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Why don't you think so? The ones made before Mr Cohen took the helm are fine by all accounts. The ones made after are a crap shoot with a lean toward problematic. There is definitely strong enough chance of getting a bad one that I won't gamble it. 1500 rounds? How long have you had it? The Kimbers I mention above failed in a class where we were putting 600 rounds during a 12 hour day through our pistols. We all put around 3000 rounds in 5 days through our guns and the Kimber was the only gun to choke. And it choked hard.

The clubfoot and standard VLTOR IMOD are the same length: 6.626"

I have seen quite a few Kimbers crap out. The most spectacular one was when I watched one literally disintegrate in a shooters hand on day 2 of a 5 day course at Blackwater in 2005. The instructors weren't even surprised. They said they see two or three Kimbers a month do that in their courses.

That's just it, the rifle is already on safe. One less thing to do when you pull the rifle from the rack and you are thinking about 10,000 other things while charging the weapon. If it is already on safe, then you only have to think about 9999 things. If you need to pull the rifle and start shooting immediately, you probably should have been doing something other than getting that rifle out. Can't fit a BAD on the SW MP15-22 without some mods. Didn't want to do that, so I run it stock. I do 90% of my training with a regular AR. I use the .22 for a little bit of training (I have taken an EAG class using the .22), certain matches, and to help problem shooters. Customer service.

If you are gonna put something there anyway, it may as well add strength to the overall system.

I can't even remember the last time I even used one of those. I use boresnakes, then run a patch on a jag.

^^^ this. True story, good guy gets the mag dropped from his gun during a struggle for the weapon. Needs to shoot but only has one round. He fires one into the a guys chest at near contact distance. Bad guy keeps fighting, hitting good guy in the head with a blunt object. Good guy has to wrestle with this guy until he goes unconscious, taking repeated blows to the head. According to the good guy, a reload would have been possible and would have solved his issue, but he didn't have one. Just 12 rounds in a mag on the floor behind the bad guy. You can lead a horse to water.... "But but but..... It's heavy and inconvenient and uncomfortable. If I can't get it done with what is in my gun, I deserve to die. I avoid bad neighborhoods so I should be ok. Nothing bad happens in nice towns (Short Hills). I will grab an extra mag when I think I may need it..." It's another facet of the "won't happen here" mentality or the "bad things only happen in bad places". It's a mindset issue. I just want to know where they get their crystal balls that let them know if they are about to have the worst day of their lives. If I knew when I was going to get in a gunfight I would stay home, not plus up mags for the day. But, when it come down to it, we are all big boys and play by big boy rules. It's their decision, even if it makes no sense to me.

That's a disposable item. They are not meant to last forever. Shitcan it and buy a new one you cheap bastard

A guy that lives in the town I work in is a rep/dealer for MFT. He have me a few stocks to try out. They were OK. I put them with CAA or Mako. No where near as well made or comfortable as a Magpul, B5, LMT, VLTOR, etc... That "minimalist" stock wasn't one I got hands on, but it looks like it would be an exercise in frustration. That "hook" would get caught on everything, snag hazards in the environment, chest rigs, slings, armor carriers.. No thanks. Plus, I would not want to mortar that thing try to clear a malfunction.

It's a good policy. I just wish it was bolt forward on empty chamber, hammer cocked, selector on SAFE, mag in. It seems there is a belief (based in complete fantasy) that leaving the hammer cocked will weaken the springs over time that could eventually causing a weak hit on the primer. They are all set up pretty close actually. The white light and vert grip are in the same place, the stocks are very close on LOP and all have similar profiles (the middle gun has a B5 Bravo stock on it now), and the slings are set up the same. Also the bottom rifle is a .22 trainer while the other two are work guns. The EO has abysmal battery life, L3 has crappy CS, it is unreliable, it has a stupid auto off feature, I find it has a busy reticle, they designed the battery compartment poorly.

That's a LaRue RAT stock. My buddy has one on a .300 blk, was pretty nice. I have one waiting for my next build.

Don't waste your money on that. $70 is halfway to a decent rail. Avoid the UTG airsoft quality garbage. Buy cheap, buy twice.

IMOD is 6.62" long with the rubber butt pad. http://www.vltor.com/imod-basic.html EMOD is 7.75"http://www.vltor.com/EMOD-New.html The SOPMOD is just a hair under 7.5" and weighs in at 11.5oz. Also a pretty good article about stocks on different rifle/carbine configurations: http://www.03designgroup.com/technotes/ar15-buttstock-considerations

Just messing around with the stocks and I thought of something.... If you are using the SOPMOD on a rifle that needs a pinned stock you will not be able to use the two storage tubes. You can use the tubes on the Magpul ACS, STR, and the VOLTOR imod and emod even when pinned.

Awesome! But as you can see mine does not, this makes me sad Mine are old VLTOR mod-stocks, (imod before they called them imod) good to know they upgraded that in the newest iterations. My emod has the rubber pad though: Still like the SOPMOD best ETA: There's that TD grip again I upgraded my MP15-22 up with parts from the parts bin including the eoturd. I won all the TD stuff (stubby, pistol grip, rail covers) for being high shooter in an EAG carbine 2 course and I wasn't using it for anything else.... I will likely be getting a BCM Gunfighter grip for it soonest.

Right, but preference is based on experiencing different options and then choosing one to be your preference. Preference is very subjective and can be based on many factors, but all things being equal, someone who has tried out ten different variations of something is going to have a better idea of what they prefer than someone who has only ever tried one particular model. That's all I am saying. I also like Magpul - they are a standup company and Rich and Drake are good people - and have used a few of their stocks - currently the MOE, CTR, PRS. I had a UBR, ACS and STR. Interestingly enough I did not like the ACS or STR at all.

That's informative... For all we know it is the only stock you have handled making your opinion worthless. For example, the SOPMOD also stores batteries and locks up super tight to the receiver extension, but without the need for a locking lever. Have you ever used one to compare against the magpul? Not trying to be a d!ck, just looking for constructive answers that are useful. Both full auto, but almost never used in FA. Between the 2, the top rifle is my favorite to shoot and is set up perfect for my needs. I wouldn't change a thing, and would like to set up both rifles identically. If had my druthers, I would carry the top rifle for both jobs. One other plus for the SOPMOD is the rubber pad at the back of the stock, especially if you are shooting in armor. The back of the VLTOR imod is slick as sh!t against nylon/cordura. The SOPMOD sticks to your shoulder like velcro.

Exactly. And in my opinion, that rapid incapacitation relies more on shot placement than caliber (assuming we are talking about service caliber - .38/.357, 9mm, .40, .45, .44) and number of shots to a critical area in a limited time. Ex: 8 rounds of 9mm to the center of the chest in under 3 seconds will incapacitate faster than 5 rounds of .45 to the same area on the same time.

Personal preference. Unlike the grip, which is a replacement part and by policy requires only specific parts for an armorer to install, the BAD is a bolt on part that is not a permanent modification. It therefore falls under "Approval by Dept Armorer" (which is me ) for duty use.

Not for nothing, but that is apples to oranges. Yes a .30-30 might have solved the problem sooner, then again it may not have. Regardless, a .30-30 isn't a pistol round. In all fairness, I can find examples of plenty of folks walking around after being shot (head included) in any pistol caliber. That includes an account of .45ACP bouncing off the perps brain pan on an entry, another identical case with a 9mm from an MP5, and a through and through with .357 Mag contact shot to the forehead with the victim still talking and walking when the Cops arrived). In any event, Rep. Giffords is still alive, but hypothetically, if she had been an aggressor was she in any condition to continue her behavior after that round to her head? That shot, while not fatal was disabling. You can't take the "heroic measures" taken by Doctos post-shooting into account when determining the effectiveness of a round. Question: What do most people shot with a handgun die from? Answer: Old age.

First good question. I always hate when people answer like that. Give me a reason, even a subjective one for your choices. And qualify what have you used that you prefer it over. Have you used a SOPMOD? Or a B5 Bravo, or a VLTOR imod or emod? Give some some fame of reference. As to the grip.... While the Tangodown is personally not preferred over the BCM or even the magpul MOE/MIAD it is a huge stup up from the standard pistol grip. The TD grip angle is more comfortable than the standard grip, has no finger nub, and it covers that annoying gap where the trigger guard meets the lower. It has a slim "LOP" and fits the hand well. If it was a little more upright and was a little beefier I would like it a lot more. At the time we got the rifles the Magpul and BCM grips weren't on the market. Our policy only lists the TD as an acceptable alternative to the standard grip and I haven't changed the policy.

My money is on the barrel being fine. It is the loose nut behind the trigger Read this: Dead Link Sounds almost like you are too close to the sights. Your nose should be just barely touching the charging handle.

SOPMOD and don't look back. County Issued Colt R0933 Commando with SOPMOD: Dept Issued Colt R0933 Commando with club foot imod: ETA: This dept gun now is wearing a B5 Bravo stock as it is as close to a SOPMOD stock as I can get and still fit in the rack in the squad car. And yes, the dept gun is on semi. SOP is condition 3 (mag in, bolt forward on an empty chamber), hammer down, selector on semi (can't go to safe with the hammer down).

True. But no pistol rounds do well though intermediate boundaries. I have shot 9mm, .40, .357 sig, and .45 at multiple car doors at a VTAC class. None of them penetrated. As far as auto glass, we did the same thing - shooting up multiple cars to see what works. All rounds, pistol and 5.56, performed similarly enough through the windshield and rear window that from a tactics standpoint they were all the same: Shooting from inside to outside - make a hole in the glass with the first few rounds, push the muzzle through and go to work. Shooting from outside in - aim a little high and put multiple rounds in as tight a group as possible as fast as you can keeping the group tight. None of the rounds performed so well that there was confidence in only 1 or 2 rounds getting it done, so all rounds required high volume fire.

That is cool for a match/race gun. I don't think I would put that on a social gun.