Midwest

I found little if any information on C&R license in NJ. I know in NY State C&R license is OK for rifles not for pistols. Illinois has C&R license holders, one site says there are no restrictions, another says there are issues with Cook County IL.

If I understand this correctly, are no restrictions if you travel out of state and buy C&R pistols and rifles from other C&R and FFLs? But there are restrictions in state? Even so, just being able to travel to other states and acquire C&R firearms without restrictions is definitely worth having. Are there restrictions stamped on the license? What did the ATF tell you during your interview? I have heard that the ATF does pre-license interviews in some areas for C&R holders, one site mentioned Nassau and Suffolk County NY and New Jersey. Thanks

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We got a 2 rating, same as last year. I wonder if it is possible for a state to get a -negative Brady rating.

Black powder guns*, both pistols and rifles are not subject to the 1968 Gun Control Act, and are not subject to interstate restrictions like regular firearms are and federal law does not require background checks. Another state may have a different interpretation of federal law, and therefore may have restrictions on purchase of black powder firearms. But because a state may have restrictions on the purchase of BP firearms, and it may interpret BP as a regular firearm. It is not a firearm by federal standards. (*Unless a black powder gun can readily be converted and those go through a FFL).

Facebook decided to force a new interface on nearly everyone, it is called "Timeline" . Most of the people on my friends list who have it despise it and want the old interface back. There are a handful of us who still have the old interface. Since Timeline was introduced, there seem to be less people posting on my friends list. Just an observation: If Facebook played their cards right they would have offered a choice of interfaces for its users instead of forcing a jumbled, crowded, cluttered looking mess of an interface on everyone whether they liked it or not. Zuckerberg missed a huge opportunity by offering to give back the old interface for a premium price, either by subscription or a one time cost. Pissing off users of his own site isn't too bright of an idea, and then to go public after this miscalculated mess? I got the impression that this was not thought out correctly. Which leads one to wonder what else are they missing the boat on? My administrator of our IT department says we should shut our Facebook accounts off due to the privacy issues, spam and malware threats. I think he is right. I mainly keep Facebook to keep in touch with friends and family through the country. But then again I can do that through email or through the phone. I believe next one who overtakes Facebook, (whoever) they may be, might be the ones to worth investing in. They will hopefully learn from Facebook's mistakes and growing pains and run with it. Remember how big AOL was at one time? Everyone had it, used it and 'we couldn't live without it'. Disclaimer: It was just an opinion, not a stock recommendation...

I'm going to try to do a page here next week or so on the public hearing of the 1966 FID law. There was a lot of 'persuasiveness' by the AG who made it seem at the time like it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. I'll try to find more information down the line. I think the answer partly lies in education of the public and more pro 2A legislators and most importantly to remain vocal and strong despite the opposition.

According to this, New Jersey had a Constitutional Convention in 1947 and did NOT include in the right to keep and bear arms. Is this the basis for all the problems? http://conservativen...d-in-new-jersey " Delegates to the 1947 New Jersey Constitutional Convention believed that the right of the people to keep and bear arms was so obvious and universally accepted that they did not include it the wording in our state Constitution - a presumptive error of epic proportions. Proceedings of the State of New Jersey Constitutional Convention Wednesday, August 13, 1947 MR. STANGER: Senator, do you consider that the anti-discrimination clause as to civil rights will cover this provision as to militia, the thought being that civil rights include military rights? MR. VAN ALSTYNE: Judge Stanger, that point was raised in committee and I can tell you that the committee unanimously felt - there are a number of lawyers on our committee - that the right to bear arms was a civil right. That is very definitely one of the rights of citizens. We therefore did fully cover the situation. (N.J. Constitutional Convention: Vol. 1, Page 305)" (There was another Constitutional Convention again before the 1966 FID Laws went in effect)--a coincidence? Or no bearing?

The ATF requires all State laws to be followed http://www.atf.gov/f...ed-persons.html Q: From whom may an unlicensed person acquire a firearm under the GCA? A person may only acquire a firearm within the person’s own State, except that he or she may purchase or otherwise acquire a rifle or shotgun, in person, at a licensee’s premises in any State, provided the sale complies with State laws applicable in the State of sale and the State where the purchaser resides. A person may borrow or rent a firearm in any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes. [18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(b)(3), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30] If the laws are not being enforced, then have the laws overturned as they are NOT being applied equally throughout the state. File suit to get rid of the ,one gun a month, the certificate of eligibility, the permit to purchase a handgun, Firearms ID card requirements law. The relief would be to have all four laws overturned, legal fees are to be paid by the state and current and future gun buybacks to be stopped. Overturning these four laws would not be unconstitutional as the state would just revert to the Federal NICS point of sale system that is used successfully throughout much of the U.S. The result of all of this would end the endless, outmoded, redundant, obsolete backward 'paperwork process madness' and save the state a ton of money and better focus valuable police manpower in more important areas in order to protect the people from criminals. There are your arguments, now can some bright legal mind in NJ start the lawsuit process?

It is different here in KY. Mention a gun and its like mentioning a fishing pole or a pickup or ATV. No one gives it a second thought. The few people who are not into guns in KY seem own at least a shotgun, they are not anti gun..they aren't into it all that much. That is about as worse as it gets. Hell even one of the colleges here has a virtual firing range...I kid you not.

BB Handgun and BB rifles are not firearms by Federal standards, they are not firearms in PA or most other states. NJ considers them firearms, even though federally they are not. Since a BB gun (rifle or handgun) is not a firearm, it is not subject to the 1968 Gun Control Act. So there are no interstate restrictions on either BB handguns or BB rifles. One may purchase a BB gun in PA legally. Once you cross into NJ, it is considered by the state of NJ a firearm (and yet it is still not a firearm by Federal Standards even though NJ may say otherwise.). You did not break Federal Law by buying a BB gun in PA and bringing into NJ. There is no requirement to register guns in NJ if bought in from another state. If you BUY a BB gun rifle in NJ you need a FID, if you buy a BB handgun in New Jersey you need a permit to purchase a handgun (even though the feds do not classify it as a firearm). The same goes for Black Powder.

My guns names are , Loaded and Unloaded

I know BP wasn't mentioned, but it is also restricted like the BB gun/air rifle. Black Powder guns are also considered firearms in NJ, in other states they are not. On the Federal level, the BATF does not consider BB guns or BP guns as firearms, but NJ (and some other states) consider them firearms. Hangun permit needed in NJ for BB Gun Pistol Black Powder Pistol FID needed in NJ for BB Gun Rifle Black Powder rifle I'm not sure when these laws went in effect, I want to say 1966 for both black powder and bb gun/air rifle. But I saw a law that banned BB/air guns in 1958 in NJ. So maybe they bought them back with the FID law in 1966 or soon after. The black powder permit requirement, I read elsewhere that it didn't become law until much later, in the 70's or 80's..although I originally thought it was 1966. Other states and cities have restrictions on BB guns as well as BP.

Allegedly before the 1966 FID law went in effect open carrying in some parts of NJ was tolerated, others say it was outright legal.

I agree, this further increases the momentum for self defense and gun rights in this country. "Oklahoma Governor Mary Fallin just signed Senate Bill 1733 into law, making Oklahoma the 41st state to allow open carry." I just kind of question the following though.... "With Governor Fallin’s signature, Oklahoma now joins Utah, North Dakota, Minnesota, Iowa, Indiana, Tennessee, Georgia, Mississippi, New Jersey, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Hawaii, and Massachusetts as licensed open carry states." It makes it seem that New Jersey, Massachusetts, Rhode Island and Hawaii are gun friendly... On the other hand there is good progress in Michigan and there is still hope of getting conceal carry in Illinois.

Surprised that there are only four comments, I thought there would be more. In case the Trentonian edits or deletes it, here is what I wrote.... ________________________________________________________________________________________ "The current NJ law requires background checks, mental health checks, references, fingerprints, fees, plus additional requirements that certain police departments require that vary from one town to another (against NJ law), not to mention long waits for a permit in order to just to buy a simple shotgun goes way back to to 1966. Requirements for obtaining a pistol in NJ goes back even further to 1954 and this requires yet an additional permit for each pistol. And after all this "permit madness" paper shuffling one still must go yet an additional background check instant check called "NICS". No I am not joking. These pre-approval permits schemes are no longer needed in New Jersey and can be simply be replaced with the simple "NICS" system that have been in use throughout the rest of the country. Going entirely to a NICS based system would save the state a ton of money by now and save valuable manpower and finally free the police to pursue crime and not pursue unneeded paperwork and needless redundancy. However since New Jersey still insists on using using this antiquated outmoded backward approach for all of its citizens to buy a simple shotgun. Then the state needs to enforce the law as well on itself and follow its own firearms laws that they have required of its own citizens since 1966 and back even further. It is not just setting an example, it is also required under law. See not only NJ Firearms laws are required to be enforced, but Federal Law requires state law to be enforced. The BATF requires that State Firearms Laws are to be followed. One cannot consistently override State Firearms Laws without the argument that the state is violating Federal Firearms Laws (they go hand in hand). The only way an entity can receive firearms without permits in New Jersey, without 30 day one gun a month requirements, and without prior notice, and to giveaway coupons or vouchers under NJ law and Federal Firearms laws in NJ are Federal Firearms Licensee's. One could wonder what is the effect on a law itself when that law is circumvented by the same entity that is charged to enforce that very same law. One can argue that by consistently violating a law, by not enforcing the law on a regular basis (gun buy backs) in effect weakens and can nullify the law itself."

I made some comments at the Trentonian...anywhere else ?

I know an AG can occasionally make deals (on a case to case basis) to help someone to get immunity from prosecution in exchange for testimony in order to take down some criminal organization. But I wasn't aware that the AG can set aside parts of the law or offer up a blanket exemption on a regular basis without approval of the legislature or lawful changes in the law. The Attorney General regularly setting aside parts of state law on a regular basis is improper and goes beyond the authority of the Attorney General's office on the state Level. One of the issues that need to be addressed is the effect on the law itself when the AG circumvents the law on a continuous basis. Perhaps one smart lawyer could successfully argue that by consistently violating a law, by not enforcing the law on a regular basis (ie:gun buy backs) in effect weakens and can nullify the law itself. Beyond state law, it also appears that the AG is violating Federal Law. The BATF requires that State Firearms Laws are to be followed. I cannot fathom how the Attorney General's Office can consistently override State Firearms Laws without violating Federal law (they go hand in hand). The way I see it, legally ... the only way an entity can receive firearms without permits in NJ, without 30 day one gun a month requirements, and without prior notice in NJ are Federal Firearms Licensee's.

I am unaware of any insurance company in any state punishing gun owners and making them pay extra if they happen find out that they have firearms, carry permits, reloading supplies or NFA items. Paying extra because the gun owner wants coverage (for their firearm items to cover theft and the like)...yes.

Darn, Just as I was hoping to see this being investigated on one of them paranormal shows that populate Friday and Saturday nites on TV...

That reminds me...I have a pdf of the public hearing that Attorney Sills had in 1966 before the FID was ramrodded through the legislature. I need to convert it to text , people have to see the level of B.S. Sills pulled to get that bill passed....I need to type it out soon...not just for posterity ...but like you said "so that Jersey never happens again"...

If one can build an underground shelter themselves without the neighbors or the town knowing about it, you are that much ahead of the game. If something did arise, the immediate family could take shelter without neighbors or someone else trying to force their way in. Pooling money with others to buy some land in the country is a good idea. Whether it is for hunting, camping or a place to go when all else fails...And the individual owners could decide for themselves if they want to build a shelter or to have a cache hidden on the property.

The "SHTF" scenario can mean anything from a major hurricane, major earthquake, financial crash, some other nation invading U.S. soil, or some other kind of unforeseen 'event' of huge proportions. I believe that talking to people that you trust maybe a certain neighbor, real close friends and family and discussing and planning to cover each others back well in advance in case of 'something happening' would be the better choice. Where would everyone go if a category 5 hurricane was heading to the Garden State? If you had to leave the state, where would one go to? How would you get there? What if the roads were choked off? Bike, moped or motorcycle might be a better option but that means that you can't carry much with you. You can't drive into PA because the roads are choked off, do you have access to a boat to cross the Delaware River? Could you get access to a boat? Where are you heading? Riding a bike, using a boat, walking on foot means supplies must already propositioned at the 'safe' location. Which means advance planning. Where is the 'safe' location going to be? A couple acres with a hunting cabin out in the country out of state can cost little if everyone pools their money. Again, that all requires advance planning. Much have been said about those 'bug out bags' ready and waiting to go already packed with essential supplies at a moments notice. If you don't have property in another state, do you have relatives who live out of state? How far is it? Can you preposition supplies along the way and maintain them? They call that 'caching supplies'. If there was a financial crash? Do you cash and coins on hand? Some Gold and Silver coins? Barter items? Do you have some gas stored up somewhere along the way to keep your vehicle going until you get there? You have another plan to communicate when the cell phone towers don't work after some extended power black out? What about power for your house or 'safe' location? Do you have a generator and fuel for it? Solar Power? Have you researched EMP? Look up the Carrington event. What would you do long term? I think if anyone is serious about it. Address each situation and find answers for each possible scenario. Go with people who you can trust. Have a plan A and plan B. Plan in advance. Plan to have to hike some or all of the way to your safe location just in case. Have areas long the way where you can store some survival supplies along the way to your safe location. Stock it with water, change of clothes, radio and batteries , food, flashlight and first aid kit. The possibilities are endless, you have to adapt to your situations and possible scenarios. Don't advertise to everyone either, just talk amongst yourselves with people you can trust. If a person is not used to walking a dozen miles with a backpack now, ...that person may not make it if they can't hike to their safe location if that SHTF scenario ever arises. Think sustainability, having emergency supplies are great. What if that situation is much longer than you anticipated? Can you grow food? Raise chickens? Obtain water? Make a shed or a house with manual tools? Can you make you own tools? Make your own pottery? Reloading? Making soap? A couple of books on how to make stuff like they did from 1800's would be valuable to have. Survival books, books on first aid, books on medicine, books on edible and medicinal plants can all spell the difference between success and failure.

Is it a new house? If not ,check the history of it ..on that paranormal show on the Travel Channel called the "Dead Files" ... they say that "Every person, every house ..has secrets"... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqzXu3XLzYg

Did you use poison or mouse traps? Doesn't mouse poison use a blood thinner to make them bleed out ?