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Emailed NH state police and just received the same response as previous posters: "We are aware of the decision from the Supreme Court. The decision is being reviewed at this time. Please check the web site or e-mail us for updates."

While that sounds good on paper, several others have tried to organize such a movement in the past, but no one follows through with it. Part of the problem is that the requirements are so vague regarding the qualifications. There is no printed document handed out by PDs that states what is required. They just verbally tell you, "whatever is required for police officers" with no explanation, details, or forms to be filled out.

In addition to Dwight's response, I'd also be worried that applying could give the defense the option of granting him/Nick a permit to carry in an attempt to nullify that argument. "Here's your permit. Now what are you complaining about?"

Please keep us posted on whether they accept/issue at this point...

Awesome story! My six year old last night was watching "Adventures in Babysitting" with my wife and me. During the scene when the truck driver shoots at the man and his wife in the house (I don't know the movie well, nor was I paying much attention) my daughter said, "wow - that guy is a murderer! He tried to shoot a good person with his gun!" I was impressed with her distinction between shooting a good guy vs. shooting a bad guy. The kid of a typical anti would probably just say he was a murderer for shooting anyone, regardless of whether the receiver was a good or bad guy.

This is the primary reason for most people. I've carried in FL many times and had to worry about it printing or exposing if I raise my arms to get something off an upper shelf at the supermarket and my t-shirt rises above my waist line, for just one example.

+1. Both of the guys there are anti-ccw and in favor of expanded background checks. It's obvious they're there ONLY to make money for themselves and do not believe in our rights. I tried striking up friendly conversation with them about our sad state of 2A rights in NJ and they were actually hostile about it, in opposition to expanded rights! I felt like I was having a disagreement with raging anti-gun liberals instead of co-owners of a gun store!

Sorry - it looks like my post was a bit confusing. What I meant in my post was that InFamous probably had the page cached and that was why he was actually able to see something other than 404. With a refresh, he should (and did, apparently) get the same 404 the rest of us are getting since the server is down. Intentional or unintentional? We're not sure, but it's a bit fishy that it goes down right when he stops posting updates here.

Your browser probably has it cached. Try hitting refresh and see if it reloads properly.

Hmmm. This is shady. Is it possible that we've been hoodwinked and there never was a SAPPA in reality? Could he have been a troll who wanted to distract us from doing any real activism as long as possible?

^ What siderman said. Keep in mind that everyone here has the same common end goal. While some of us use harsh constructive criticism, it is still constructive criticism and what I feel is a healthy conversation amongst peers as opposed to the full opposition that you would receive from the "other" side. My guess would be that even those who disagree with you on some points are in favor of your general plan to move forward and want to support and stay updated on SAPPA. If you guys want to keep discussing the details of the proposed bill, I think a separate thread would be more appropriate since many of us have this thread tagged for immediate alerts on all responses and would prefer to only receive those alerts for SAPPA news and updates. That being said, I apologize to those of us who are in this situation since this very post is not SAPPA specific. Please keep up the good work and keep us updated!

I actually believe what the respondent said. I won't say who sent the email, but trust me - it was someone reputable and it was a personal email, not a form letter. Based on the wording in the email and the source, I believe that they genuinely have not received any information on Cherry Hill up to this point. This person seemed very interested in obtaining the information needed to pursue the matter.

Thanks, W2MC! I emailed ANJRPC about it and immediately heard back. Apparently this is the first information they received on Cherry Hill! I guess too many of u assume they already know about it and are working it. Looks like I have another pro-2A group to join.

I'll have to plan this one out as soon as I have a little free time. I guess I'll have to prepare to be on CH's sh!tlist permanently, but someone has to take the plunge if ANJRPC and NJ2AS aren't going to do anything about it. I'll try contacting them first to make sure they don't already have it on their radar before I go through all of this.

Pizza Bob, I didn't know any of this, but now I am willing to move forward to test it. We aren't in need of any permits currently, so I have plenty of time to kill by doing this. Who do I need to contact to arrange and coordinate this effort? NJ2AS or ANJRPC?

Here are the details regarding my previous post: http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/77083-applying-for-fid-in-cherry-hill-nj/?p=977295

My wife and I decided to test this when we applied for our FID change of address forms. We both went in person and yet they wouldn't allow us to sign the spousal consent forms while standing next to each other right at the counter! We had to walk down the hall to the clerk's office and have her notarize our signatures. This was proof that it was total BS, to me.

My wife and I went together to CHPD to apply for our FID change of address forms when we moved to CH. They handed us the next of kin forms and I informed them that those forms were illegal. The secretary told us, "these are our forms, not the state's. If you don't fill them out, we don't process your application." I was ready to start a fight, but my wife held me back. The problem is that they can make your life hell and delay your paperwork as long as they want with no legal repercussion. We figured this was a fight worth fighting at a later time, once we had our FIDs in hand and all the pistol permits that we currently needed. We could always apply for "unneeded" pistol permits and then fight them on it since we wouldn't lose anything in the delay. Apparently former Mayor Susan Bass Levin was the one who convinced the PD to include those forms. So here we were, husband and wife, right next to each other requesting our paperwork and they handed us the forms. We told them that we were each other's closest relative cohabitants so there was no need for us to take those forms home. She still insisted that we take them home, fill them out, and have them notarized. It was ridiculous. I called and argued with the main detective who is in charge of firearms and he told me the same thing about how this was pushed by the mayor and he had no control to accept packets without that form, even after I told him it was in violation of state law/statute. I've pushed on NJ2AS to go after Cherry Hill and they keep telling me that they're going county by county, so it may be a while. My fear is that when Camden County Police take over the entire county (sooner than we want to believe), they will be in charge of all the municipalities and permitting. It'll probably be one guy with 3 hours per week of appointment time.

Get out...that is awesome! My wife's biggest complaint about newer entry doors is that no one does storm doors anymore and she loves the ability to do just what you suggested. Wow...this is a definite for us. Thanks for the tip!!

What do you mean "on top of your main door"? Is it a replacement of hardware or something? Their website isn't clear on what you're referring to. Do you have a rough idea for how much it costs to do that? Can it be a DIY project or do you need to hire a pro? I'm not super duper handy, but I'm about average to slightly above average skill/experience for a layman.

It probably won't be a determining factor, but the reciprocity with a NC carry permit (they only issue resident) is incredible. It gives you just about every state except the usuals (NJ, MD, CA, etc). SC's reciprocity has a few less states.

You guys have had some great ideas. Thank you, all. After thinking about it, taking what you all said into consideration, and looking at what's out there, I think I'm going to go with a pretty standard door but really concentrate or the reinforcements and type of installation. What are your feelings about fiberglass vs. steel? Pros, cons? I've read a lot about them on the web, but can't seem to figure out which is preferred. I know for sure I don't want real wood.

This is true. I hate to badmouth one of ours, but I've learned that he isn't one of us. He argued with me before about several NJ issues and it turns out that he is for many of our opposition's points - universal background checks, FID/PPPs, etc. On top of that, he gave me several price quotes for guns that I ended up finding for $300-$400 less (on 3 or 4 separate occasions) at Sportsman's Center, Cheyenne Mtn, or other private FFLs. I used to live in Merchantville and I was really excited when he opened. He turned out to be the biggest disappointment and I wouldn't throw a buck back at him.

Ok, I know we're beating a dead horse, but please tell us what it is that you have that is so controversial. NJ's laws, as confusing as they may seem, are pretty cut and dry when it comes to which firearms are NJ legal. The curiosity is killing me after all of this baloney.

Washington Times article just released...haven't read it, yet: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/11/federal-court-rules-residency-requirements-pistol-/