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And wait...THIS guy wants to be elected to the NRA Board of Directors? He'd be very wise to remove this post and apologize publicly to Frank and NJ2AS if he doesn't want US (the NJ2AS members who he just told off) running a public campaign against his election. Remember, many of us are NRA Life Members as well and members of the NRA Facebook group(s)...it wouldn't be hard to repost this on there for all of the other voting members to see...and I've already saved it off in case he decides to scrub it between now and the elections...

Honestly, I have not seen the Facebook posts (other than what was re-posted on here by, I think, Ryan) because I do not have access where I am right now, so, no, I'm not regurgitating anything from Facebook. Is it legal to use a copyrighted name of an organization as part of the name of a new group/organization? I would think that constitutes infringement, but maybe it doesn't. If it is used in a negative way and members of the group are pulled in involuntarily, as happens on Facebook with groups frequently, I would think at the very least there might be a case of libel, especially since, from what I understand, some of the members that were added to the group involuntarily and the purpose of the group was to cause damage to the NJ2AS organization. IANAL, but it appears that way to me...

You lost me on that one...I'm confused as to what I said that was wrong...I was being sincere, but apparently that was lost in electronic translation.

Good...thanks for the update. Was our (copyrighted) name removed from it, as well?

As a member of NJ2AS, I also take offense that a page was made mocking our membership. Whether the target was Frank or all of us, the entire organization was attacked in a public forum that undoubtedly is watched by our biggest political foes. In fact, until the group/site is removed entirely, we are being continuously mocked. This group should be taken down immediately or have its name changed to represent a personal vendetta against Frank and not the organization on the whole. Frank might have been under a tremendous deal of pressure at the busiest time of the year while trying to organize an event mostly by himself (without much help due to the lack of volunteers). Is it a crime for him to suggest that others actually take some responsibility if they want action on a topic? I agree that he should not have used names since many are thin skinned, but suggesting that others actually volunteer some time and organize something is exactly what I want the president of my organization to do. I see nothing wrong with that. If he (and/or the board) felt that it was in poor taste to have the organization's name tied to a rally immediately following a murder, then I would hope that he would decline attaching OUR group name to such a rally.

Ryan, Thank you for that unbiased, yet detailed explanation of how we got here. I was unaware of how the friction and disagreements started.

In Frank's defense, he always stated he did NOT want to lead the organization and he wanted to turn it over to someone else who was more willing. But again and again, nobody steps up to the plate. Everyone just complains about him without offering to take over and run it differently or better. He's stated consistently that he wants to spend more time with his family and grandkids and he has literally begged for people to offer to step up. The entire group would be willing to get behind a new president if someone with even half of Frank's passion stepped up, but for some reason everyone would rather just complain. Frank is human, not perfect, and he never claimed to be perfect or even a leader, yet he still has made more progress than anyone before him.

Thank you for reposting!

I was wondering the same since I was on Facebook last night until midnight and didn't see anything pertaining to this. I don't have access right now, which is why I asked that someone repost his statement on here.

I've never witnessed either of these (not that I'm saying they couldn't have happened), but even if they are entirely true, he has done more for our cause in NJ than possibly ANYONE in history. If you guys can't find someone who could do a better job, support him, but join the organization and volunteer, get on boards, be active. Do something instead of just complaining that HE isn't doing what you want.

For those of us without access to Facebook, would please someone repost on here what Frank posted announcing his resignation? My wife and I have met Frank countless times and had more than several phone conversations with him over the past 3 years. I'm very disappointed, sad, and shocked to this news. For those of you who aren't aware, Frank is retired from regular day jobs and has been putting a full-time effort into running this organization and standing up for ALL of us, regardless of whether you agree with everything he says or does. There is no single person replacement for Frank based on his time and effort. He put in the work of 10 part-time members AND as one person/face became a household name within our community in NJ. I sincerely hope that Frank rescinds his resignation and decides to stay with us. While anybody is technically replaceable, the effort to find someone as dedicated as Frank is a daunting task for all NJ2AS members.

http://www.woodlanddirect.com/Chimney/Top-Sealing-Chimney-Dampers/Lock-Top-Chimney-Cap-Damper I got one 2 years ago and my family room has been warmer than ever. It used to be an icebox.

He's right about SC regarding the legality of the console/glove box. I'd recommend still printing out the state law from SC's webpage. I would also recommend getting the reciprocity agreements from EACH state's Attorney General website. Getting a printout from Florida saying that VA is reciprocal won't mean anything to a VA cop. Print it off VA's site, and do the same for NC and GA.

Guys, I think you're overcomplicating the use of registration for police purposes in terms of avoiding a deadly confrontation. I would assume that they'd simply look at whether you had an FID to make the determination on whether you had anything in the house. This would account for almost all of the "registered" gun owners in NJ. While you don't need an FID to get a PPP, I'm sure 99% of those with PPPs already obtained FIDs (or did so concurrently). My gut feeling is that their registration is aimed at confiscation - whether for a PFA order (restraining order), domestic abuse complaint/threat, natural disaster, or real-life gun-grabbing politics.

This is why I'm a huge advocate for purchasing all long guns out of state or in private transfer. I know that's not what the FFLs here like to hear, but if Pennsy guys used the same logic and purchased their long guns from NJ FFLs, they'd get plenty of business there. It would take a significant effort for NJSP to confiscate 4473s from PA FFLs. Even better, buy long guns out in Wyoming or far, far away. I'd like to see those guys honor a request from NJSP....

Hey, guys. Thanks for all of the info and background on it. That pretty much answers my question and confirms most of my speculation. Have a great weekend!

Hey, guys. I was having a discussion with a coworker about private transfer of handguns in NJ with a PPP. As we all know, one copy gets submitted to the NJSP, one to the buyer's PD (if not under NJSP jurisdiction), the buyer keeps one, and the seller keeps one. Nothing gets submitted to the seller's PD. Considering that this paperwork is used explicitly for registration by your local PD, what happens to the pre-existing registration at the seller's PD? They would have no knowledge, unless contacted by NJSP, that he ever sold that handgun. Obviously he'd have to keep a good track of his own paperwork in case they ever came knockin', but it's definitely possible for duplicate registrations of the same handgun throughout the state. Similarly, when one moves to a different township and applies for a change of address FID, does the registration paperwork from the previous township get forwarded to the new one? Obviously, if he/she never applies for an FID, it would still sit at the original location. I'm just wondering how accurate the municipal registration records can actually be with these caveats. I think it's great, personally, if their registration system is useless since I feel that it serves no legitimate purpose other than confiscation, but I'm still curious as to how they handle these different situations.

Cherry Hill just announced a new Chief of Police, Capt. William "Bud" Monaghan. I was wondering if anyone knows him personally or knows anything about him. We're hoping he's 2A friendly, but he hasn't been tested, yet, to my knowledge. As you guys probably already know, for FID/PPP, Cherry HIll currently requires an illegal and frustrating consent form for next-of-kin (aka Spousal Consent Form) and they also require both the next-of-kin (normally the spouse) and both references to have their forms notarized before they are accepted. I was typically getting (relatively reasonable) 2-3 month turn-arounds on my requests, but this time I didn't place any status calls along the way, just to see how long it would take. I submitted my forms in July (and my references got their forms back right away) and I have yet to hear from the PD so far (as of 12/9/13). If this new Chief of Police is more 2A friendly than his predecessor, we may have some opportunity for an easy and amicable outcome with NJ2AS's Operation Establish Compliance (OEC) which has not taken on Cherry Hill, so far. http://www.cherryhill-nj.com/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=418

Can anyone type up a short summary for those of us who were unable to make it? If it's important to keep it internal to the group (from a strategic perspective), don't post it here.

I have one in every car, got them for my parents' cars, have one in my hunting bag, one in my range bag. For $9 on Amazon (approx. when I bought mine) you might as well have one everywhere that you or a family member may get cut/injured. I never used it (so far), but it has to be better than nothing in an emergency.

[begin rant] That is exactly why we need to stay here and fight this fight. I consider it our patriotic duty to protect the United States from these radicals who threaten our Constitution. If we all bail and leave to freer ground, NJ will be completely ruined (worse than it is) and all of the anti-gun money and efforts will move to PA and other currently free states. They'll tackle one state at a time as the formerly free residents flee for greener grass. Then they'll keep moving on, like a steamroller. While is sucks for us, we are literally protecting the rest of the country by putting up the damn best fight we can and giving them the hardest time we can when they try to pass these things. Should Lonegan have not run? Should we have let Booker save his $12 million and walk right into the office? No way. We keep the pressure on them at all times, even if we don't win the majority of battles. If we push hard enough, their victories will start to be Pyrrhic since they'll have to spend so much money and effort on winning. We are all volunteers - we do this for our families, state, and country - and we do not tire. The other side fights with resources, so let them keep spending themselves into exhaustion. Did we handily defeat the British in the Revolutionary War? No - they grew tired of dealing with our resistance and gave up. Let THEM grow tired of fighting us. We should NEVER grow tired of fighting them. [end rant]

I think 7/11 is actually cheaper than TD. TD is a ripoff. There's a 7/11 on Chapel Ave, right down the street from CHPD. It's like $2, so figure $20 each time you apply. Very interesting that you didn't have any extra paperwork. No next of kin form? CHPD always gives that out. As of this past August, they were still using it...

^ this. You need to file a formal record of events at your local PD. Write down all of the details and go back any time there are future incidents to update the file. If you don't want them to approach him, let them know that. But tell them that you just want it on file in case he does escalate anything. Do NOT say anything to them like, "if he takes it any further, I'll have to shoot him!" or something, because then you're premeditating and that will come back to bite you should anything unfortunate happen by chance. If the guy does keep pushing and attacks you or your family in a way that justifies physical self defense, having this file days, weeks, or months ahead of time with consistent updates will go a long way in keeping you out of a courtroom or even worse, jail.

Amy was the aide with whom I spoke, as well. She was very polite and respectful and actually made me feel like she appreciated my input. Guys, remember to call multiple times per day, every day. Since they're not taking down your info, keep calling. You know the antis are doing that, so why don't we, too?

2013 Hunting Digest is out! http://www.njfishandwildlife.com/dighnt13.htm