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I disagree because if I had a permit to carry, I would be equally as concerned with being able to enter my house while armed and leave my house while armed as I would be about being able to carry in other public places. Just reading the Armed Citizen reports in NRA magazines, I see a common theme is somebody arriving home and realizing someone is already in his/her house. Since we cannot carry, we cannot be armed when we arrive at our own front door. The only way we can legally have even an unloaded handgun in the car (which in theory can be loaded and holstered upon arrival home) is if we were transporting it to/from a range/shop/self-owned-property. So the restriction on carrying in public actually directly limits our ability to carry on our own property. I live in a very safe neighborhood and don't ever anticipate anything happening while I'm leaving or entering my home, but there are no guarantees. If I was to leave my house in the middle of the night to go to work and someone ambushed me before I locked the door of the house, he could get into my house and attack my wife and kids who were still asleep and had no idea what was happening until it was too late. Short of the facetious lockbox at the end of the property scenario that el_cid suggested, there is no legal way for me to prevent this from happening by remaining armed up to the time I left my property. I think the more arguments that we have against the carry restriction, the better. Nothing says that a case must be limited to a single argument by the plaintiff.

So you're saying one to illegally carry without a permit to carry and the other to legally transport?

I know that you guys are giving him a hard time for this argument and, yes, on the surface it sounds like he's nitpicking. However, think about it this way: If you are going to be attacked on your own property, your most vulnerable place is between your front door and your car, on the way out or home. Your second most vulnerable place is in your car, pulling into or out of your driveway. What he's saying is that logistically, to stow a gun in your trunk when leaving your property, you will probably end up having to box/lock it while in your house. This leaves you completely unarmed while you're walking out to your car. If you have to stow it in your trunk, you definitely have to be physically outside of the car to place it there, leaving you vulnerable at that point, too. In fact, I would argue that you're even more likely to be a target if you're carrying a gun in a case since criminals love to steal guns from unarmed people. If you didn't have to disarm yourself to leave your property, you would be able to remain defensive 100% of the time that you were on your own property. I think his argument holds a lot of weight and is worthy of consideration.

I am ABSOLUTELY truly about 2A rights above everything else. I'm not saying Anthony's not a 2A supporter, too, but his public reaction to a private disagreement came across childish and I wasn't sure that it was the action of someone I'd like to see in a more prominent role within the NRA. NRA has many public image problems. One of them is the assumption that we are all angry white men. Anthony's reaction played right into that liberal talking point. It doesn't even matter what happens behind the scenes because the liberal media will jump all over anything public that is negative. That was my reason for concern. Also, if Anthony is so good for NJ, maybe we should keep him here instead of his efforts being shifted to the national scene, with the NRA. I still haven't made up my mind on the ballot. Anthony did a fairly good job explaining his actions on here. I don't care what everyone else says when trying to explain it for him. It means more to hear it directly from him, as it was on this thread. In the end, I am leaning towards voting for him because I believe that he is sincere that he wants to mend ties once the dust settles. If we don't have some level of cooperation, cohesiveness, and mutual respect, our efforts will be disorganized and conflicting. We are probably better off having separate organizations that work well to compliment each other than trying to force everyone into the same school of thought or priorities.

It was related to Anthony's NRA campaign. Anything that he has done related to 2A is relevant. So, no, it did not devolve into anything other than a discussion about points relevant to Anthony. For the record, I have no soap box. I'm not leadership in any group. The only thing that matters to me in this realm is our 2A rights in NJ. Ok, maybe that is my soapbox. 2A in NJ.

Best of luck with your surgery. Hopefully all can be resolved after you recover.

Ok, here's the deal. You, Frank, and I are all of Italian descent - and we're all from NJ. So I can completely understand the hot-headedness and lack of filter. I don't bash you for that, though I think it has made this issue more complex. By the same token, I don't bash Frank for his reactions and approach, which ALSO has made this issue more complex. However, that being said, I KNOW Frank well and I also know first hand that he was very upset about the "Shame wall" group that Deanna made and Frank did not have anything to do with it and he disagreed with it. I don't know her personally, but I don't feel bad calling her out publicly because I feel that she has been fanning the flames and making this into a bigger issue than it should be. I understand how frustrating it can be to be stuck in the middle, but things at NJ2AS WILL work out in the end. But you're not HELPING the soon-to-be new group by bashing NJ2AS. Most NJ2AS members are also members of SAF, NRA, ANJRPC, or an assortment of other groups as well. We are all willing to joing multiple pro-2A groups. These groups ARE codependent, regardless of whether you want to admit or acknowledge that fact. You should still be encouraging people to join NJ2AS and NJ2AS should still be sending business your way. I think that if you had a simple face-to-face meeting with Frank and the rest of the NJ2AS leadership, you guys could iron out your differences and continue on. You have a business to run - multiple aspects of that business. One of your biggest sources for reaching your target audience was through NJ2AS. One of NJ2AS' biggest sources for reaching a national audience was through your podcast. Both can go on without each other, but you are both cheating yourselves.

I have to admit that I like your ambition and willingness to disagree with those who don't see things the same way as you. Those are GOOD qualities for an NRA board member. Why didn't you specify in that post that it was directed towards just the leadership? Maybe these are just issues regarding tact that you are learning. But, even if you want to distance yourself from NJ2AS' leadership, don't you recognize the importance of the group as a whole or the fact that if THAT group continues strongly and you and others start another 2A group and grow it to something strong, it is a Win-Win for all of us in NJ? I'm not a paid negotiator or anything, but I personally feel that the feud between you and Frank has distracted SO many NJ gun owners from the importance of our mission. It's my understanding from this forum that Frank has extended an olive branch to you, as have other NJ2AS members, and you have refused. As a potential NRA board member, it would be beneficial to all of us if we could see you employ some diplomacy and at least come to peace (agreeing to disagree) with your adversaries, especially since in this case they are fighting the same battle that you're fighting. Plus, an NJ2AS endorsement would go a long way to help your cause. Apology accepted regarding the post not targeting all of us in NJ2AS. I just wish that was clearer when you originally posted it.

Trust me on this one - I really WANTED to support you. In fact, up until that post, it didn't matter to me that you and NJ2AS didn't get along anymore. It was when you decided to go off on the entire membership that I realized it was more than just personal differences between you and Frank. It confirmed to me that you really don't give a damn about thousands of NJ 2A supporters simply because we were members of a group with whom you didn't agree with the leadership. So you felt that it was completely ok to go off on all of the rest of us.

Ted Nugent never told my wife and me to "go f*** yourselves".

Well, it's one thing to bash the leadership if you're not happy with them. But it's another thing to tell the entire membership that we're all "F***ing losers" and tell us that we can "all go F*** yourselves". Why do you have beef with your fellow 2A supporters, like my wife and me? What have we ever done to you?

Sorry, dude. I'll be starting my "Do NOT vote for Anthony Colandro" Facebook page tonight, complete with the screenshot of your post. I took personal offense when you told my wife and me that we could all go F ourselves (along with the rest of NJ2AS). I haven't heard any apology from you, yet. Still waiting...there is still time for a sincere apology to keep me from starting that page/group on Facebook.

This is true, but it at least takes SOME level of effort to read these posts (which I agree that we, including myself, should not have posted on a forum in the first place). But at least a simple google search wouldn't show the details if it was private.

Would a mod please move this thread to a private area requiring a login to read it?

Agreed. 2/3 of the meetings were in North Jersey - Belleville and Toms River. The only South Jersey meetings were in Winslow. It's a 90 minute drive (mostly north) for me to go to Toms River and a few hours to Belleville. I hoped for more down south, too.

My wife has been bugging me to renew her NJ2AS membership and I keep forgetting to do so. Now would be a good time to offset some of the cancelations. Also, I'll probably enroll both of my kids as members, too, just to keep the membership strong. That being said, I have no ill will towards those of you who disagree with Frank and choose to leave, as long as you put your money, time, and efforts towards another group that has 2A freedom as its goal. I think multiple groups attacking the same laws actually strengthens our fight and intimidates the opposition more than having only a single opponent. Best of luck and by NO means "good riddance". Maybe our organizations can appoint "diplomats" who will meet with each other on a regular basis just to keep each group informed about the other groups' projects.

Sorry, my mistake. I hit "quote" instead of just reply at the bottom. I edited my post to eliminate the quoting of your previous post. It wasn't intended as a direct response to your post.

There's something wrong with someone like that. I can't get to Facebook here, but I'd be curious to see whether anyone knows more about him personally. I'm more interested in learning whether he was sent there as a mole to post sh!t like that and try to tie all of us to it.

At this point I don't personally care about Ron's beef with NJ2AS. He is free to start his own group and/or to mend ties with Frank so that they can work together. My bigger concern is Anthony. He and NJ2AS NEED each other. NJ2AS needs the national exposure that his show gives them, plus the meeting space and facilities (training, etc) that go with it. Anthony needs the business generated from NJ2AS giving him lots of exposure within NJ and drawing people to his range and encouraging them to take his training classes. Maybe he and Frank don't need to be friends, but they need to work together. Otherwise we end up with a situation like the GOP establishment and the Tea Party wing in the Senate dividing the party on the whole and accomplishing nothing. The other side will run all over us while we're busy infighting. Let that crap happen privately...both Anthony/Ron and Frank are at fault for taking it to public forums and it needs to stop. I can personally talk to Frank and try to convince him. Is anyone on the other side willing to personally reach out to Anthony? I don't mean sending him an email saying, "you should take it offline." I mean getting on the phone or visiting him in person and talking to him about it. Tell him how much both of them are dividing and upsetting the 2A crowd in NJ - NJ2AS and non-NJ2AS. NJ2AS can work on changing its approach at a later date. First we need to iron out this division. I'm willing to go all out to convince Frank the things I suggested above. Will anyone else pledge to work and push them on Anthony?

Do we know much about him? Does anyone know him personally outside of NJ2AS? Is there any chance that he was trying to get a reaction from the group or is he really just crazy?

This was a (not NJ resident) friend's reaction regarding the story about the guy who was suggesting some radical/illegal activity and got himself banned. I'm not referring to Ron...I'm referring to the guy who you guys referenced about having suggested a citizens' arrest, etc...and then got angry when Frank booted him. Has anyone looked into him any further to see where he came from?

Fair enough. I'll give you that. But I think it will take effort from BOTH sides to calm down and work out their problems internally. The problem is with all of the public back and forth on Facebook (btw, I'm not referring to our discussions on this semi-private forum), everything is being kept in the open. If BOTH sides (Frank, Anthony, Ron, NJ2AS members, etc.) could keep their hostility to private messages and not repost private messages to the world, things could simmer down and both sides could move on, separately.

Wow...I didn't know about this detail until now. Thanks for providing it. Is there any chance that Anthony will rescind his statement and make peace with Frank and NJ2AS after learning this? If you don't mind posting it publicly, who was she? Do we know if she was a Brian Miller operative?

Of course! This is right out of the left's playbook. Infiltrate, divide, and conquer. If they truly have not infiltrated and we're doing this to ourselves, then we deserve to lose the future battles. Either way, I'm sticking with NJ2AS and I will continue fight for Anthony's and everyone else's 2A rights even if you guys chose to splinter off and bash NJ2AS' leadership and membership. I know Frank will see it that way, as well. I just hope that those of you who leave NJ2AS organize a similar organization and put your efforts towards the same goal of 2A freedom in NJ. There's nothing wrong with having multiple 2A organizations within the same state. NJ2AS has a good working relationship with ANJRPC and several other outdoors clubs (I can't remember all of their names off the top of my head). Even if you guys do not like our leadership, we could still have healthy working relationships. One group might target some laws while another group targets other laws. If it's going to get more people passionately involved, please go ahead...just make sure you actually DO something other than sit back and bash the groups that are trying to move forward!

Wait, I thought someone on here said that he talked to Anthony last night and confirmed that he did post that. Was it or was it not him? Please explain...