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More gun control? Camden is currently ranked the 2nd most dangerous city in the U.S. and has had 16 homicides in the last two months and about 42 so far for the year. Yeah, that gun control thing is really working... NOT! I guess the criminals just don't get it.

It was a revolver and the LEO couldn't safely unload it? (I wonder if it was SAO.) Thumbs down to the guy who brought a loaded gun to the airport check point! (You are hurting the cause dude.)

"Here she goes"... I guess that's why they call her Whine-berg.

I "disliked" the Fix Gun Check video also. (Video comments have now been disabled). -I guess he doesn't want to hear from us anymore. :mail:

IMHO... We as a country have drifted away from the true meaning and intent of the 2A and we are not going to get back to that place in one giant leap. Our way back will be on a road (perhaps a long road) of legal battles that will one day culminate in a SCOTUS ruling that will affirm what we already know to be true. Public support is a definite plus and by moving forward with legislation that seems "reasonable" to the average person will go a long way in advancing our position. One thing HR 822 would do is put the Federal Government on record by de facto in affirming that the average citizen (not just LEO's etc) has a right to carry a firearm on their person (whether concealed or otherwise is not the real issue.) It would also establish the fact in federal law that a majority of states already recognize the right to carry (hence the basis for the law in the first place). If this bill passes it will only be the beginning. It is sure to be challenged in court.

I'm for it. (HR 822 that is) Pass it while you can... Get something done. It's not perfect, it doesn't redress 40-50 years of anti-gun law, but let's start somewhere. Once passed, and the anti-gun scare tactics of gloom and doom don't materialize then maybe more people will see the light. Perhaps it will lead to a serious dialog concerning 2A rights. If we don't act now and those nutty liberal politicians get there way, then just talking about guns on forums like this will be banned.

Wow! Great job. Wish I was in that kind of shape. I'm tired just thinking about it. lol

IMHO I think PA will be a tougher nut to crack. Unlike NJ, PA is a Commonwealth and each county is a separate entity. To affect firearms law at the state level it would probably involve making a major change to the PA Constitution which would be extremely difficult. To bring a constitutional amendment to the voters it has to be voted on twice by both houses of government. In two separate sessions it has to pass by a majority vote before it can be placed on a ballot for a general election. <cite: ballotpedia.org>

Thanks, that's good to know. (Sometimes this legal stuff drives me nuts.)

I'm still confused as to whether an airsoft gun is a firearm in NJ. Is there a specific law that exempts them? The NJ airsoft forums are in debate daily over the legality of airsoft. And if you go to Weapons Charges John Marshall (a criminal lawyer in Toms River NJ) says "Although Airsoft and other rubber pellet guns and rifles can be found at flea markets, sporting good stores and department stores, they are considered Firearms under N.J.S.A. 2C:39-1 as they fire a projectile using high compression." I'm not sure what to believe. If they are firearms and you wanted to purchase an airsoft pistol you would need a permit to purchase a handgun. But if sporting goods stores in NJ sell them without requiring a permit then it would seem that they are legal and are not firearms. If they are legal then I should be able to buy one over the internet or in PA. I just saw a seller on ebay who states he can't ship airsoft to NJ because they are illegal here. I know there are places I can purchase them in NJ, PA or from other internet retailers without a hassle, but as legal technicalities go it seems a grey area. This is another example of NJ's vague and archaic laws that we are forced to endure.

(I could tell the kids to stay upstairs at night, but they don't always listen to me... I'm only their dad ) These days you can have a burglar alarm, security lights, cameras, dogs etc... and your not immune to some of the nuts running the streets. As I get older I worry more about home invasions than burglaries. When does an area become a bad area... it may only takes one day if your the victim. Thanks for the advice, no hard feelings. Sometimes my writing doesn't reflect it but I'm generally not harsh or adversarial by nature ...but I do love to debate.

I hear what your saying, and I have no desire to shoot anyone. Only out of necessity would I do so and only to protect the life of my family or myself from imminent danger. Circumstances would force me to it. I'm not trigger happy nor am I a careless individual and I've given a lot of serious thought to the matter of owning a handgun. That is why I want to practice safety in the home. I'm not running around the house in camo's playing cops. There must be some people who practice with training firearms and all I wanted to know is what most people recommend.

No offense taken. I appreciate the advice. We belong to an indoor range and shoot as often as we can. (All the bedrooms are upstairs but sometimes one of my grown kids might be sleeping on the couch.) Our basic plan is as you said... stay put, call 911, and guard the stairs. I wouldn't go downstairs unless I had to go down. I wouldn't try and clear a room if I didn't have to. -But, things don't always go as planned. If one of my daughters is downstairs screaming for help then I've got to go down. My wife will have to stay put, arm herself and watch the stairs. Heaven forbid that scenario will ever happen and odds are it won't but I'd rather have a plan than just wing it. I want a plan so that "IF" I had to go down those stairs I could do it safely. Also I don't want my wife to shoot me by accident either, so if we both occasionally practice some "what if" scenario's we could address any obvious mistakes in our gun handling ability and figure the safest direction to point a weapon when in different locations of the house. We wouldn't practice swat team drills or commando tactics, primarily it's for safe gun handling.

So to be legal (not a firearm), a spring gun must fire a projectile larger 3/8 inches in diameter? N.J.A.C. 13:54-1.2 Definitions "Firearm or firearms" means any handgun, rifle, shotgun, machine gun, automatic or semi-automatic rifle, or any gun, device or instrument in the nature of a weapon from which may be fired or ejected any solid projectable ball, slug, pellet, missile or bullet, or any gas, vapor or other noxious thing, by means of a cartridge or shell or by the action of an explosive or the igniting of flammable or explosive substances. It shall also include, without limitation, any firearm, which is in the nature of an air gun, spring gun or pistol or other weapon of a similar nature in which the propelling force is a spring, elastic band, carbon dioxide, compressed or other gas or vapor, air or compressed air, or is ignited by compressed air, and ejecting a bullet or missile smaller than three-eighths of an inch in diameter, with sufficient force to injure a person. That means I could buy one in PA or over the internet?

That's what we're trying to do, develop a plan. Unfortunately, "real" training classes cost quite a bit of money especially for two people and I don't have it at this time. So we need to have an interim plan. We can't train ourselves in all the aspects of home defense, but we can practice basic safety procedures to insure we don't sweep the gun across ourselves or others etc. Obviously the home is different than the range... and we need to be familiar with how we would proceed should we have to draw a weapon there. In a two story home with a basement and walk-in attic we have to be very careful where we point our handguns; there are others in the house besides my wife and I. (Classes would be the best thing and I'd take them all if I could, but I can't afford it.)

If I'm not mistaken, the one downside for Airsoft is that it require's a Permit to Purchase a Handgun. I'd hate to use them for practice pistol's instead of the real thing. I mean once you factor in the fees for SBI and the permit application you're already into $20 per person before you even purchase anything and then you're limited by what you can get locally in NJ.

My wife and I were thinking of buying a training weapon for practicing in home safety and tactical drills. *Plastic replicas seem good for retention drills or movement drills for clearing a room or working in tandem with another person. But they are not mechanically functional and offer no trigger control. *Training barrels seem like a cheaper alternative but I'm not sure if they are durable. We've read comments that claim they crack or break easily. *I hear Airsoft pistols have the weight and functionality of normal firearms but can be a more costly alternative. *Snap caps are good for dry fire and malfunction drills but are not quite what we'd feel comfortable with in other modes of training (especially with another person). What do you recommend?

Thumbs down to Cory Booker.

I've read various information concerning whether Florida will accept a DD214 in lieu of a Firearms Training or Hunters safety course. Some have said that it must list your firearms training on your DD214. Contacted Florida Bureau of License Issuance via email with the following question: Do you accept all DD214s with an HONORABLE discharge? My DD214 is from 1981 and doesn't specifically list any firearms training that I had. Answer: Your DD214 is acceptable. (As of today 10/20/2011 they accept all Honorable discharge papers ie. DD214's to fulfill the firearms safety requirement.)

I get 11/21 as the 31st day. (10/21 + 30 days is 11/20 (31 days in October). This new math hurts my head...

Great video! It encapsulates the problems with NJ's current gun laws. It's a great way to introduce others to the issue's that gun owners face without getting up on a soapbox and lecturing to them. Well done.

When I said "I understand" I meant that I understand that they might want restrictions in large cities as does Philadelphia. I don't agree with it but I do understand their having a desire to restrict it. If they were reasonable about it they could have come up with a compromise. What I don't understand is why open carry an unloaded firearm in the first place. It's like they interpreted the 2A as giving us the right to have firearms but not bullets. California's current anti-gun policies don't seem to be working too well... Today's news, "8 killed in Southern California salon shooting". (I'm sure they will argue that this tragedy happened because current laws don't go far enough.)

This is somewhat off topic, but it illustrates the point that our politicians have run amok. Todays News...... Vermont Sen. Patrick Leahy says he's planning to introduce legislation to make it a federal crime for people to mislabel products as containing maple syrup. Is there no end to the insanity? Whether California, Vermont or New Jersey, things are getting out of hand.

This type of legislation is so ill-conceived. I could understand some restriction to "open carry" in large cities like Los Angeles. Although under the previous law you could open carry but the gun had to be "unloaded", which kind of defeats the purpose of carrying in the first place. I used to live in California (years ago) and it is a huge state to say the least. Out in the Mojave desert you can be 20 miles or more from the nearest town... and now you can't open carry in the middle of nowhere? I understand Law Enforcement Officers want to make their job safer and easier, but many times their solution is to ban something altogether instead of finding a fairer and more reasonable solution. They could have made a new law to ban open carry in large cities BUT give the o.k. to open carry "loaded" firearms everywhere else. At least they could have some give and take. -Glad I don't live there anymore.

I'm thinking of buying a .22LR Rifle. My primary use would be for fun shooting sessions at the range while leaving the option open for small game (varmint) hunting. 1.) I always liked the look of the lever action models... but if you use one to hunt with, wouldn't working the lever create too much noise? I mean wouldn't you scare off your game? I guess this question would also apply to pump action as well. 2.) I've read that you must not let the hammer fall on an empty chamber while using a rimfire rifle (or pistol) because you will damage the firing pin. How do you keep from firing on an empty chamber? What if you lose count of the rounds you've shot? Do any rimfire rifles have a safety feature that keeps you from firing on an empty chamber when you run out of ammo? 3.) Most .22 rifles I've seen so far look really small/short (they look about the same size as a bb gun). Is size an issue? If so, do they make them in different lengths? 4.) Is .17HMR a better choice than .22LR?