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A little harsh, it was likely just an honest mistake. After all, in these times, you never know what could happen! But it's good to hear they aren't removing them, and are continuing to support us. It's an easy mistake to make I think... and everyone in the firearm community is jumpy and worried about what will happen to their rights. Anything that could be perceived as a lack of support from a company (particularly a big one with a long history, like S&W) could be worrying. But yeah, thank God it's not the case, but OP don't feel bad, just rock a google next time.

See, I wouldn't have known that. We should all thank these people for standing up to "the man" (if you will), and going against the trend in NJ to go after lawabiding gun owners.

Honestly people are foolish if they think gun rights are a R/D issue. Now granted we can usually assume how they'll vote based on party affiliation, but it's not a hard-and-fast rule. I believe that there has been a lot of negativity on the forum regarding our treatment, and I understand why we are acting like that, though I believe the open nature of the forum makes this a bad idea. After all, why would they change their vote to protect your rights if you're being a jerk online? But my point is this, we should thank, and recognize the politicians who ARE supportive of our rights. The one I know of best is Assemblyman Albano, whose office has said he will be opposing all of the bills. He has also met with NJ2AS, and taugth us the best ways to get the attention of the representatives. There is also Allison McHose, who I don't know as much about, but who I know has voted against further legislation, and stated her support for our rights in the past. There is also representative Carroll, who spoke at the rally I believe, and who supports us through and through. I say it's about time we recognize those who defend our liberty-- and when all of this mess dies down, let's start one more mail/call campaign--one to thank those who support us.

Assemblyman Albano is the man. He supports us, and has spoken before NJ2AS, and even told us how to make our efforts in contacting politicians more effective back in August. He's awesome. Keep in mind, we don't have to convince all of them, we just need to get enough of them to vote against the bills that they go nowhere. That in mind, keep up the pressure, it may not change anything, but that's a risk we can't take. Either way, we have a few people on our side, we just have to convince a few more that they can't treat us like this. But remember, stay polite, even if annoyed, and use logic and reason. But yeah, remain polite in your dealings, even if you don't want to.

I could be wrong, so please correct me if so, but I certainly believe Kyrillos would be a step up. Wasn't he talking with NJ2AS and sympathizing with us?

I agree. I think that while he's a cool guy, and I would be honored to shoot with him, he's "not relatable" to the average person, or even many gun owners. Not that his passion or arguments are bad, but the way he says stuff, and his mannerisms don't really come out right. After all, gun-rights is as much a Public Image battle as it is a legislative one. The worst thing for gun rights is the continued portrayal of gun owners as fringe-lunatics decked out in camo with a lip of grizzly in their mouth. I hope that we can change that. Stereotypes are offensive! haha

My sister just got both, she applied in her town sometime in January, and got them last week. I don't remember exact dates, but I'd wager around 23 days total. She was well below a month. Not to mention that the officer who she spoke with congratulated her, and said he supported her decision, and even talked to her about the current panic buying/price situation. And when I applied for my FID back in 2011, it only took about 36 days or so, which, all things considered wasn't too bad. Guess living here in South Jersey, the "land of happy farmers" isn't too bad after all!

THIS. Seriously, I mean don't bite the hand that feeds you. Besides, the jokes are old and overplayed anyway. Not to mention I've seen some of the NJ gun community, they aren't much better off. haha. But seriously, if you want him to support us, don't be ingrates, hell, don't even be rude to the Antis ramming the legislation down our throat. If anything, it could only cause them to vote for the bills to spite us.

Well, why would they payout? Election season is over, and they already had the political win for that OP.

SAC did fly armed planes over the US and its allies, in the event they needed to strike. I would imagine that with drones it may be similar. Or, at the very least, since a drone wouldn't require as much time to get ready, strategic placement around the US would allow them to strike quickly once a target was selected. Not sure if this was already posted, maybe that's how we got on the drone discussion, I forget. http://now.msn.com/christopher-dorner-is-first-drone-target-on-us-soil

Same, figure I can get a box or three of shells, maybe some clays, etc.

Depends on where the poll is from, if it's from a right-leaning publication, it would have the same bias. HOWEVER, even if it is more biased towards supporting guns, larger sample sizes still give a more representative view of the actual picture. It's still far more representative than a 1,000 person sample. I really don't think that firearm regulations are popular as a whole, perhaps in some more liberal areas, but generally I think most of the population isn't concerned about it. The only problem is that most would oppose a new AWB, but wouldn't get as pissed over registration or something like that. That's somewhat unnerving.

I'm more curious where I'm going to get a case of shells at the current time. I'm definitely planning on bringing some .22LR and targets as well.

Never would have thought "Resnick" was Jewish. I would have never known. Then again, my family there's a lot of questioning about our heritage, we're from Germany, but "Freidel" is considered by many to be a Jewish last name. While googling it, I came across some skinhead website that had my last name amongst a list of "Those not to be trusted." But, as far as I know, my dad's family was Catholic until my grandfather married my Anglican grandmother, before that we don't know anything, we could be German-Jewish. I think that if we can keep the traditional values upon which the nation was founded, and embrace the bill of rights, while not discriminating upon others, then we will be as close to a Christian, and Free, nation as our forefathers intended. To expound upon my own personal philosophy, just as a subject of discussion, I believe that as a Christian, I am working against the teachings of Christ when I discriminate against anyone. To me, the Westboro Baptist church are not only causing anti-Christian sentiment among the moderates of society, portraying the Christian religion as one of hatred and judgement. If one wants to call themselves Christian, then they cannot call themselves anti-gay, racist, or anything else where they judge or are hostile towards other people, as this is in direct contrast with the teachings of universal love of neighbor that Christ spoke about. On a practical level, their actions has caused all Christians to be viewed as hateful. In my opinion, pretty much all religions have something good for the practitioners, and society as a whole. In particular the Judeo Christian teachings of Charity, love, and respect should appeal to everyone regardless of political affiliation or belief. The problem is that any belief or ideology can, and likely will, be twisted to suit one's own agenda, or to justify their beliefs as being correct and righteous. While I believe there are definite "good" and "evil", the lines are not always so clear. Generally when one does something, they believe it to be good, exceptions come in when they knowingly promote their own well-being at the cost of others, though, in the mind of such a person, the "good" they're doing for themselves justifies the "evil" they are acting upon others. But back to guns, this is how our rights will be saved, and why it is so important to take young people shooting, if they shoot and see that firearms are not the evil things that the media and schools portray them as. In particular concern, with such a large democratic voting block stating they wish to own firearms, it becomes an even greater political liability to support gun control. The article says that 1993 was a "low-point" for civilian firearm ownership, and even then there was immense political blow-back for the politicians who supported the AWB. That's why advocates of gun control would have to hope that Executive Orders, or a ban were rammed through congress now, because if current trends continue, then there would be no chance in the future. Hell, I'm sitting next to a friend of mine from class, and like myself, he never grew up around firearms, but he and his father, neither of whom have ever owned guns, want to apply for their FIDs. In fact, I know more people who WANT to own guns than who are vehemently opposed to them. The hardcore anti-gunners really are few and far between, and most anti-gunners are nowhere near as motivated as gun-owners are since they have nothing to lose. These people are typically social liberals, and are more concerned with other issues, such as wealth redistribution, marijuana legalization, or other traditional "liberal" views. Firearm ownership isn't a huge deal to them, at least not enough to motivate them to do anything, and is more or less just used to patronize more conservative individuals. Hell, the NRA is stupid to blame movies and videogames. I think the AR15's surge in popularity (as well as other sporting rifles) is linked to other forms of media. If a guy picks of Call of Duty, and thinks a particular gun is pretty cool, he'll be more apt to want to go to a range and fire it. It's similar to how I got into firearms, I really liked the look and history behind military firearms, and other iconic guns. That's why when I look at firearms, I generally am not attracted to sporting guns or hobby guns, I generally want things that are military inspired, or were used in famous historical periods. As we've seen with the label "Assault Weapon" which is thrown around, those who do not have experience with firearms generally don't know crap about them. But, if a person gets interested in them, they will likely learn more. I refuse to use the term Assault Weapon, unless referring to political discussions, since it's a fake term (Though I could see the case being made for any select-fire weapon, though already being illegal, the point for discussion is moot, and there are better descriptive terms, IE- submachine gun to apply.)

Yeah, barring any unforseen event, I should be in, bringing my friend who wants to learn to shoot, and my boss who works down the shore *MAY* stop by since he too wants to try shooting, particularly shotgun. I'll do my best to bring ammo and targets, I don't have much cash, but I think my guests will chip in. Figure it's a good excuse to introduce new people to the art of shooting.

SAC flew bombers armed with nukes flew in US airspace. 24/7 in the event they needed to respond to a soviet attack. Dont discount an armed drone taking this guy out, especially with the vague language used in the recently released white house memo. Hell, it might be worth it to get the public used to the notion, and supportive of such usage on people like this. Hes likely in the middle of nowhere, so they wont be as worried of collateral damage. Not 'foiling here, merely suggesting possibilities.

Hell, I'm 20, never raised around guns, and I've always said it's my parent's generation that hates them. People my age are fascinated, and really want to go out and shoot. Glad to see this, it shows that hopefully all is not lost for the future.

You don't know many Catholics do you. The term "Catholic Guilt" goes back a LOOONNNGGGG time. Haha, every time I do anything I think MIGHT be somewhat mean to someone, I just feel awful. Oh, and my girlfriend gave me a red envelope with a Starbucks card in it. We aren't celebrating valentines day for a month, due to my being sick, and with the combination of Chinese New Year, and my Birthday all in a short span. But yes, we had home-made chinese food, it was very good, and we wore red. She actually had a red shirt and gold pants. It was quite a fun day. Happy Year of the Snake!

I don't think (but could be wrong) that there are ANY firearms available to civilians that use 4.6. I'm a bit of an H&K fanboy honestly, and a lover of unusual calibers, so I've often checked to see if there were any civilian mp-7s out there. Sadly there are not, and honestly H&K really doesn't care much about civilian sales. Ironic since they PRETEND they do, I remember their US branch president on Sons of Guns, talking about their product or something. It took me a few minutes to think of any H&K gun which is commonly sold to civilians. I know they DO exist, but they really don't court that market.

Thanks for your assistance, and nice to meet you. Usually everyone's incredibly friendly here, not just saying that, most of the people here would give you the shirt off their back, but with all the fear of the new laws, they're a little jumpy. Plus some anti-gunners hop on here occasionally just to screw with us. Don't take it personally.

Wow, there are more Asian-american members of NJGF than I thought. My girlfriend's half Taiwanese, so we're celebrating Chinese New Year tomorrow. Yes, btw, the same girlfriend who ruptured my spleen haha. But yeah, the red envelopes, I've heard of that... Between that and Bar Mitzvahs, I feel like Irish/English/German Catholics like me miss out on the cash thing...

I'll be healed up, and done school by then, assuming nothing happens before then, I'll go.

Will do, unless my schedule is lying to me, I shouldn't have work, and my friend's been wanting to shoot. This is the place where it's like, separated into the .22 area, and the shotgun area, right? separated by a giant dirt mound? ...Not sure how to explain it, but I want to be certain it's the place I think it is, and have been to before.

I'd say pick up some Mosins. While not a huge profit-earner, they're pretty much a guaranteed impulse buy. A person comes in wants to buy something, but doesn't QUITE see what they want, they'll likely go home with one of those. Plus, at $150 they're an easier sell to most people, particularly the new wave of gun owners who have been applying for their FIDs. Hell, for those new people, they'll want the ARs, SKSes, etc. If they can't find them, you can sell a Mosin, or other cheaper gun right then and there saying something like, "Better to have something than nothing, and you may as well get something to shoot now to get the fundamentals down." Or something. Although, to be honest, right now anything you get you can probably sell if you can work the right pitch. But yeah, I've always liked milsurp stuff personally.

Hey, I may be able to show up, probably won't be able to bring too much in the way of ammo, since my 21st isn't until the 19th, so no birthday money yet. Although I can probably bring a friend if someone will have extra ear protection. He could contribute to the shells and stuff.