Old Glock guy

My bad, as I must confess to not having read the entire bill. That additional clause makes a world of difference.

OMG, it's depressing to see all these bills that were defeated last year coming back again. Is this open season on legal gun owners?

OK, I'll admit you've gotten me thinking about it. How is that one they have been advertising on television all the time recently?

That was my first thought.

This one could backfire on us, as the current law permits some wiggle room, while this would eliminate it by specifically defining what stops are permissible.

Well, it's certainly nice to dream, but don't hold your breath waiting for it to happen. I think our only hope is a favorable ruling by SCOTUS some day. I only hope I live long enough to see it happen.

Thanks for posting that Anthony. It helps those of us who are not on the inside (or on Facebook) to get an idea of what's going on. I've been a member of NJ2AS for a couple of years, gone to some meetings, taken days out of my office to attend political rallies, and donated money. I have had a few superficial exchanges with Frank, and quite honestly, I have never seen that side of him. I have found him to be the energy behind the organization, and a good spokesman for our cause. I was one of the people who contacted him not long ago to encourage him to use NJ2AS to help coordinate our push to file a load of CCW apps. He agreed to it reluctantly, only after taking time to give it serious scrutiny. So the idea that some people have that he pushed a bunch of us to apply for permits, while not doing so himself is way off base. Bottom line is that NJ2AS seems to be an effective group to keep us organized as we fight to retain what little is left of our 2A rights in this godforsaken state. I hope we can keep the CCW push going, regardless of how this all turns out.

Once it starts to become available, we can begin to look forward to the price coming down somewhat. What the hell, it's been over a year now.

I believe you need to either have been a member for at least five years, or be a life member. If you don't meet either of those criteria, they won't send you a ballot. Ant, I may just have to go lifetime to support you!

Another vote here for the Ruger SR22. It's fun to shoot (for a .22), dependable, and it handles any ammo.

I don't know where you are located, but in my area the gym business is so competitive, that I am only paying ten dollars a month. If you can find a deal like that near you, it would take you over four years to spend $500. Plus, you could be using all their other fitness equipment as well. Just a thought.

Yeah, it looks like our beloved state does everything they can to break our balls (am I allowed to say that?), making us go through the time and expense of qualifying, even though they know they are going to reject us.

Jerry Miculek really pisses me off! The guy does not look the least bit athletic; yet he can just shoot lights out at incredible speeds, and with all kinds of guns. Incredible.

Back atcha! (That's hip talk I picked up somewhere or other.)

Yes, I saw that article. It's great news for our CCW push, but I'm sure the mainstream media will suppress it.

Welcome to the boards. I do not know what ranges are near Scotch Plains, but if you do a search, I'm pretty sure I've seen a listing somewhere of all the places to shoot in NJ.

Any thoughts on how we can get the word out on this? Thirty-four pledges in NJ2AS (including mine) is a great start, but we are going to need hundreds, if not thousand of applications if we are going to move the needle. I wonder if even everyone on this website has seen this, buried down here below all the sponsors and vendors.

Nice write-up! I would recommend that you take some training classes when you get a chance. They can be quite helpful, and are generally more fun than you might imagine.

Thanks Norseman. Nice speaking with you last night. Yes, Thatcher's is a fun place. I'm lucky to have it not far from me, although I definitely raise the average age a bit when I'm there! My GF and I enjoyed your music while we had dinner. Keep us posted on your future north Jersey gigs.

Profile says that "he" is a woman. Just read this morning that Tennessee has the highest rate of violent crime per capita. Go figure!

Welcome to the boards. I was shooting at RTSP and loving it; but when the GFH range opened in WP, it saved me a half hour travel each way. See you at CR.

For all the reasons you guys cite, there will never be a better time than right now to make a concerted effort to get the CCW laws changed. IANAL, but it seems that the AG or governor could issue an executive order to redefine "justifiable need" if we scream loudly enough.

Even if it is, unfortunate DC gun owners (are there any?) will have to deal with it until the courts can evaluate it.

Target Focus Training writes a lot of blogs on this subject. I have learned more about violence from them and others in the past two years than I had in my previous sixty. Could I act swiftly and ruthlessly in a violent encounter? I hope to never find out, but I believe I have a better chance now than I would have had a couple of years ago. Here's a recent blog on the subject from their website that I believe really gets to the heart of the matter: Loser by Default Bunnies are cute because they lack the physiology of terror—they are not big and powerful, they do not have jaws for the breaking of bones and the rending of flesh, they do not stare intently with parallel eyes aligned to gauge attack distance. They pose no physical threat. Predators, on the other hand, are nasty, ugly things, unsettlingly obvious in the function that follows their form. And while we might admire their grim beauty from a distance it’s another thing entirely to be stuck in a room with one. The recognition of these simple biological facts—bunnies can’t eat us but a grizzly bear will—percolate upward into our psyches and color our social interactions. The small and weak pose no real threat while the large and fierce do. Cute is “good”, brutish is “bad”. We see how the winners and loser get sorted out in violence—the winners attack and injure, the losers get worked—and we recoil from that naked truth. We empathize with the loser while vilifying the winner. And so we push ourselves in the completely wrong direction in seeking an answer to the problem of our own survival, vainly attempting to rewrite the loser’s story with a stick in the sand, all the while ignoring the one already published in stone. I suppose I have lived with this material for so long and so completely that it’s simply become second nature to me—but I am still shocked at the level of unthinking, blind acceptance of the conflict narrative provided by society. The attacker is the bad guy, the defender the good guy. It is socially unacceptable to be a bad guy and so we are left with only one choice: to make a play for second place and attempt to defend ourselves, choosing to think and train behind the power curve. To hope for the best and “do whatever it takes” because stepping outside the lines will be severely frowned upon… The prevailing narrative is numbing in its ubiquity, you’re swimming in an ocean of defensive, reactive thought so deep and wide you’d never naturally happen upon the island of contrary perspective: By definition anything that is socially acceptable is useless in violence. The fair warning, the fighting stance, the block and cool move—anything that makes you feel good or morally superior about violence will get you killed there. The truth is it’s a horrible, arbitrary, “cheaty” thing, the undermining of everything we hold dear. It is, quite simply, the loss of our humanity. Anything that offends sense and sensibility, the cruel and shocking thing, the gut-wrenching and unthinkable—these must be your go-to defaults if you want to survive and win in that place. It’s a very easy thing to declare yourself aligned with physical reality in this regard, to shout in agreement and then get busy patting yourself on the back. And then the very next thing out of your mouth is “But what do I do if the attacker—” And here I thought you understood that the attacker wins, that you are either the attacker in a target-rich environment or you are one of those targets to be taken by he or she who TAKES? Your choice of language has exposed your thought process, and by extension, how you will behave in violence. If the other person is the attacker, then you’re left fighting for second place. Changing how you speak about, think about and act in violence is a process that takes conscious thought, effort and time. You can’t rewire your social conditioning overnight. But you have to stop drinking the Kool-Aid first. “Self-defense” does not describe the gouging of an eye, or the stomping of a man into unconsciousness. Only specific, declarative language does. Say what you mean to do: “I will defend myself,” is mealy-mouthed and uncertain when compared to “I will attack and injure.” Reject social convention on this issue—the goal of society is control, the dampening and moderation of our animal nature. Victory in violence is the cold, calculated use of all your faculties, from highest to lowest. It’s everything you are aimed squarely at destruction, unencumbered by hesitation or half-measures. A pure, brutal freedom. Stop forging new links in the chains that hold you back. Quit accepting what’s rational and what “feels right” when training for the irrational and utterly wrong. See yourself as the attacker in violence, the doer, the winner, the only thing in the nothing. Then, with that worst of days prepared for, do everything in your power—everything—to avoid having to unleash it. Use your understanding of the worst to put you at your best—as long as everyone else plays by the same rules. –Chris Ranck-Buhr TFT Master Instructor

LOL! That was great!