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Nope... Both Carcano, both Japanese, most common Mauser calibers, Lebel, and Swiss.

Credit card is the way to go, then... for those looking into it. I really didn’t get to look that hard, but stuff that was $20ish per box was showing up around $16ish. capt14k, you’ll like it... they have some older calibers up there. I saw 7.62mm Nagant for $3 a box (of 14). Last time I picked some up, was $6+.

When you get it... and I say this to anyone else going for it... GO TO GRAF’S DEALER WEBSIGHT, GET THE LINK TO EMAIL THE LICENSE (cannot use the form, only FFL 01), AND BECOME A DEALER! Just did, and looking at pricing compared to things I previously purchased at what I thought was good pricing, I’m really surprised. It’s like taking 20% off.

I go for biscuits and their pot pie... [emoji106]

KFC... just not the KFC in Howell.

How did the Nazis take over production of a rifle line that started in 1948? Last time I checked, World War II ended in 1945...

Interview was 7/10... License came to the house today (7/20).

Then it has to be a registered assault weapon (done in the early 1990s)... only way he could legally have it. Or he never put it in his book, which is illegal in itself. ATF tries to meet with licensees at the initial application, then every other renewal (per the ATF investigator I spoke with). Sorry, but I just had an interview with the ATF the other day for my C&R. M1 Carbines are no-go in NJ, straight from her mouth. If you get your license tomorrow, you cannot legally get a M1 Carbine while in this state. No way around that, and I don’t need to be 62 to answer that. It is clearly written in NJ 2C:39-1 and 2C:39-5. Even if the M1 Carbine in question is a registered assault weapon, it can only be transferred out of state or surrendered... not to another NJ resident (even inheritance is a no, if I remember correctly).

Not in NJ... you can have a C&R, the M1 Carbine is still an assault weapon under NJ law. C&R licensees must respect state/local laws. Don’t know the situation of the OP’s shoot, but if the person in question brings an M1 Carbine into the state of NJ, they are breaking the law. If he got it with his C&R license, it would be uncovered by the ATF at the next inspection.

Then they might have had the exemption. And realized I put handguns instead of firearms. Still true, as NJ dealers did put up signs stating they could do it in PA.

Actually, was very easy... and likely would be identical to how FFL 01s are interviewed. They use the same computer program for both. Agent came by around 12:00. Took about an hour. Very nice lady, and definitely was someone to ask firearm related questions. She set up her computer, and started asking basic questions (driver’s license for ID, location specifics... alarm, safe, CCTV, distance to schools, etc). Not one question specifically about myself and/or background (came up, as we talked about CBP/BP and ATF careers). She asked me why I was going for it, I explained, which she didn’t know about the changes in the law recognizing FFL 03. Had me sign a form which explained that you are not allowed to have firearms shipped directly to a NJ home, per NJ law. Very helpful in explaining what is allowed/not allowed with a FFL 03 due to state law. Rest of the interview was reviewing points on a computer program. It would explain each aspect of the basic law... straw purchases, A&D book (including filling it out, which she gave me some suggestions if I start buying a lot of C&R stuff), inspections, renewals, and basic good practices. There were points that had no bearing on a FFL 03, and she said as much as we went through the list (business related stuff). She said that there are NJ FFL 01s that transfer to FFL 03s, but it is strictly a business decision (same for other places that sell firearms, having a FFL 03 doesn’t mean you dictate the sale). If they don’t want to, you fill out a 4473 and do the NICS. Any C&R firearms I have do not need to go in the A&D book, nor ones I do not use the license for, unless I dispose of them with my license... but if I put stuff I acquired previously in there, and an actual inspection does occur, those firearms must be accounted for. If they are in a common safe, she said to tag the ones in the book, but if the agent questions a firearm in the safe that isn’t in the book, some sort of proof may be required (Certificate of Eligibility, for example). I definitely was surprised at how nice she was, as well as how open she was for helping with any questions I (or others I may turn to her; her offer) may have. If I ended up disposing of a firearm, she said to definitely check state laws, as some have similar restrictions as NJ (NYC, was the first one that came to her mind). If I wasn’t sure, she told me she likely couldn’t answer legality outside of NJ... but she would get me in touch with someone in that ATF office who could help. She said that she doesn’t want to jam people up if a mistake is made, but rather people learn how to do the Federal aspect of it correctly. Completely respect that. FFL 03 related stuff... NJ is the main state where the ATF interviews all applicants. She said it was dropped from like 2003-2009, and they just had nothing but problems. The interview isn’t really to make sure you aren’t a piece of crap, but to make you aware of Federal and NJ laws. They also try to do an interview once every other renewal (six year intervals), as it allows them to make sure the collector is up on any changes... as well as allows them to ask questions they might not want to call ATF regarding. If she is an example of the Trenton office, they definitely are a good resource for people with questions.

I was talking to the ATF agent during my interview... and the subject of gun shows came up. There are exemptions for NJ FFLs to sell certain firearms at an out of state gun show (namely C&R, but she didn’t go into more detail), but it is illegal for how NJ FFLs would setup and transfer handguns to individual NJ residents at Oaks and other PA shows. Figured I’d add it in here, as it was common enough for her to know about it. Be careful with that.

M1A, you’ll find them in your range locally... might not be a N/M or Loaded, but a standard M1A should be available under that price. A nice Garand can usually be found between $1,000 and $1,500 (shooters, even slightly less)... unless it is rare for whatever reason. Field grades were decent, and in the $650 range. People reselling them drives the price up, but at a certain point... it is a Garand. There are a metric (or imperial) crap ton out there. Will likely save on clips over magazines. Just be careful with ammo choices with the Garand (or get an adjustable gas valve).

Black Aces Tactical did some 12” 1100 SBS, which look pretty awesome. Guess they couldn’t get non-shotgun 1100 receivers, but they offer an 18.5” “non-NFA” version. But if I’m going short, I want “firearm” short. Or maybe I’ll file for a SBS stamp when I leave NJ. http://www.blackacestactical.com/semiautomatic-shotguns

New movement in L/E guns... look at CBP’s requirements for their next pistol; cut for RMR/Delta Point. From what I’m hearing (I’m in BP application process, so very interested in the results), you likely won’t see CBP issuing red dots to all personnel, but will likely be an option for those who want it. Supposedly, they sent out surveys to field personnel, which formed many of the requirements of the solicitation (three sizes of pistol/with some interchangeability, no external safety, striker fired, 9mm). It is very forward thinking, as I think RDS on pistols is just at the verge of coming more mainstream. Even if they don’t get RDS on them from Jump Street, you have the ability to add them is a smart decision.

Got a call today from an ATF agent, scheduling an interview regarding the application. Very nice, and was very concerned with working with my schedule (day next week, I have a morning doctors appointment... so did for later in the day).

Legality aside... if range officers do try that crap, I do hope that members post about it on here. Don’t get me wrong, their range, their rules. But trying to jam up people on the same side... I’d never put a penny into the pocket of such an organization.

Understood... but he asked about buying from a FFL 01.

And to make it clearer... not in NJ. Still have to go through the same steps as if you didn’t have the FFL 03. But being you do a 4473 and NICS, you don’t need to put it in your book (unless you use your FFL 03 to dispose of it; forget how it is written in, but if you dispose of previously owned C&R firearms, you put something to the affect of acquired prior to license issued).

Define “not break the bank...” For M1As, take a look on M14 Forum. Don’t know if KurtC is on here much, but got a great deal over there on an older N/M M1A from him. Less than 50 rounds through it, and was a little less than what a new N/M gun goes for... seems like not a big deal, but earlier guns were usually built with USGI parts (case with mine). M1As are nice, Garands have a little more history. Neither are exactly cheap to get into... at least until the new shipment of Garands come in from CMP. I think they still offer Field grade rifles for $650... if that interests you. Most everything else, including Specials, are at or over $1,000. I got my Garand locally, for pretty cheap. It is a Century built gun... Lithgow receiver, brand new VAR barrel, and mix of Springfield and PB parts. Was cheap enough that if the receiver was garbage, I still had the value in parts. Sent it to Shuff’s, Tim confirmed it was good to go, and I had him redo the entire rifle. Looks like how a new Garand would have came out of the arsenal. But true USGI guns, unless they are trashed, expect to pay $1,000+. Pictures of my Garand...

Say one post, go to AC, and 30 posts go up overnight... hope nobody got bent out of shape from my original post. Was going to post a reply, but knew I was going to hit traffic, and then kind of forgot. Apologies if any of this was posted before (I did see a spot or two already brought up). Personally, I view the outside of NJ part a non-issue. The FFL 03 allows you to purchase outside of your state (no NICS, no 4473... on C&R firearms; says firearms specifically, so pistols included), but state laws must be followed. NJ doesn’t have jurisdiction in PA, for example. And it isn’t a carry license, so transportation laws must be followed. If a pistol purchased legally outside of NJ needs a permit, then all pistols owned by people moving in should be placed on a permit. Or purchasing a blackpowder or BB pistol outside of NJ, which is legal, would then need one. From how I read it, that isn’t illegal... but you must follow handgun transportation laws once back in NJ. Why does it have to be a friend? And why only a FFL 03? Neither are a restriction by Federal law. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/whom-may-unlicensed-person-transfer-firearms-under-gca Per that, intrastate transfers have a base... but you must follow your state’s law (NJ). But then read down towards the bottom... as long as it is a C&R, a FFL 03 can receive from an out of state individual (I would think a non-NICS/4473 from a FFL 01, as well... but didn’t look that far into it; but if not, how does AIM Surplus and other sources just send firearms to people’s homes in free states). Just confirm the sellers info, and put it in your book.

To expand on this and respond to Mike J.’s post, when you fill out the application for the FFL 03, it clearly states that the license does not supersede state/other law. It also states it is not a license to carry, use, or possess a firearm (similarly stated for other FFLs, as well). A M1 Carbine is technically a C&R weapon. However, it is an “assault weapon” under NJ law. Getting one via a FFL 03 may be possible, but once you bring it into NJ, you are in violation of NJ law (second degree crime). Not a smart move, nor would be one I’d suggest... as it is clearly against the law (no gray area at all). Even getting a trapper model Winchester/Marlin, with a sub 16” barrel is “allowed” with a FFL 03... still can be jammed up by NJ law (a “sawed off shotgun...” which that definition still pisses me off). Getting an FFL to do shady crap is just a bad idea... pretty close to as bad of an idea of just doing shady crap. Magazine capacity (as specified under the law) is still 10 rounds whether you have a FFL 03 or not. Having that license doesn’t give you any benefit in regards to specific types of firearms over any other civilian within NJ. All it does is if you purchase a firearm from another FFL 03, you do not need to go through a FFL 01/NICS. It would be similar to a current private transfer... but would be recorded in both bound books. Is this something that is going to be super awesome for me when it comes back? No... at least while I am in NJ (well, discounts from some websites are good). Once I’m outside of NJ, and change the address (three year license), I’ll be able to have more latitude of what I can acquire. Handguns, rifles (M1 Carbine, specifically), and things considered “assault weapons” can then go straight to my home. Stuff in NJ, I’m sort of good on rifles... but I will say that there is always the chance I find something new that I’d like to pick up. I’d probably have a better chance at getting a pistol off the license than anything else (a CZ-52 is on my short list... also a Makarov; I also wouldn’t mind finding a few Browning designs prior to the 1911, as well as S&W revolvers). If you aren’t into older firearms, then getting the FFL 03 likely isn’t an awesome return on investment. But some of the early Colt ARs are starting to get C&R status... so definitely something to look forward to (again, outside of NJ).

Still working for me... again, history/search issues aside.

Still up, with posts being made within the past 5 minutes... only log in through Tapatalk, though. It was completely down yesterday. Some people are complaining about search issues, and I noticed that my participated threads weren’t showing up. They are likely having server issues. I’m sure it will get fixed.

Thanks for the heads up, but was already gone over... Statement originally used “firearms,” which the person should have wrote “semi-auto firearms.”