Dan

I shot one a few years back. It was heavy, had very little recoil (from being heavy). Overall it was fun to shoot. That being said, it didn't seem very practical to me.

Seemed a little made for the internet to me, B acting.

If you are referring to me.. In no way have I even hinted that LEO should use discretionary enforcement when it comes to illegal possession. I'm merely stating that laws in general are selectively enforced at LEO's discretion, and juries can selectively apply laws in court cases (giving a not guilty even when it is clear the law was broken in its literal sense).

Not sure where we got derailed here. The conversation was regarding if it is right or wrong for a jury in some cases to give a not guilty verdict when in fact someone broke a gun law in a literal sense of the wording of the law. I am not looking to start a mass civil disobedience or anything like that, and start proclaiming people should just start disregarding laws. Just saying when people do get caught up, and it does wind up in court, I hope the jury weighs the literal and spirit of the laws being applied in the case. Same goes for the judge when sentencing. No matter how evil the state legislators that drew up our gun laws are, I sure hope their original intent was not to lock up an upstanding citizen for stopping at his parents for dinner with a gun in the trunk before heading to the range for instance. Also, there is no argument that NJ laws are absurd and need to be changed. It is not very constructive to disagree with a hypothetical situation. No matter how far fetched, IF it did happen and you were on the jury, would you vote to send him to prison or not. If it makes you feel better substitute with something else, like my example above... stopping at parent's/friend's house to grab dinner... or taking your rifle to your friend's house for help lining up a scope.. etc

I'm not debating the how serious the difference is in going 5mph over the speed limit versus misplacing a gun in your trunk, just the concept. I understand it is serious that he didn't realize he left a handgun in the car. Now is it the intent of the law is to send him to prison for 7 years for doing it.

You feel the intent of the law is to punish this guy in the example? Keep him from his kids for 7 years, permanent record, probably screw up his career, take away his right to ever own firearms for an honest mistake? There is also something called selective enforcement aka. police discretion. In which a LEO could decide to not apply the letter of the law under the circumstances. Examples are typically found in small infractions, such as a LEO not pulling you over for 1MPH over the speed limit; getting caught with fireworks on the 4th of July and not arresting you. By the letter of the law you are guilty and should get a ticket/arrested. I'm just giving examples of how it is plausible to be caught breaking the law, yet not have action taken against you. What is the difference of the LEO not charging you with the law you obviously broke (selective enforcement/discretion), or a jury applying it in court by issuing a "not guilty" decision in court. Are the police somehow allowed to do this and citizens are not? In both situations it is obvious you broke the law, and the outcomes are similar... you get off free.

There is a concept called Letter and Spirit of the law. Following the letter of the law is in to follow in the literal as the words are written. Following the spirit of the law is to apply the law with the intent of the law's creators in mind. I pose this hypothetical question. Family guy, 2 kids, no prior record, no obvious evidence of malicious activity, avid pistol shooter and likes to take 3-4 pistols to the range at a time... a pistol case containing an unloaded handgun fell behind some boxes in his trunk. It's there for a few days. Coming home from work, gets pulled over, submits to a search of the vehicle (LEO asked because the car fits a description of one in the area involved in a situation). Cop finds the pistol. Do you think it is the intent of the NJ gun laws' creators for this person to be sent to prison for 7 years because he/she had a handgun in their trunk locked in a bag, and forgot to remove it the last time they went to the range? They after all where not going to and from a place of target shooting or repair, etc. In the literal sense they are guilty. This could really happen to anyone. Is it really the intent of the law in this case?

Bolt gun you can have anything you want. Folding stock, detachable mag, threaded barrel, flash hider, pistol grip. you name it. Evil rules only apply to semiautomatics.

Don't forget. The muzzle break will have to be pin/welded on to make it permanent. Just having a threaded barrel on a M1A is a no-no if you put a pistol grip on it. These laws are there to protect you. Imagine the kind of skin pinch you could get if you slipped while trying to take off your muzzle device one day.... NJ is so concerned with your safety that they make it a felony punishable up to 10 years in prison. Isn't that so nice of them!

Seems they are now twisting Joe's heroic actions in an anti-gun spin. Amazing. The anti-gunners are akin to vultures. How they have a clear conscious while twist and exploit this tragedy is beyond me. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41018893/ns/slatecom/

Ouch. Hope he heals up well.

Glad your dog will be OK, I can empathize with you as I have a bit of a injury prone dog also. What happened to your Greyhound?

Thanks for the feedback all. I may go with a air-dry duracoat option. It uses a hardening agent that you mix at the time of application in lieu of the baking process of the shaker can gun-kote. I would have to invest in a media blaster, compressor (properly sized), and airbrush setup. I'm looking at a ~$450 setup here. Seems most places that I have found are charging $200+ per rifle to finish. If I have two rifles, looks like it may make sense to to the DIY route and make the investment. I've decided to wait until spring, so I'll re-evaluate at that time.

I've tried both CJRPC (Central Jersey Rifle and Pistol Club) and OBRPC (Old Bridge Rifle and Pistol Club). I went with CJRPC because I feel their facilities are superior and offer more. This even with OBRPC's rifle range being literally 10min from my house. I have to travel about 50min to CJRPC. If you are in Freehold, they may be equidistant to you. Just my opinion. Nothing wrong with either club, its just what I decided on.

First, I believe these types of people if allowed to continue on would carry out their evil deeds no matter what you outlaw or make illegal. Just look on the inet of the videos of disturbed people ramming into crowds of people with their vehicles. They will find a way. There is no amount of government oversight/control that can filter out all of the potentially dangerous mentally ill people. Did the military know he was loony , probably. Did the school that kicked him out, I'm sure they had an indication he was off the deep end. Now who's responsibility is it to go capture this guy and admit him to a psychiatric hospital? Perhaps a government reporting hotline that schools, military, employers could call in anonymous concerns about the mental health of the people they encounter? Pretty scary if it comes to that, the potential for abuse is disturbingly high. There is a whole quagmire of issues to deal with around how this would go down. How would someone like to be dragged away from their home because someone with malicious intentions "called in" that they think the person fit a violent mental illness profile? Even if you are out with a clean bill, now you have a record for being admitted... I firmly believe that family and friends are the best that we have in terms of heading these things off. Catching the ones that slip through the cracks so to speak. Education and helping to raise people's awareness of what to look for early on so they can get their friend or family member some help would probably go much further than any other Nanny State legislation the govt can dream up. The real challenge after that is getting people to care, a value that I feel is waning in our society as a whole.

I feel terrible for all those who lost someone in this tragedy. I also feel outraged that anti-gun politicians are demonstrating that they are all to eager to use this tragedy to promote their personal agendas.

Gotcha, media blasting with glass beads. The parts are basically everything but the receiver on two rifles. One surface is stainless steel, so that won't need bead blasting. The other has some type of black coating from the factory that isn't the best and has some areas that don't look that great. I would like to choose a color that I like, something like coyote in the Gun-Kote options. Nickel plating isn't the look I'm going for even it if is a good quality finish, but thanks. I know there are options to send the parts in to a company that does these types of things. I'm really looking to see if there is a local shop in NJ that offers this service. Or if there is a DIY person out there that I could work with that owns the equipment and enjoys these types of projects and wouldn't mind a few extra $$'s.

I'm thinking of using Gun-Kote from Brownells to coat a few gun parts. I've read quite a bit on it, and it seems to be very popular and well liked by many for its durability and looks. I have a few issues. The sand blasting of the parts, and the oven. I'm thinking its not a good idea to use my kitchen oven for obvious reasons. I also don't own the media blasting equipment, as the parts have some factory garbage coating that needs to be removed. I haven't tried paint remover just yet... Does anyone here on the forums offer a gun coating service using Gun-Kote or similar product? Or perhaps anyone withe the equipment , namely sand blasting stuff, and a "project" oven? I'd be willing to compensate for the usage. Thanks

You think they want to start a fight with Russia? I can see them wanting energy and other natural resources from them, but I'm sure it would come at a great cost. More important, they would be risking it going nuclear. Putin is nuts, he just may push the button. My theory is all this buildup is to deter the US and anyone else from interfering in their regional business using "battleship diplomacy". For instance, if their gradual govt takeover of Taiwan doesn't work out, and they have to use the military option. They want to deter our fleet from getting too close by use of air, sub, ground based ASM's , sub torpedos, and that new anti-ship ballistic missile. I believe they want to have such an anti-ship capability in excess , as to make it an easy decision for the US to not approach Taiwan to offer military assistance.

Thanks for the info! I'm new to this, but your point seems valid to me. There is plenty of room for the scope to go lower. These mounts came with the scope, figures they aren't the best for my setup. Anyway. I'm having a heck of a time finding affordable 35mm "low" rings. I've found these at Midway, but $111 that's pretty steep. I'll keep looking but if anyone can find affordable "low" rings for a 35mm tube, I'd appreciate it!

I have these also. They work great for the $$. Just know that they are very sensitive to electronic interference, like from fluorescent lights. You may hear a slight hum. At least mine do...

Salivating.... Nearly 70 year old design, and still an excellent weapon even by today's standards.

I use the boresnake to get the initial crude out after a run of a wet patch. I'll then do my wet/dry patch routine, with brass brush if needed. Then use the snake again. I always wipe the snake in a clean cloth between uses, sometimes with a little solvent on the cloth. I haven't heard this before, could you explain further as i'm very curious. I agree you want to get any solvent out with a dry patch. But I always run a wet patch of Eezox down the bore for corrosion protection. Also before I go shooting, sometimes I run a patch of Militec down the barrel. I always dry the chamber, as I know wet lube in the chamber is not good. The shell needs to have some friction with the chamber (learned this from my M1A maintenance guide).

There's always the theory/marketing and reality. That's why I thought the comments , although fluffed over, were interesting. Indicating the EBR setup was a problem. Personally I like the tacticool look, but anything that increases complexity without a commensurate increase in capability... probably isn't worth having your life depend on it.

Good article on the M14 usage in Iraqistan here. They are hooked up to the hilt with EBR stocks and nice glass. The comments on the weight and maintenance complexity on the EBR system are interesting.