JackDaWack

Range report. Me and a friend went to go test out the beretta today, were both noobs, but damn did we have fun! All i can say is this gun is very user friendly, we both shot 50 rounds through it each and not a single issue. Apparently we're both naturals cause at 10yrds we were hitting the target with an 8" spread, given a few strays here and there, but were getting the hang of it. I brought him with me to try out my pistol to see if he liked it, he's still waiting for his PD to give him his permits and ID card, and he really enjoyed the beretta. For giggles we set up the target at about 20yrds to see how good we could shoot, i was aiming for the head on the target, and got about a 4" spread on the neck, so i need to take bullet drop into consideration, but it seems i have good center aim, seems like our aim was just getting better and better the more rounds we put down range. Now the only problem that persists is the itch to go back, and i can already feel my pockets getting lighter.

My friends PD has been telling him that they are still waiting for the state police and FBI criminal History report to come back, which in my opinion is total BS... mine was sent to my PD in 3 weeks, hes been waiting months. Is there any way to check if the reports have been completed and cleared and sent to the local PD? I'm under the impression they have everything they need, but there just letting the paper work sit there. He's friends with the sgt at the PD, but apparently had an unpleasant run in with the Lt. once which is why we think there giving him the cold shoulder. Before he takes an legal action he wants to make sure they can't pull the were still waiting for the reports to come back card. When he called the sgt. up about what was actually happening, he said don't annoy the Lt. and that was it. Nothing about whether or not the Lt. was actually telling it how it was. The issue is really that they havnt even processed the initial application, because non of his references have even been contacted yet. Where as my references were contacted a week after my application was handed in, i hadnt even been fingerprinted yet.

It really depends on what your buying, Most of the beretta's are heavily discounted on buds, but not sure about the others. Most 92's go for about 100 bucks more in store then online, and they have shipping built into the price. It also depends on where your shipping it to and how much they charge for transfers. If you find your only saving a few bucks then it is in my opinion better to support the local guys, but then again they probably make the same profit margins by charging transfer fees. Then you have to think about tax. When i went to buy my beretta it came out to 750 at the store out the door. I ordered it from buds and had the gun for $630 out the door and i got the more expensive model, store price was for a 92fs, but i ordered the m9a1 from buds, so i got an even better deal. I could have paid even less if i went the cash route with buds, but i didnt want to wait and paid the 3% with a CC.

That gold tiger cammo deagle is pretty bad a**, i don't think i would ever fire that piece tho.

Hopefully i will be able to get out to the range by the end of the week. Thinking maybe friday midday/afternoon at the bullet hole. I've never fired a handgun before so it should be interesting. Been reading up on safety protocol, and watching some vids on how to shoot, should be interesting, im a quick learner.

Just got back from my FFL Dealer!! M9A1 15rd mags :icon_e_biggrin:

AHHH!! i just saw your post for tonights meet! Can we meet up next tuesday? I'm picking up my Beretta tomorrow, so next week i'll have something of my own to shoot.

It's funny how i hear horror stories from some PD's. And mine has been such a great PD to work with it is kinda confusing.... My PD just gave me the paper work and said u can apply for as many permits as you want, and gave me the basics for why i may be denied a permit, domestic violence and everything. When i dropped off the paper work the Lt. wasnt interested in anything but signing it and having me pay the money for the permits. And when i picked up the permits 3 weeks after my fingerprinting, the officer and i had a bout a 20min conversation on gun laws and how to avoid getting into a sticky situation. Now mind you i live in a very wealthy area, where the police respond to more domestic violence crimes then anything, maybe a once a year bank robbery takes the cake. So i was very surprised they were so willing to help a 24 year old get permits for a pistol, in a town where nothing really happens. However, we get a decent amount of home robberies, although 99% of them are when the home owners are away. Now my friend, who lives a town over, which boarders Paterson, has been jumping through hoops to get his FID and permits, he still hasn't received them 3 months now. You would think they would be willing to help in high crime areas, and not so much in the low crime areas, but it seems to be the exact opposite.

76.92!

Think of it as baby steps. If the bill did get passed, the fact it's already revising current legislation makes for a sound argument of it being revised again. In NJ nothing is done over night. Hell, if they want money, charge $200 and you'll make more money on the sheer volume of people applying. One thing at a time, making it easier to get permits alone is a huge step. Think of it this way, if you wont spend the money on it just pretend it never happened, and NJ is still a chitty state.

Through regulation of the Bill. The bill i don't believe will state a specific amount of money. It will probably be a revision of the current bills in place for CCW. People can contest the bill in which it favors a certain group of people(the wealthy), and that's not a hard argument with a price tag like that. NJ passed medical marijuana bill a little while ago, but the bill is still being revised and regulations are still being put in place(who would of thought?). So there is still a fight even after the bill is passed. It's important to understand that the initial bill passed is not always the one put into legislation, there are many steps a bill undergoes after it is initial passed. Unless you guys got a better idea? Beggars can't be choosers.

This was Chritie before he was a Governor, personally i hate the guy, hes a total piece of crap when it comes to doing the right thing. He talks about how important it is to cut back spending, yet he gives his staff raises for doing nothing productive, in my opinion he is one of those guys who doesnt take his own advice, and believes what he says only applies to every one else. Typical POS politician

This isn't the point really, what i'm saying is take advantage of the system just like they do. The bill is just a bill, once it's passed it undergoes regulation. There is where we will make the stand on the ethics of paying for our rights. Let the democrats believe they will get something out of it so they pass the bill, then pull a 180 when it comes to regulation. The bill will be very basic in comparison to the regulation of a carry permit, let them pass the bill under the impression they will get lots of money, then we can up hold regulations that are fair to the public.

Knowing christie, he will be for ccw, he will take no thought on the matter and say i am republican i have to do this.

I say let the bill pass, with the $500 dollar price tag. Then we can fight the price down, act all supporting for now, and then once it's passed we can act all angry about being extorted. To me this option is better then no option, and once the bill is passed, regulations will be made, and im certain the price will drop because like others have stated 500 buck is a lot of money especially in NJ economy.

Good point. I guess i misinterpreted the laws, i just read through them and thinking about it while i read it's pretty clear.

Disorderly persons, in NJ, is a misdemeanor. You get this when your drunk, and get caught taking a piss on a tree.lol. They may give you a hard time with it, possibly deny you, but if you appealed it you would probably win.

I'm not sure if they will except "N/A" for your SBI number. If your buying a gun in NJ from someone who doesn't have an SBI number, then you would be purchasing an unregistered handgun, the police could go and arrest the person who sold it to you for being in possession of a unregistered handgun with out proper permits. By law she is supposed to either obtain the proper permits, or hand the guns over to an FFL. Best bet would be to take the Guns to a FFL and have them transfer the handguns over to you, the rifles wont have to tho. Your SBI number tells authorities who is who in there enormous database, If you didn't give them your SBI number, they wouldn't know who you are. Guess how many John Smiths they have in there data base.? Now, on the other end, they need the sellers SBI becuase they have to go into the database and remove the registration and move it to you. Local Pd's, and i was explained this by the officer who did my paperwork, that it's important they receive proper paper work for purchase of handguns, since they keep it all on file. If i sold one of my guns, i would tell them and have them remove the registration from my file. Like he told me, the usually have a lot of permits on file for people who don't actually own the guns anymore, and it can make for a mess.

State police operate within there statutes. And federal within there's. If the state wanted to work off Federal Law they would have to call Federal authorities to prosecute. This way the state can do there own prosecution becuase they have there own laws in place. However, i have yet to find any specific NJ statues that underline A felon in possession of a firearm and the consqences. All i have found and like most others is the statue regarding FID cards and that they will not be granted to a felon. Now that doesn't mean they don't exists. I have had a hard time finding all the laws in NJ, The AR statues alone are almost impossible to find unless someone tells you where to locate them. The best way to explain this would be to compare it to California. There Marijuana is Medically legal, however federally it is still a class one controlled substance...making it top priority. If Cali wanted to prosecute anyone using medical Maryjay, they would have to call the DEA and have them do the prosecuting.

Sorry, immigrants got the crumbs, we are left with a dirty plate.

Pistols may be a whole different story. I know on the pistol permit it specifically asks for information only a FID holder would have.

Count me in!

Is there any way to see if the State police and FBI processed your background checks? Because the only thing that exempts the PD from the 30 Day rule is if they don't receive the info from them, and with the new digital fingerprinting it takes about 3 weeks, not 3 months.

Are you guys sure about this? Most of the laws i have read through don't say anything about possessing a firearm, just possessing a card and permits. And you can go rent a gun somewhere with out a FID card..How would they know if you were a felon or not if you didnt say anything? Just on another note: People under 21 cant have handguns in NJ, yet i've seen parents out buying handguns for there teenagers. As long as the gun is legally owned by a registered FID holder with permits, i see no reason why you can't let some one shoot it at your discretion, although its your a** if something goes wrong. Maybe federally it's illegal which could be deterrent enough, but i don't think state law, at least in NJ, is as clear as federal. I mean it's one thing to have the state police show up at the range, but the chances of the ATF showing up is much smaller.

I'm pretty sure it's illegal. Like said if it has a stock, its a short barrel rifle. Even if you could find one with out a stock and was semi-auto, i'm sure NJ would still give you a hard time. The whole point of the MP5 is to put a stock on a pistol combined with a long barrel, and rapid fire. I don't see much interest in a semi-auto non-stock version. The best answer would be to contact some one who could give you legal advice about it, since NJ laws are pretty general, the end user gets screwed a lot becuase there made to be in favor of interpretation by the state. So what may seem cut and past to you, isn't to them. Lots of Mumbo Jumbo in those laws, some as stupid as a marking on the side of the gun could make it legal/illegal. What makes it even more difficult is finding the law/regulation you need to be certain of. The state website has the general outline for owning a gun, but that's about it, the finer detail is harder to find.