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Guys, one thing to consider with being allowed possession of a long gun with an FPID card is a court's interpretation definition of possession. If one was to drive around with a shotgun in the trunk and then park the car at the mall and go shopping, how would the courts interpret possession while the gun is physically in the car while you're in the mall? Would this be considered storing the gun, unattended, at a location other than one's house? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't storage of firearms limited to one's own property (if not in current possession)?

Kershaw Black Gulch. $18 at the Philly Armory show, spine lock, no assisted opening. Fully legal, even in NYC!

Definitely some good stuff to consider. I like the idea of trying each exercise with all of your different guns to get a feel for which works best in each scenario. Now, to find the time to do it...

No, he definitely didn't tell RayCo that she is up here every summer. He even told them that his buddy told him that he needs to do an FFL transfer and they still told him, no. Any parent who is also a resident of NJ can buy a long gun private purchase (FTF, w/ COE) from anyone else and then transfer it to his/her adult kid who also is a resident of NJ (FTF w/ COE). So it really wouldn't be anything special...

I just got some new information that I didn't know before from him. Apparently Mom spends all summer living with him, every year, so she can hang out with the kids while they're off from school. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Nappen's book state that if you maintain a temporary, but long term residence in a different state, you are a resident of that state from a 2A perspective during that time? I think 2-3 months/year would definitely qualify as her being a resident of his house (and NJ), in which case he can have her fill out and date the COE form while she's living with him during the summer. In that case, he wouldn't have to go through an FFL. Thoughts?

Trust me, the thought ran through my head, as well. He and mom never lived in the same state for any period of time after it was manufactured and while he was an adult. Grrr.

I wish this could have been the case, however the shotgun wasn't even manufactured until about 10 years ago. I'm not sure the specifics but either she never lived in NJ (and he has lived here since he was a minor - parents are separated) or she moved out of NJ long before the shotgun was even made.

I'd like to believe this was the case. I hope so, at least. I'll have to ask him how explicit he was with them. If he just said, "My mom wants to give me her shotgun." that would be one thing. If he said, "My mom, who is a resident of FL, wants to give me her shotgun." that is another thing entirely.

Don't worrry - you aren't the only one who thought that. I had a bunch of friends who thought the same thing. In fact, even RayCo thought that. I don't think they are on this forum, but I think I'm going to need to call them later. They advised my buddy to do something illegal and his mom was only up here until last night. I've had several run ins with those guys, too. They tried to convince me that everyone should have to get a NICS check, even in private transfers, when Toomey was proposing that law a few years back. I argued with them about it, but they were stubborn. They're definitely not a) knowledgeable or b) truly pro-2A. It's one thing to be mistaken about an obscure law, but it's another thing to not be willing to investigate before giving someone advice. He literally called them to arrange for a transfer and they turned him down because they didn't think he needed it. The only positive is that they weren't being greedy for money, if they truly didn't think he didn't need to go through an FFL. Remixer, you were willing to follow up and determine whether your information was accurate. RayCo didn't seem to have that concern.

That is consistent with the link that I posted, as well. Thanks, again, for asking for me!

http://www.fedcoplaw.com/html/federal_firearms_laws.html Damn...I think this is pretty clear that there is no exemption for gifting from a family member. Said family member must have died and either willed it to you or you must be next-of-kin for inheritance purposes. Otherwise, it must go through an FFL.

Thanks, guys! I appreciate all of the input. After speaking with some other guys about it, I think we've nailed down the issue that an interstate long gun transfer must go through an FFL. However, the unanswered question at this point is whether there is a federal exemption on that law for interstate long gun transfers between family members, specifically from a parent to a son/daughter. Other than Nappen, I'm not really sure where to find out that answer for sure. It sucks that he even needs to worry about all of these technicalities. But after hearing Aitken's story, one can never be legal enough to avoid an "illegal possession" charge. God forbid, he protects his family in a home invasion some day. The last thing they need is for him to get 7 years for it.

This is what I always believed to be the law. That is why I was so confused that RayCo, a NJ FFL, told him that FTF was ok for a transfer from an out of state seller to an NJ buyer. I feel like calling them today to ask them where they are getting this information.

I’m very confused about an incident that happened last night. A friend's mom is a FL resident while he has lived in NJ for the past 15 years. Sometime over the past 3 years, she gave him one of her shotguns. However, they did it all off paper, because he didn’t know the laws regarding interstate transfers. He does have an FID card, so he is somewhat familiar with the laws here. That being said, he wants to be in total compliance in case he needs to use it for self defense, so that he doesn’t then get charged with illegal possession. I told him the proper procedure is to go with his mom to an FFL and perform the transfer there, with COE forms and NICS check, since his mom is out of state and cannot transfer him a long gun without going to an FFL. He called RayCo in Merchantville yesterday, since his mom is up visiting, and they told him that he doesn’t need to do it at an FFL and all they have to do is fill out a COE form. I had two blank copies already printed out from when I went to the Armory this past weekend (just in case I found something good) so he stopped down last night to get them. The section for “seller” states nothing about the seller needing to be a NJ resident. The section for “buyer” clearly states that the buyer must be a resident of NJ, otherwise the transfer needs to take place at an FFL. Am I misinformed about the law? Can a NJ resident purchase a long gun from an out of state resident in a private transfer with just a COE form and without needing to use an FFL/NICS? Even more concerning is that if I am right about the fact that all interstate transfers have to go through FFL/NICS, RayCo gave him the wrong information and he could get into some serious trouble, legally, because of it.

JohnnyB, thanks for the recommendation! I'll definitely look into it and I'll let you know if I'm going to contact him for an estimate. I wonder if he's one of the ones I met at Oaks last March. Do you know if he had a table/demo there, then?

Thanks, H.E. I'll have to check them out. I saw this graphic in an article and found it interesting. I didn't check the source(s) of the statistic, but claims that the front door is the most vulnerable part of a plurality of homes.

Yup. She first nixed FL (rendering mine useless in PA), then VA (while ours were in the mail to our house), then UT (a month before we were going to take the class). So if you don't want TX nixed, don't let me take the class...LOL

Yeah, but that's assuming you're talking about some guys who have half a brain. If those guys want to get in, they'll find a weak spot in ANY house. My concern here is the 3/4 of would-be thieves who are probably knuckleheads who are high half the time and couldn't even get a GED. Those are the ones who would probably try the front door. I definitely see what you guys are saying, but since we want to replace the door anyway, aesthetically, I'm trying to figure out the best way to do so without breaking the bank. I wouldn't want to intentionally put in something flimsy to save money just because the majority of smart criminals wouldn't use the front door, anyway.

The back door is going to be part of a future kitchen remodeling project, so that's why we're just looking at the front door for now. It's very old and ugly right now so we want to at least increase our curb appeal while also putting in something safer (and tighter from an air-sealing perspective). If someone really wants to get in, he is going to get in, regardless of what protections you put in place. It's just a matter of having a better deterrent than your neighbors so that he chooses their houses instead of yours.

Texas is on the top of my list for the future. Currently have FL and VA (which we got one month before Kane nixed it). The only problem is that it requires a physical trip to Texas to take the training class. Does TX state law not allow the class to be taught out of state or is it just that there aren't any TX certified trainers here? Back in the days before having kids, I would have just hopped on a cheap flight down, taken the course, and then come home. Those days are long gone.

Guys, thanks for the tips and recommendations. I'm definitely aware of what makes it safer and the fact that the glass does present a new risk. That's one of the reasons I want to do a full reconstruction, including the frame, instead of just replacement. We're only looking to do a small sliver of glass on each side - just enough to allow some light in. I was more or less looking to see if anyone recommended any specific manufacturer or installer since there seem to be quite a few companies out there that claim to specialize in doors for those who are security conscious. However, all of you had some good tips that I will consider throughout the process.

I put this topic under "NJ Prepared" since I would think a secure entry door is an important part of being prepared for the unknown. If anyone feels it doens't belong here, please move it to a more appropriate forum. Does anyone have any recommendations or experience regarding an attractive, yet strong/secure front entry door company/installer? I've seen a few different ones, at gun shows, that claim to be strong enough to withstand battering rams and crowbars, even to the glass components. I'm looking at a full reconstruction, not just a replacement door. Currently we just have a wooden door with no glass and we want to add a more attractive and safer (preferably steel) door with translucent, but not transparent, glass on either side of it. I'd also like to still have the option of installing a storm door, which I don't see people do too much anymore with new, attractive doors. Thanks in advance for any tips, info, or ideas.

I'm sad that Frank is stepping down, but I'm also enthusiastic about Alexander's ability to take over. Frank was a huge asset getting the organization to its current point, with national recognition. I believe Alexander will continue that mission effectively. Thanks, Frank, for everything and best of luck, with support, Alexander!

They could just put a snap-cap or dummy round as the last one in the mag and avoid having it lock open.

I had the same feeling about this as soon as I saw it. I was ranting to my wife last night about how dangerous this could be for the collective "us" in the 2A community.