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The libs must love the fact that we have people ON OUR SIDE arguing about whether the top NJ pro-2A organization needs to disclose all of the details of its spending instead of having all of them fight WITH this organization against all of the anti-2A politicians and lobbyists! This is why we are losing the battle. Our opponents don't care about petty details like this as long as their organizations are pushing back firmly against us. Our side fights internally over whether we should make Excel charts...Maybe we do deserve to lose our rights.

Well said, Frank! That reminds me that I need to renew my (and my wife's) membership! I just got the reminder email last week. Keep fighting the good fight and the rest of us will continue to contribute wherever/whenever we can...hopefully more often than not!

If you own a primary (year round) residence in one part of the state and a beach house (for example) in another part of the state, you may legally keep guns (long or hand) at both locations simultaneously. The only catch is whether you make stops in transit when you initially transfer a handgun between properties. Make sure to fill your gas tank before you pack your bags and don't stop for dinner en route.

That doesn't sound too bad. Is it a shady part of Trenton - basically, will my car be safe? Or is it outside of the city? I don't know much about Trenton's neighborhoods, so a Google map search doesn't really tell me much.

Is parking difficult at TTN? This will be my first time flying from there, but it was $72 round trip per person vs. $250 at PHL (x2 since it's both my wife and me), so it's worth saving $300+ (even after the bag fees) to deal with a little confusion if that's what happens...as long as we don't get arrested. After researching Ohio's laws a bit more, it doesn't make sense for both my wife and me to bring our guns. I'll probably just bring mine since she still hasn't found a holster she likes (she's a 5'2", 105lb lefty so it's difficult to conceal anything and/or find a lefty holster) and pretty much every place we go in OH is posted no guns. OH's law backs the no gun postings, so it's not just a suggestion. The RNR HoF, Cleveland Zoo, Cleveland Clinic, Great Lakes Brewing Company, West Side Market...they all ban guns. So it's pretty much going to just stay in the car when we go anywhere and I'll at least be able to holster it walking to and from the hotel...assuming the hotel isn't also posted. I'm now starting to see what businesses in NJ would do if we even got shall-issue. They'd effectively ban it inside buildings on a store-to-store basis. Thanks to all of you guys for all of the information so far!

Ok, cool. Thanks guys for all of the info. I haven't had any problems flying out of Philly with a firearm, but this will be my first time flying out of NJ. Another question - my wife and I will only be checking one bag for both of us. Can we legally stow her gun AND my gun in the same bag? Or is the luggage "registered" to one person, only? I know this isn't official legal advice, but I'm just looking to see if any of you have any specific insight on this. Thanks!

The last post here was over a year ago so I'm hoping someone has had some experience with it since then. My wife and I have to fly out of Trenton to Ohio at some point and both of us have FID cards in NJ, legally purchased handguns (with PPPs), and Virginia CCW permits (reciprocal with Ohio). Will we have any problems checking them at the airport (and waiting in line for check-in with them in our luggage)? Do we need to have the name/address of a specific shooting range in OH to say that we're heading directly there?

What about arguments from other states? What if CA files an appeal based on the 7th's ruling and SCOTUS takes it up then upholds the 7th's ruling with strict wording calling out the justifiable need as an illegal requirement? Will that not push that ruling down onto NJ and the rest of the 3rd?

Kel-Tec P3AT (.380) or Ruger LCP (.380). Both are miniature, super light, and can be pocket holstered (Desantis Nemesis). It's the bare minimum caliber, but it will buy you time to get to the larger caliber gun that you have stashed somewhere closeby. And if you have kids, pocket holstering it allows you to still get on the ground and roll around with them without having to change anything. Personally, I don't keep on in the chamber when I'm with my kids. Practice racking the slide upon drawing it so that it becomes one instinctive fluid motion. The other nice thing about the pocket holster is that when you leave or come home, you don't have to unclip/clip it from/onto your belt/pants. Just take it out or slip it in.

Hey, thanks for checking into this with Nappen! His response holds more weight to me than the rest of all of our speculation combined since he is THE go-to in NJ.

Some very good points. All you would need is a neighbor to see your rifle case (or large Sig handgun case, since they're not small) and report it to the cops and things could get interesting...

Agreed, but my point was that if you open carry in a common area, people are going to freak out about it and make a fuss. If it was technically legal and you were concealed carrying, there would be no fuss, no calls to the police, etc. If there was an incident and you had to use it to defend yourself, especially in a situation where you have an outdoor common area and strangers off the street wander through drunk and start fights, frequently, my question is whether you'd be covered by the law.

You'd get the same reaction if you answered the door of a single family house open carrying... Btw, my original question was about the legality of concealed carrying, not open. I DEFINITELY agree that open carry in a common area is a bad idea, regardless of the law and its interpretation...unless you live in an open-carry friendly state and have either a permit or don't need one because of the law.

Am I reading this correctly for A2777 (firearms transportation)? So much for their "olive branch"!

I couldn't find this detail on State v Martinez, but was that case referring to a condo, apartment, or a house? Because with a house, even in NJ, you do not have to be inside the dwelling for carrying to be legal. You just need to be on your property, for example mowing the lawn, shoveling snow (driveway or walkway from front door, not public access sidewalk). What about your driveway? Anyone can freely visit your driveway, but it's private property and you can carry there. The property with which I am familiar is called a condo by name, but a portion of the common area is deeded, so I guess it is technically a co-op. It gets confusing, though, because technically the property is leased for 99 years from the developer. However, the structure and common area (pool, parking garage, balconies/stairwells) are fully owned by the individual condo owners, split evenly between them. There is no ownership/management company. All of the owners makeup the "condo association" in full, evenly divided between the number of units. I agree with you guys - this is way too technical to trust any laws or be the test subject, but it definitely makes for some interesting conversation and thought.

Guys, relax! I wasn't about to make myself into the lab rat to test this theory. I was just hypothesizing and looking to see if anyone had thought about this in the past or if there was any precedent. The last thing I'd do is risk my family's future by trusting anything that you guys say in an internet forum, no offense! I thought that the DE case brought up a good topic of conversation on something I believe was not discussed until now.

I wasn't saying that this ruling specifically applied to NJ. It just made me think about the condo "common area" issue in NJ since I've never seen it documented specifically before. Regarding personal property, condo association bylaws and even the deeds for condos state that the common area is owned by the owners of the condos and that each condo has a 1/x share in ownership, so yes, that is (shared) personal property. That being said, I understand what you guys are saying about the technicalities in NJ.

http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/crime/2014/03/18/nra-wins-delaware-supreme-court-ruling-on-public-housing-/6582109/ Ok, so regarding NJ's limitation on carrying a gun off of your property, how does our law apply to condo associations, specifically down the shore where immediately leaving one's private (owned) room means walking outside on a "common area" balcony, pool area, or stairwell? I understand this was SCODE and not a US District Court ruling, but does the same criteria apply in NJ? Consider that the owner of a condo is a partial owner (percentage based on number of units in complex) of all common areas. I'm not talking about open carrying where anyone would know, but CCW, especially while hanging outside at nighttime. No one would ever know unless an incident occured and it had to be used on common area (shared) property. Would the resident be charged with illegally carrying in public?

You mean like a CT-style ban and potential confiscation effort, funded by Bloomberg, Norcross, Soros, etc.? Buy all long guns out of state. PA State Police are not very likely to comply with a NJSP request for all PA FFL 4473 forms.

Just my 2 cents: One of my first guitars was an Epiphone LP-100 ~$300. I loved the thing starting out, but it had some quirky issues with the tuners slipping on me. My buddy had an Epiphone SG that he paid somewhere around $700 for (maybe a little more or less) and he still plays the thing today. I think the key is to go mid-high end on the Epiphone vs. low end Gibson. If you're wiling to spend $500-700, you can get something that you'll play forever. If you go on the very cheap end like I did, you'll always wish you spent $200 more. The upper end Epiphones are sometimes better than the low end Gibsons that cost way more because you're then just paying for the name. Like one of the other guys mentioned in an earlier post, you can always upgrade the electronics (pickups) down the line. One thing I recommend is looking for a used electric. You can normally find a good one at nearly half price. Too many guys get married, have kids, and get into financial trouble and then have to dump all of their gear. You can probalby pick up a very good used ax AND a decent combo amp for $500 or so. I ended up scoring a used Carvin SG-style for $200 from a recently married doctor whose new wife didn't want him playing anymore. He literally just wanted to give it away to get it out of the house since money wasn't an issue for him.

I just realized something. This bill does not exempt tubular magazines, does it? Does this mean that a rifle like a Marlin 60, pinned down to x (10<x<15) rounds, would now be illegal?

I think that's a fair analysis. Thank you for that response. I guess it all depends on your prosecutor. For those who live in Camden County, they would probably jump at the opportunity to prosecute a gun owner for forgetting to tie his shoe laces. But a good lawyer could probably convince a jury that it was due to ignorance and not malicious.

Ok, so here's an honest question. If they limit us to 10 round mags and so 15 rounders are now illegal, then what's the difference in punishment between getting caught with a 15 or 30 round mag? I would think that one who refused to comply might as well obtain 30 round mags, if the punishment is the same as getting caught with a 15 round mag. I couldn't find anything that stated that 30 was any MORE illegal than 15 per the bill. Just a thought...

I've been a strong believer in all long gun purchases going through an out of state FFL for years for this very reason. It really does suck, though, for local FFLs and that aspect of it makes me feel torn. I don't want our guys to lose business because of it.

Just passed this on to 10 others... I'll call on my lunch break today.