds (or even 10) single stack 7.62x39mm for the PAP, they would corner the market and probably find a market acros the country to the PAP owners. if they were reasonably priced, cheaper the better of course, guys like me would buy them 10 at a time ,even 20 or so. When I get my next 7.62x39mm , I plan on buying some 30 rd. mags from Mississippi AUto Arms, they have 30 rd Tapco's for $8.99, + $4 bucks for a limiter to 10 rds, so what is that $13 bucks? I plan on buying somewhere between 10 and 20 of these, perhaps 15 but maybe just go ahead and get 20. Compare this with SGM Tactical $26.95 for a standard saiga non-convert 15 rd'er, $30 bucks for a factory 10 rd'er, Nd who knows how much on other websites... So I am perfectly happy with the PAP, but the Mags are achillies heel. Say there was a 15 round reliable, synthetic (or metal who cares) made mag by Midwest PX for example, I am pretty sure with a teeny bit of marketing to get the word out, the PAP owners would come out of the woodwork to rally around the product and make it worth the while big time.

i have a question or two if anyone is in the know- I am new to .308, I had long wanted one but finally bought one. I admit I had got a little happy buying firearms and their accessories and didn't buy a ton of ammo recently, having added an 870 Tactical [Magpul], a 700 ACC-SD, and now a Saiga 12, when I bought the 700 I bought one box of like $23 Federal .308, standard good quality brass cased full metal jacket rounds. I have to buy some snap caps, they had tons but not a single pack of .308 at the store... So I really had no need to chamber the rifle but needed to check it out a little so I did... the thing is, it chambers very difficultly . I thought I had been loading the magazine wrong but I am pretty sure I got it right... I mean I YouTube'd it and everything, I cleaned the area extensively and rubbed rubbed rubbed the area and what I would assume is the chamber area as best as I can (Did I do a boot camp brush and scrub no but I did go over it with wipes and rubbing and Rem Oil cleaning wipes scrubbing, then new Rem Oil Wipes soaked in CLP, stuffed in the chamber/beginning of barrel and the whole magazine/bolt area, left over night, re-scrubbed, rewiped and cleaned, re-left to soak and saturate etc. ) And I feel like the gun is chambering rounds difficultly.. Further, it has totally removed the orange'ish metal from the tips of the bullets and even flattened them out a little... its not a huge deal because I am just going to write off these 5 rounds and not shoot them, and eventually I'll buy a quantity of different .308's etc. this box was just not to be totally ammoless (Nothing more useless than a gun with no ammo IMHO). I just can't be sure, is it just new and needs to be 'broken in' (Which I am trying to do by hand cycling it repeatedly during my free time... I just can't be sure if I am actually ACCOMPLISHING anything by hand cycling it empty..) .. when I put the ammo in the mags and cycle it, it's much more difficult and I just don't want to tempt fate by cycling live ammo repeatedly through the action (especially when it is feeling tight)... So I am kind of stuck in a quandry, i dont' want to keep cycling live ammo in a tight situation but I am not sure it will improve without cycling. Anyway, my other bolt action is a .22LR Which is totally different so I will ask for expertise. Thanks much. There was something else I had wanted to ask... I will remember and post it.

Thanks to both of you gents. Deni I didn't even know they made it out of the box until I bought all the stuff and then saw it on a 2012 Shot Show Youtube video.. and figured, oh well... working on the guns is always good for you imho, I am certainly no gunsmith so forcing me to hands on sometimes is a benefit. bbk I appreciate your words too, if I love customizing guns (Magpul baby! lol) I certainly like writing about them. I am sure you will love the Magpul stock, I am also a short guy with short arms and I could not be happier with this, the handle is PERFECT, it gives you perfect shoulder contour but also almost a pistol grip like handle. I also added the LimbSaver add on and it was the best idea, I just could not shoot a shotgun without a limbsaver, and it should just be stock at this point. Just also two things, lol, the gun looks a little spotted like a leopard in the pics, its just oil from being wiped down.. I had been wiping it down regularly with Remington wipes which deposits that film of dry lube on it, then I had just opened up a container of Hoppe's oil wipes which has very light amount of real gun oil , which means the wipes don't last very long but its real oil they leave, and the result is a reflection on the camera that looks odd, perfectly good and normal but looks wierd under 12 megapixels and flash. And lol, two seconds after this the sling fell off and I could not figure out what I did wrong, until i realized i had a lemon, I compare the sling to the website and I'm missing parts lol. So I have to send it back to MidwayUSA. Doh. But I had loved it, the good news is I had installed all the Magpul sling connection points ( but was not using them with this sling) AND I have a Magpul MS2 sling I had been using first on my Bushmaster 556 which was heavily Magpul'd , and now I have on my 15-22 (equally hooked up, got more Magpul and accessories than the cost of the 15-22 on it) so I am not missing a beat by using the sling points and Ms2. its just a single point sling is GREAT for holding the sling but not so great when you let it go, watch your family jewels!

I'm almost positive Cheyenne Mountain Outfitters has one on their shelves, or at least they did... it was there Saturday when I went to buy my Saiga... and some older man wanted an HK AR, (i.e. the MR556A1) and the bamboozlers, when they weren't busy being rude to me as usual, were busy explaining to this poor uninitiated man that this *WAS* that new HK rifle he is describing that everyone is talking about and the Special Forces are using... And look it's even HALF PRICE, it's not $3000 like you said it's like $1499 !!! I just shook my head and kept my mouth shut, aware of the fact I'd be starting a customer service world war if I butted in. Anyway, I looked just now on HK's website, and it says on there "HK SL8-6" ... I don't know what number it was at CMO but it looks exactly right, it is almost definitely what they have right now for sale.

Hey Cguiro nice gun you got there, I could not get the guys at CMO to understand there is a 500, 590, and 590A1... they were acting like I was retarded and mentally deficient, I mean literally talking slow etc. "What dont you understand IT IS A 590 ... **SPECIAL PURPOSE** and I was like, I want a 590 *A1* ... SPECIAL PURPOSE... the 590A1 is the military version, they are like, DUDE THIS IS A 590 .. I gave up. And then I bought an 870 Tactical at Dick's Sporting Goods just in spite and on general principle (the 870 Tac was the best combat shotgun they had. I wish I had got an 870 Police but I might do the 870P upgrade with A and P Tactical

I just added a Remington 700 AAC-SD which I love, it is a .308Win with "1:10 Tactical Rifling" and a few other specific features, BUT - for you, the Remington 700 SPS Tactical is available in .223Rem , almost identical ... a 20" Heavy barrel, adjustable trigger, Hogue Overmolded Stock, etc. etc. you would probably not be able to find something better for the buck (Unless you went with Savage, which is my other favorite.). Savage Precision Carbine (Model 10 LE series PC) is also available in .223 and would be great too IMNHO.

Again for some reason I had typed out the entire message and I hit a button which went "Back" in the browser and lost all my text. Well I took this out to the range on Sunday, ... I don't want to say I broke it in because that process is just beginning. But I hit up Ready Aim Fire, and was surprisingly not packed and got the end all to myself.. a few kids I thought would be problems were next to me right after I started But I really hadn't a problem with them. they were really mesmerized by the equipment I brought out to make boombooms with. So I started out following my strictly believed proper procedure of 'breaking in' shotguns with 00 Buck... no frills just full power.. I believe I used two boxes of 15 round 'value packs' Winchester SuperX 2 3/4 00 Buck... This is the buckshot I buy for breaking in , blasting buck at the range, and storing up at home for SHTF... Again nothing fancy, no frills, simply pure power in 2 3/4 00 Buckshot. After running the two boxes through , I switched to Federal Value Pack multipurpose loads (7 1/2 birdshot) ...I only brought a few boxes of 25. I accidentially bought a 100 rd 20 gauge and so couldn't shoot that, and accidentially left the boxes of shot I pulled out of my shell storage at home..so I shot 25 through my new 870, and the previous 30 boxshots, and I had saved a 15 rd 00 Buck and 25rd birdshot pack for my M930SPX.. so I had so much fun with the 870 I went back to buy shells from the range... they charged my 14.50 for the EXACT SAME Federal multipurpose target/game birdshot 25 round boxes that the Walmart 1 mile up the road sells, in 100 rd boxes, for 20-25 depending on sale. So I couldn't keep wasting cash I only took one box... So I guess that makes 50 birdshots, 30 or so bucks, and a few random shells I had in my range bag. and boy oh boy! The 870 Tactical is amazing. The Magpul SGA 870 Stock is the best shotgun stock you could ask for, the forend is also awesome. I am not using the Forend for anything yet, no connections or attachments .. so it's awesome but I believe I would be fulfilling its full use if and when I add a Streamlight on one side, a Lasermax Genesis green laser on the other side, and maybe an AFG on the botton... .. Anyway the shotgun is amazing. Its wearing a Blue Force Vickers Combat Applications Sling right now and its doing great... (I added the Magpul Sling Forend which is like a barrel / extension clamp... with a sling attachment point on one side, a spot for adding (which I did) a QD Sling Swivel on th other side, and in the rear I added a Magpul Receiver Sling Mount which is like a shotgun single point sling catch point, sort of like the ASAP end plate for ARs but it doesn't swivel) ... I will most likely buy a new MS3 sling and decide to reconfigure my sling mounting system but right now I could not be happier... I am also wondering, is it true if I rack and rerack /pump and dry fire etc. the 870 and just keep working the action in my free time it will continue to break in and smooth out etc.? I have been doing that but really don't know if I am making any progress. So highly highly recommendd .. While I love doing the configurations and customizations myself , I could see the Remington 870 Tactical Magpul becoming one of if not the best selling / highest requested shotgun... I got the black but they have Flat Dark Earth (Which would look awesome with the 870 Desert Recon discontinued model) and I believe they have Orange which I surmise is designed for less than lethal / police shotguns for beanbag rounds / rubber bullets / tear gas canisters ... but I bet the Orange and the Marine Magnun would look great together.

I saw the "prototype" Krebs Zastava ... I believe they are using the PAP and called it the Krebs Zastava M70 .. .it has a shortened barrel, with that barrel compensating doohickey that the shortened AK74SU type pistol uses... In addtion they completely reinforced the top cover so the rail is now big time usable, installed a contoured pistol grip and Magpul CTR stock, and really Krebs'd it all up.. really awesome what they did but not for purists i would surmise. And if you are saying you plan on finding more single stack 10 round mags ,let me know how it goes, I have been looking for 3 years now.

one last thing- I meant to add. .. For my M930SPX I have the 18.5" barrel (Which comes with the very nice "M16 style front sight winged post" with red fiber optic tube.). .. I will probably add a barrel for it, and there is not a ton of options for the 930 series like there is for the 500/590's .. and I am going to go with a 24" barrel with fiber optic sights ... This gives me the most overall general purpose flexibility , hunting and gaming everything possible nothing perfect or expertise. With my new Remington 870 I might add some specific barrels... The cool thing is Remington 870 has A TON of barrel options because its the worlds most popular premium shotgun, and even Mossberg makes barrels for it. So I might pick up one of those Mossberg Tacticool barrels with the muzzle devices (I know I know, but hey why not) and maybe either a rifled slug barrel or a longer barrel, like 28? (If I have a 24" bbl for my Mossberg 930 I'd want something OTHER than that, so I'd go longer in the 870 style.) . .. but there is just so many options.. I believe it was Old School? who just sold off a ton of barrels and it was a perfect example of someone making the absolute most use of their gun with the optional barrels, so many different platforms covered with the same gun.

Dude you did great, IMHO the M590A1 is one of the best shotguns on the planet and quite possibly the best of the SHTF guns you could own, lets assume everyone agrees on how great a shotgun could and would be for SHTF, and a pump at that is basically the best for reliability and run-ability )it won't jam up or need cleaning/oiling etc.( ... the M590A1 is the top of the list because in addition to MOST of the good guns being reliable, this Mossberg model was designed specifically to meet and exceed the Military's torture test, It is TOUGH AS NAILS when you say that statement you mean it, Tough as Nails. And its got the parkerzed finish, IMHO the best you could get on a shotgun short of a Cerakote or Duracoat painting. When you got the dual action bars, metal as opposed to plastic (aluminum) trigger guard, safety, ...Heavy Walled Barrels (18.5 or 20" i think your choice) it is just a beast! \ I have a Mossberg 930 SPX, and I love it like a prized possession , so I have not as of yet bought a M590A1 because my M930SPX satisfied my Mossberg craving and there is a particular 1 or 2 M590A1 model I want (There are a ton of them because of the variations of the items and features) .. and I have a think for combat shotguns , so I will buy a M590A1 someday but added a different brand just recently... BUT YOU DID GREAT, And you're rightfully allowed to be proud and loud buddy. As far as What you can do, what can't you? To the best of my knowledge, a 590A1 will run any Mossberg 500 barrel so you can add and extra or extras barrels... you could say just get a 24" general purpose bbl and be done with it, you can add two barrels ... Lets say you are a big time gamer (trap skeet clays etc. ) and also turkey hunter you might get a 22 or 24" barrel for hunting and a 30" or 28" for game shooting sports or even duck/bird flying hunting etc, Maybe a 22" rifled barrel for deer hunting and 26" for other shotshell general hunting, you get the picture. I'd say congrats buddy I love your shotgun.

Now to play the opposite end of the spectrum, obviously this gun holds a lot of value to you and who knows what the cash value is , but it's irreplaceable to you right? What's the harm in spending little cash to get a gunsmith to at least give it an expert eye perhaps a little TLC/Once Over/if nothing else a nice cleaning and babying. It would ease your mind, increase safety and security of the gun and probably make it look and function better no? Anyway thats just how I see it , unless it was hundreds of bucks I cant see how $50 or even 75? worth of a gunsmiths time and effort would not be worth every penny.

yeah bud thank you very much, I have heard of and in fact came close to buying from both Mississippi and Carolina a few things. So I am very familiar with them. As this may wind up being something I make use of as a "Christmas present" to my old man so I mAY Be slowly adding a few extras so there would be more things to open for him on Christmas, I'll probably get a nice sling like a Vickers Combat Applications or a Viking Tactical, who knows. I got a LimbSaver slip on because I was not sure if I could even get a precision/speed mount type so I figured why not..the slip on is black, fits like a glove, and honestly we can deal with the look no problem. I am curious Lunker, do Saiga 7.62x39mm parts fit a Saiga 12, specifically I am wondering about say a Midwest Industries quad rail .. And is there any buttstock upgrades available to us NJ residents/ Since i cant use a pistol grip and AR/AK stock I guess I was only looking at the Skeleton stock. thanks again brother much much appreciated.

Nice thank you very much do you have a place to suggest i get it from, and anything else like that that is really good to get but not big time expensive/etc.? Also I was thinking about the Saiga "skeleton stock" what about it? Thanks!

So I added to the collection of shotguns in my portfolio with the Bad Mother Trucker... I had almost purchased one of these back in summer 2010 when they were barely $500 ... there was the import scare earlier a year or so ago sending the popularity (and price) of these sky higher and for a time scare ... Now the talk is with the presidents re-election these could be the first type of firearm to go, so I figured better get now while the getting is good. It was either this or a scope for my new Remington 700, which I am hoping I will get with some sort of Christmas savings deal, so I figured the scope can wait (Although I must admit I feel hopelessly helpless having a bolt action tactical 'sniper rifle' with no scope, basically its useless lol). As I talked to a few people on here about with in Chat, I had experienced the Pending delay at CMO on Saturday... it was craziness. Lets just say in retrospect that was the highlight of my experiences with them, and having accepted ownership of this fine Russian autoloader, that will most likely be the last dime I spend there, ever. Yesterday my picking-up experience was just so blood-boiling I literally had to just bite my lip, shut my mouth, grit and grin and bear it and walk out. But hey I got a Saiga 12 out of it right? I snapped a few pics of the bad boy. I will most likely be putting an EOTech on there, which I was going to pick up from CMO as they now have a much expanded accessory section ( remember being told in early 2010 that "that $*** doesn't sell, if you want Magpul Eotech this that the other you can waste your money on the internet ... Funny ,they had about 10-20 EOTechs in their cases, a few ACOGs, and perhaps it would be accurate to say HUNDREDS of Leupold scopes, i'd bet serious money it was AT LEAST 100 more likely 1-200 Leupold scopes, of which I was also hoping to score a top of the line (for their selection) for my new Rem 700 AAC-SD, I was looking at a VX3, VXR, or VX3L 4.5-14x50mm Boone and Crockett) One thing I posted for fun, you all righteous peoples may or may not care, but I thought was hilarious, was the warning about the "Inhibitor Film" and I imagine the text was written in Russian and then translated and the words are direct translations and to me it is hilarious how it says : 1- It is STRICTLY PROHIBITED to use inhibitor film for wrapping foodstuffs; 2- it is necessary to wash hands and face with soap and water after work and before meal; 3- it is Not Allowed to store inhibitor film open, near acids or alkalis; 4- After unpacking *Annihilate* this film (total KGB style "Eyes Only, Destroy after reading" style line Anyway that cracked me up something great., made the whole purchase of shotgun so worthwhile.

I bought two of these bad boys in Summer of 2010, kept one as a 60th bday present for the old man... These are top quality AK rifles without top notch prices.. While I know Arsenal and Vepr are the big boy names to show off, a PAP from the Zastava Arms factory is every bit the manufacturing and workmanship just not the attractive level as a whole... But at the time they were like what, $400-$450ish, literally half price so how could you beat it? Now they are imported on a large scale via Century and they did two smart things- make them high capacity conversions AND do the wood beautiful wood furniture- now they are considered premium and largely known on big websites and owners popping up across the country showing them off. And a little birdie told me Krebs is working on a deal to contract for a large quantity of Zastava PAPs for making the next Krebs Custom AK rifle a Krebs Zastava...and I am on the list waiting for one.

What everyone here needs to be REALLY concerned with are the Supreme Court justices who retire... The Democratic justices have privately said they are simply biding their time... Elena Kagan and Sonya Sotomayor could NOT HAVE BEEN WORSE for gun rights, and the dems have already said, Including the guys on there already. they *DO NOT* beleive the 2nd Amendment means each person has the right to own guns, they believe the interpretation to be different, privately they have said they really don't care what laymens like me think and when guys like me say "it's not up to you to reinterprete the words written guaranteeing our rights " they have said they believe their job is precisely that, they believe the words need to be reinterpreted and they will say that we do NOT have a natural right to own firearms, and they are biding their time however fiercing to recoup their losses on the two 2010 > or was it earlier, 2009, 2008 whatever big time cases from DC/Chicago what have you./ Obama knew damn well he was appointing LOOOOONG Term liberal to the core woman with textbook definition, Olympic champion anti gun, pro abortion, we are the boss of you, justices who will be there the next 50 years. AND they are ONE VOTE SHORT of completely reshaping the nation. THAT is what people dont' understand- ONE SIMPLE VOTE on the court will change the balance and then they literally CAN BE RESHAPING AMERICA through the interpretation or in many cases RE-interpretation of the laws of the land...and the next 4 years present AMPLE opportunity to the President to pack the court. Bush was extremely lucky and for good old GOP boys raised right by our Dads like myself, we were extremely fortunate to have the situations of 2005 where our president got to appoint Trenton's own Sammy Alito and then Chief Roberts... big deal for a long time. HOWEVER even Roberts has jumped ship as recently as Obamacare... as Roberts now wants to be known as an internationally recognized famous world changing national hero jurist for centuries to come, and is not ruling traditionally but ruling in a way he believes will cast him in the most favorable historical light and get him the best history book passages for kids to read about him and learn he was a great Chief Justice not a normal Chief Justice As someone who studied political science for most of my life and strongly considered a career of law and politics and still quietly yearns for a career in the academic field of politcs/governmnet/law/public policy.. I have to say most people DO NOT Even see how crucial the court change is going to be for the country... If and when they retire the next 4 years we will see huge shifts that could last 50+ years.

Is that right? CMO wrote me info down for buying a $23 box of simple standard Federal .308 FMJ with my new Rem 700 AAC-SD on Wednesday, (I hate Hate HATE the idea of having a firearm around with no ammo so even though it was brand new, no scope even, I had to buy some ammo just in case). I laughed but they did it anyway.

So therefore everything not compulsory is forbidden and everything not forbidden is compulsory . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarian_principle and then you can add in the intent to commit a crime or lackthereof, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea I am not going to argue but I think it's extremely misleading to say "it's illegal unless you fall under the exceptions" , when by definition the exceptions would be, you know , actually... Using them legally. I'm not a lawyer, I gave up law school to study what I actually loved not what I grew up in, but I can read statutes as much as the next guy. i don't really care about the wording to be honest because I know i don't do and/or won't do anything illegal firearms related because the penalty is quite severe, taking everything else out of the equation, arrest/jail/prison/trial/fines/lawyers/judges/etc. you are at least most likely losing your gun rights forever, which to me is one of the worst things inherent. What I think the OP was hoping to hear was this, But I don't think anyone is going to give him that answer, regardless.

Damned and I mean hot damned Rifleman we have immensely similiar tastes, I could just repeat a lot of what you said as my own. .. I have two Nikon ProStaffs 4-12x40mm on some of my .22LR's and I love them, they are about the perfect high power high quality scopes for two sporter .22LR rifles , maximizes their potential, anything higher is either wasted or just wrong application. I would not be opposed to Nikon on my new rifle but i'd probably upgrade to the Monarch... I did in fact check out a Monarch next to the higher end/nicer Leupold CMO had and while the Monarch made Nikon look good, the Leupold really amazed me and shined through... But they can get pretty expensive. now I have also considered a .308 autoloader... and specifically the R-25... I held one at Dicks a year ago it was very nice...ppl can bash it all they want but I really liked them.... felt great ND LOOked great and is of course upgradedable. I would LOVE to add an M1A but i cant justify that cost...

Its very misleading to say Hollowpoints are illegal, they are only illegal if you're using them to do something else illegal or while doing something else illegl. If you're using them to reduce he size of your wallat at the shooting range or for home defense etc. or in your huntin weapons, go ahead.. just dont do illegal stuff and get the add-ob charge.