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There is talk about doing away with the LEO sign off requirement, but requiring background checks for everyone on the trust. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=682351 "Removing the CLEO approval requirement is definitely in the works - I listened to the ATF raps discuss the status of that change at last year's SAR show in Phoenix. They will also be changing the process to do background checks on people named in trust documents. The whole point is that the CLEO requirement was driving people towards trusts, and they didn't feel like they had enough control over trusts."

Maryland, Hawaii and New Jersey are technically no issue for carry permits.because of a 'justified need requirement' state wide. California, NY State and Massachusetts have areas that do issue carry permits. It varies from county to county for California and New York. And for Massachusetts in areas away from Boston and close in suburbs. NY requires a pistol permit no matter where you live in the state, it takes 6 months to a year to get. You cannot bring in a pistol from another state if you move there, it must go through an FFL. You cannot possess a pistol without a pistol permit. Some counties allow pistol permits for all lawful purposes (general carry). Some counties have target and hiking recreation restrictions. New York City premises permit only, unless you have a hunting license then allegedly they then allow for transport out of NYC. You have to be a NY resident to get a NY pistol permit, they do not issue "Out Of State" 'pistol permits'. However I believe if you have a business in NY State, you might be able to apply for a business premises permit, or if you are luck a full carry permit if you can prove you need it if you handle a lot of cash. Or if you are an armed guard that works in NY you might be able to get a carry permit good only when you are on the job in uniform. California requires pistols to be registered upon moving into the state and you must fill out some kind of 'DROS' form and pay a $29 fee. Then apply to the sheriff for a carry permit. Just like NY State, some areas (counties) you can get a carry permit. Forget areas in or around Los Angeles and San Francisco . Further away from them the better. Massachusetts requires a Class A FID for conceal carry and possession for a pistol. If you move there you have 60 days grace period to get one. But you can't bring it out of the house to the target range until you do get the permit. The Class A FID is a carry permit as well, but it might be impossible to get in areas in and around Boston from what I have read.

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At one time Maryland used to be an open carry state. That ended in 1972. It looks like the Conceal Carry permits were originally issued by the sheriff's, then the state decided to take it over to make the whole state discretionary and made open carry illegal without a permit (that the state will not issue). http://forum.opencar...and-Shall-Issue "Open carry of firearms was always legal for the citizens of Maryland --until 1972 when a law was passed prohibiting open carry, but allowing concealed carry with a permit to be issued at the discretion of the Maryland State Police. Why was open carry suddenly prohibited after 300 years? Why was the concealed carry permit process made discretionary instead of clearly defined and open?" "This was a direct result of fears from the Baltimore Race Riots of 1968. The law was racist in origin and needs to be rescinded. By selectively disarming only victims, the law restricting carry of weapons resulted in a dramatic increase in crime." Edit: Found more info http://forum.pafoa.org/open-carry-144/112498-why-oc-where-did-conceal-carry-come.html "The new laws of 1972 took the CC liscencing from the county sheriffs and handed it to the state police, and OC was only lawful if you had a CC lisc, or while hunting/trapping, training hunting dogs, on your own property, and when target shooting. Even with the CC lisc, OCing ended up being frowned upon and one could lose the hard to get lisc for doing so ( unless you were armed security or someone special). By removing the sheriffs from the lisc'ing process, the entire state became may issue. I have reason to believe that the sheriffs in many counties would issue in a shall-issue manner ...."

Possible issue In some areas of CA and NY it is possible to get carry permits if one lives in certain counties. NY is really bad in the respect that it takes at least six months to a year to get a permit. One cannot even bring a handgun into the state without that pistol permit period. California is like NY in the respect that if you live in certain counties you can get a carry license/permit. For Massachusetts , the 'Class A FID' for the carry permit is available in most areas except in Boston and its immediate suburbs. I guess Mass, CA and NY can be lumped in together that in certain counties of the state it is possible to get a carry permit. "Possible issue" might be the word for these three states. NY requires a pistol permit before bringing ANY pistol into the state..period. Pistols must be listed on permit. California has some kind of 'DROS' background and cost and supposedly requires registration of all pistols and soon all rifles. Massachusetts requires a Class A FID for possession of pistols, but someone moving into the state has 60 days to get one. Non Issue Maryland, Hawaii and New Jersey are pretty much non issue period. There is no varying in 'some areas or counties' like CA, MA, NY. These states are across the board, 'justifiable need'. "Non Issue" is a better wording for these three states. There is a court battle going on in Maryland to end the 'justifiable need' provision. Historical Carry Info about Maryland Interesting to note that unlicensed open carry in Maryland was allowed until 1972. "Unlisc'd open carry was legal in MD until 1972" (Thread # 6) http://forum.pafoa.o...carry-come.html Illinois There is some talk around the net about a proposal for carry in Illinois with Cook County excluded so Illinois can become a carry state. But I believe the majority consensus is for 'all the counties or nothing'. Illinois is really the only state that has no mechanism for a carry permit. There is a guard license of sorts that allows for carrying as an armed guard. There are exemptions for LEO, City Alderman in Chicago, other LEO like Railroad Police, some other Government Officials. Alabama Interestingly one state in the South is still "MAY ISSUE" and that is Alabama. http://www.handgunla...tes/alabama.pdf License to Carry Pistol in Vehicle or Concealed on Person - Issuance; Term; Form; Fee; Revocation.The sheriff of a county, upon the application of any person residing in that county, may issue a qualified or unlimited license to such person to carry a pistol in a vehicle or concealed on or about his person within this state for not more than one year

If a gift card is not available for the gun store. Just get a prepaid Credit Card

The Machine Gun law dates back to 1927. Chapter 95 Laws of 1927 Page 180-182 Machine Guns need to procure and possess a license to purchase. Apply at the Court of Common Pleas of the county where the applicant resides for a license to purchase have and possess a machine gun. Application shall be in writing and shall state the reasons for needing one. Application presented to the judge and to the sheriff, the judge at his discretion may issue a license. Exceptions for law enforcement.. http://lawlibrary.rutgers.edu/cgi-bin/diglib.cgi?collect=njleg&file=151&page=0181&zoom=90

Reading stories here and elsewhere before 1966 FID and 1968 GCA . Firearms used to be sold in hardware stores, gas stations, regular department stores, mail order, Sears by catalog and at the store. Rifles were bought as easy as a hammer. On another forum, someone about 16 and living in New York City in the early 60's used to take his rifle on the bus with him and took it to the range and no one batted an eye. Stories abound about kids taking their rifles to school in order to shoot after school. Schools had Rod and Gun clubs back in the day. One popular site even had a long running thread of old ads of firearms available by mail order before 1968 GCA. All that went out the window along with the milkman ....

It isn't just Chicago , it is Crook .... I mean ... Cook County IL "Cook County Board President Toni Preckwinkle will submit a budget proposal Thursday that calls for a tax of a nickel for each bullet and $25 for each firearm sold in the nation's second-largest county, which encompasses Chicago." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cook_County,_Illinois "There are over 130 incorporated municipalities in Cook County, the largest of which is Chicago, which makes up approximately 54% of the population of the county. That part of the county which lies outside of the Chicago city limits is divided into 30 townships."

What kind of .22 cal rifle is it? And what is the capacity? If it is a tube fed Marlin 60 and can hold 17 rounds, then that rifle is considered verboten in NJ. (The FID or the lack of has nothing to do with it). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlin_Model_60 "Feed system 15 or 18 rounds; tubular magazine capacity is either 17 rounds (before the late 1980s) or 14 rounds (since the late 1980s)"

Are 'Pen Guns' allowed in NJ?

History It appears that in 1958, manufacture, sales or possession of air guns were made a misdemeanor in New Jersey. They use the term bullet or missile smaller than 3/8 inch...I take that to mean BB's and pellets ? I assume this was rescinded with the adoption of the Firearms ID Card in the 1966 FID Sills Act.... Chapter 91 Laws of 1958 Page 534 and 535 Prohibits manufacture, sale, etc; of air or spring guns. 2A : 151-13 Anyone who sells, manufactures, barters, hires, gives, buys,possesses,uses, shoots or knowingly delivers any spring gun, air gun or pistol with or any other weapon of a similar nature in which the propelling force is a spring or air and ejecting a bullet or missile smaller than 3/8" inch in diameter, with sufficient force to injure a person, is guilty of an misdemeanor.. Approved June 30 1958 http://lawlibrary.rutgers.edu/cgi-bin/diglib.cgi?collect=njleg&file=182&page=0535&zoom=90

The present trouble (FID) scheme started in 1966 orchestrated by one Arthur Sills , then Attorney General of New Jersey. Here is the history of it if you are interested. http://cemeterysgunb...me-so-anti-gun/ http://www.thehighro...p/t-636782.html NJ could have dropped the FID scheme in 1968 when the National Gun Control Act became law. For what it is worth, Illinois saw what NJ did and implemented their own ID scheme in 1968. Massachusetts implemented their ID scheme later on, probably in the 1970's. Also it was reported that Sills helped Dodd with the drafting of the 1968 Gun Control Act. Sills was a prominent person in NJ politics and gun control , read what went on in the 1960's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_J._Sills Arthur J. Sills (October 19, 1917 – December 26, 1982) was the Attorney General of New Jersey from 1962 to 1970. Sills was born in Brooklyn, New York in 1917, and his family moved to Perth Amboy, New Jersey in 1921.[1] He contracted polio when he was four years old and later traveled to Warm Springs, Georgia for treatment. There he befriended Franklin D. Roosevelt, who was receiving treatment for his paralytic illness.[2] [edit] Biography Sills was appointed by Governor Richard J. Hughes as Attorney General of New Jersey. He was confirmed by the New Jersey Senate and sworn in on January 16, 1962, the day of Hughes's inauguration.[1] As Attorney General in the two Hughes administrations, Sills championed civil rights and strong gun control legislation. He was nonetheless criticized by civil rights groups for defending a warrantless search for stolen guns by 300 heavily armed New Jersey State Police and National Guardsmen during the 1967 Plainfield riots. He also came under fire from the American Civil Liberties Union for writing a memorandum in the wake of the 1967 Newark riots encouraging state police to compile detailed dossiers on people taking part in demonstrations.[3][4] After leaving office, Sills founded his own firm based in Newark, New Jersey, Sills, Beck, Cummis, Radin, Tischman & Zuckerman (now known as Sills Cummis & Gross). He represented James Florio during the recount for the 1981 gubernatorial election.[2] In 1982 he died of a stroke at the age of 65.[3]

The laws/Dicks policy of asking for the FID and having it boxed up is one thing and it is what it is. But to imply that a law abiding customer is a dangerous person purely for buying a legal product and then go on to reveal the street the customer lives on is not just rude. The clerk crossed a line of just being rude and upper management in the company chain should be made aware of what goes on in its stores and why they lost a customer for good over practices that they allow to go on in some of their stores. That $75 to $100 every few months that the customer would have spent in that store in this economy is gone and will now be spent elsewhere. Couple that by a several other customers who might not shop there either because of that same clerk, now we are talking a good chunk of change over the next couple of years that Dick's will not be getting. It all adds up, when an employee becomes a liability to the company like in this case. They need to be replaced.

The clerk should have been fired for that. # 1 Being rude to a customer. # 2 Embarrassing the customer. #3 Giving out private information to the public. #4 Making negative prejudice assertions about a customer, just about amounts to slander. I would have demanded to see the manager, contacted company headquarters and threaten to sue the bastards on the privacy issue alone. Where was the store and how long ago was it? You still might be able to lodge a complaint.

I found this through Google while I was doing studies on gun control laws. I have recommended this site on other forums as the 'go to' site for those who are looking for answers about New Jersey Gun Laws.

Yes , in some towns and cities there are no discharge ordinances. Usually self defense is a valid exception. Beyond that, some towns here in Kentucky have no discharging firearms within city limits. Florence KY goes beyond that , and BB guns and even bow and arrow are prohibited from being discharged within city limits according someone I know who lives there. There are other cities and towns even in so called free states that have various 'no discharging in city limits'. The best way is to check your town ordinances which are sometimes published online by the local city government, if not a search at a library or city hall will have the information.

I know friends and friends of friends who moved from NJ to places like PA, NC, FL and Arizona.

I would be surprised if PA asked for a drivers license to buy a BB gun in that state unless that is a local ordinance. Here you have to be over 16 to buy a BB gun. I have never been asked for ID to prove I am over 16 to buy a BB gun. I think Ohio and and Indiana (nearby states) you have to be 16 to 18 to buy a BB gun. Even so if someone looks under 16 then I could understand the need for ID, but I guess the parents would just buy one for their kid. In addition to state laws, I found that some locations have laws regulating them like Cleveland (no BB guns in public places) and Akron (Age 18 minimum). So even if state law allows them, there is no preemption of localities and airguns can be regulated. So it looks like minors are prohibited from having BB guns in some areas. http://www.ohiogamefishing.com/community/showthread.php?t=165203 Using Airguns Even here in Kentucky, some towns have no discharge laws and that includes airguns. Florence KY has a no discharge in city limits ordinances (self defense is a valid exception). Other towns have similar ordinances Point being, even after checking state laws, also check the laws of your town to see what additional regulations they put on airguns . Seems like airgun laws vary from town to town as well as state to state and I don't think anyone has ever provided a list of it's comprehensive laws.

I can also suggest the 45 acp Hi-Point. It shoots, does not jam, not much recoil, lifetime warranty,inexpensive but bulky and ugly. You can buy it, an extra mag, several boxes of ammo for well under $250. I also suggest a used Rossi .38 spl, they are usually in the $250 range and are good shooters. Otherwise save another $250 and get something better.

Federal Law says one must be 21 to buy a pistol from a FFL licensed dealer. There are states that allow for private sales of pistols for those under 21. In addition a few states allow conceal carry permits for those under 21 (Indiana).

Kentucky started running monthly back ground checks on carry licensees about 2006. In addition, according to the pdf below, there are Seven background checks. Although they fail to specify what are the seven background checks. I know one of them is NICS. http://kentuckystatepolice.org/pdf/KSP_ANREP_06.pdf (Page 42) Carry Concealed Deadly Weapons (CCDW) Section Started processing the Law Enforcement Officer’s Safety Act licenses. All employees in the CCDW Section received training from FBI NICS on performing background checks. Began performing all seven background checks each month on all licensees.

Here is what I gathered so far, normally the ATF does not do pre-inspections for those applying for a C&R license. But there are exceptions, in addition to NJ...It was reported on another forum that the counties of Nassau and Suffolk have ATF pre-inspections. In NY State, C&R licensees cannot acquire any C&R pistols with their license, however C&R rifles seem to be fine. Like in the case of NY State, there are variations in C&R rules in some states. Usually that is spelled out somewhere in state laws and not left to phone calls to the police to try determine what is legal or not. (Regular FFL applicants across the board get pre-inspections no matter what state the applicant lives in. That is a given.) As far as yearly inspections by the ATF, they do have a right to inspect your C&R records once a year. And in addition if there is something they need for an investigation. Either case they would call for an appointment first at your convenience. As far as the state police doing inspections on C&R licensees, that is beyond the scope of what is to be expected for an C&R licensee. I never heard signs being required in a house for a C&R licensee. The signs are meant for dealers and because a C&R licensee is not a dealer, the signs requirement should not apply to him/her. There is no requirement for signs in the house for being a C&R licensee by the ATF unless that is a NJ rule and there should be a section in NJ law that specifically addresses C&R licensees. There should be a statute that addresses all the concerns of C&R license holders.

Kids and guns While reading this thread, I recall reading (on the internet) stories of those who lived in the 1940's and early 1960's (before 1968 GCA) ... kids used to take their guns to school in order to shoot after school was over. Some of the threads said the kids (ages 12 - 16) used to take their rifles and shoot rats and other wildlife by the city dump, others used to shoot targets in empty lots. This type of behavior was considered normal and a way for the kids to keep out of trouble. From the accounts that I have read over the years, life in the 1940's until the 1960's ... it was typical and a rite of passage of sorts for a kid to have a rifle and know how to use it, safely at a early age. Some here might recall the rod and gun clubs in school. One thread I read was about someone who used to take their rifle to the shooting range, he would take the rifle on a city bus in (New York City) and go to the range, I believe the thread said he was 16 at the time.

Sounds like the Illinois FOID system. One card is just needed to buy pistols and rifles...(and ammo). There are still waiting periods for both long gun (24 hours) and a pistol purchases (72 hours) . But it sounds like a step up from the antiquated 1966 Sills Act. For those interested how the Illinois system works http://www.isp.state...firearmsfaq.cfm Like NJ, Black powder guns there are considered a firearm. Illinois started their FID system back in 1968, some say from inspiration from the NJ FID law of 1966. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What is a FOID card? The FOID card was created in 1968, by the FOID Act, as a way to identify those persons eligible to possess and acquire firearms and firearm ammunition as part of a public safety initiative in the State of Illinois. Who needs a FOID card? Unless specifically exempted by statute, any Illinois resident who acquires or possesses firearm or firearm ammunition within the State must have in their possession a valid Firearm Owner's Identification (FOID) card issued in his or her name. Where can I obtain a FOID application? A FOID application can be downloaded from the Illinois State Police website at www.isp.state.il.us or applications may be obtained at most retail stores where firearms are sold. As stated on the FOID application, the FOID processing fee is $10.00 and is non-refundable. With recent changes to the FOID application, what new information am I required to provide? Each applicant for a FOID card who is over the age of 18 shall furnish to the Department of State Police either his or her Illinois driver's license number or Illinois Identification Card number. The Department of State Police shall either approve or deny all applications within 30 days from the date the applications are received. Do I have to sign my FOID card? Yes. The statute (430 ILCS 65/6(a)) states the contents of a FOID card "shall contain the applicant's name, residence, date of birth, sex, physical description, recent photograph, and signature". How long is my FOID card valid? Unless otherwise prohibited, a FOID card shall be valid for a period of 10 years from the date of issuance Will I receive a notice that my FOID card will expire? Yes. The Department of State Police shall, 60 days prior to the expiration of a FOID card, forward by first class mail an application which may be used to apply for renewal of the card. It is the obligation of the holder of a FOID card to notify the Department of State Police of any address change since the issuance of the FOID card.