Combat Auto

My PD says she is so overwhelmed, in Ocean already

Would someone please post Daniels latest vid, only thing I can find from him was a vid from last December...Thanks Kindly!

Thanks for the info...I find the spite angle kinda incredulous personally now that the SC has ruled on this. And especially if they take their spite and share it with every wana-be permit holder in Monmouth...Would any rational person with a cushy judge seat take a risk to their job as such...And indeed the spite angle doesn't explain Ocean as you imply. If it is applied to all persons in both counties (TBD), I think it is a more deep-routed belief system guided by their political Ideologies...Yea, and (maybe) they collaborated on an ideology, but not cross-county "spit", imo. If my permit comes back restricted, I'll be Lawyering up immediately, no way they can get away with this for very long anyway.

Great post meaning the job you did in encapsulation and postulation, not what they are doing to us... What did Mr. Francisco do to piss these 2 counties off?

Smart thugs and even most of the stupid ones don't "open"-carry (gun/knife/Billy-stick, etc.), would be nice but they don't want to make it too easy for their victims. This goes full circle back to the debate of what distance does Granny need to qualify for her pistol permit...25 yards? One would have to think long and hard of where civilians can prove a deadly threat at that distance. Mass shooter, sure, but statistically that is so rare. Some other very rare event, sure...But it is usually right in you face when thug jumps you. Hard statistics show something like 20 feet and under cover 95% (or so) of non cop SD incidents. If you have a 20 feet "warning" consider yourself lucky, most are a lot closer than that. Remember distance is your friend in SD, for a thug who is after you, it is just the opposite, they want to be able to smell your breath if they can before they make their move/show their evil intentions.

In NJ anyway, you will not do well with deploying your gun in a pre-emptive manner because you "think" someone is a thug...You better know so based on what he is doing...Walking by your car door, walking on you property without making any additional threat (right or wrong) doesn't qualify. Not in nj.

But if you point a gun at someone just because he is walking by your car you might be going jail...This is not like Hollywood, you better be sure you can prove a legitimate SD threat before you whip it out. In the moves it is usually an obvious decision, in real life not so much...A smart thug will wait till you are stuck in traffic and not pull his gun out until he is right next to you. Or it may turn out he had no gun and was just crossing the street...You better know what you are doing out there.

Nappin has a Carry seminar on Sunday, I will not be there but a Forum Friend from the 1911-F will be there asking this (about the driving restriction) and other questions of Nappin...I'm eager to know how this obvious unconstitutional restriction will be resolved (IF) indeed it turns out the Judge is now putting it on everyone in the county.

Jim, did you get your carry permit from the Ocean county judge and was it "un-restricted"? Just trying to figure out if this Judge is giving everyone in the county restricted permits or just on a case by case basis? Thanks, -Joe

Yes, and the Thug gets a free Gun too given that it was locked up in the trunk...Gotta hand it to the folks writing these laws! Generally, one can't use a firearm just to prevent stealing (if) there is no deadly or serious bodily harm threat on you, but if thug is pointing a gun at you when he is going to steal your car or anything else from you, that certainly qualifies as threat of death and SBH.

I'll tell you sounds messed up...Get to ones destination, get out, open trunk, load gun in public, holster...A good way to get dead...Doing it in the car might be a little better but not much. This has to be a pre-ruling mindset and totally unconstitutional under shall issue.

Jim, thanks for your post...Did David give any further information on what is going on now which should negate this restriction in a few weeks? Is it something he and other 2A lawyers in NJ are fighting right now? Did he give you any insight if these counties doing this are doing it to all the applicants there, or using some other made-up criteria to single some people out on a case by case basis? Thanks in advance! Joe

Yes, this is very true...Unfortunatly (some) not all qualification ranges and some other private qualifications officers are telling people they have to qualify with each gun (and they make money from it)....ianal but njs 2c:58-4 section a, seems pretty clear to me.

There are hidden agenda's here, people are selling courses and looking for customers and of course are going to be biased to the methodology they are selling...Pick a Qualifying officer that suits your SD lifestyle and beliefs and go for it. If you think getting "tested" at 25 yards is adding value to what you are already doing at the range, go for it...If you think doing something which involves more stress at overwhelming statistical "civilian" SD distances whould add more value to whatever you do now at the range go for it. Just by luck yesterday, the latter worked for me (as I already shoot 25 yards every time I go to the range)...Or maybe pick a venue which offers both of some... The important thing is to make your own decision, rather then listen to self proclaimed experts "wispering" in your ear on the internet as to what is best for you. With that I take my leave, it has been nice, I'll be back next time we have a once in a lifetime ruling from SCOTUS which has emancipated us by giving us the ability to reclaim a freedom we should never have lost. And maybe create even (more) gun related business opertunities in NJ - LOL! Good luck on your qual, I would expect most on the NJGF will do well wich ever approch they take. It has been fun, Adios Amigos!

Well, I'll add, if one is a very experienced shooter, it was valuable in that sence because you are just slightly incrimenting your skill set, if one is not so experienced it might not work out too well...Our metaphoric "Granny" who I introduced last week in debate here who likely dosn't go to the range much, probably would have a hard time with it and as such not get much value. She would be much better off starting with a more formal training class. But rest assured, even though 2 or 3 people where moaning and groaning about how difficult it was, everybody past. I told the instructor it was a totally Hoot (reminded me of USPSA), only that I was having trouble hearing him a bit. If you have been shooting for a while and say around once a month in frequency or say 9 times a year or so, and especially if you have competed in USPSA or equivelent, you will not have any issues passing.

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It is interesting when I called for the appointment the Lady who scedules told me the reloads where not on the clock, so it was a surprise when I got there yesterday... In the pre-briefing he did say we would shoot 35 rounds and reload on the clock, meaning changing mags and also stuffing rounds in the mags on the clock. NO time out to re-stuff your mags. (we of course were allowed to pre stuff the mags we had before it started) Most of us had 3 mags so we knew we would have to stuff 5 more rounds into mags at some point. One guy had only 2 mags so he had a bigger challange...One guy came with 5 mags so he didn't have to do any stuffing on the clock. Kinda weird they did it that way, they should have just told everyone ahead of time that we will all use 3 mags to even the playing field. But net, net, the suprise about stuffing and recharging on the clock was a pleasent one, lots of fun and truly relavent-experience in a short 7-10 minuits. What is also funny, in preperation a week ago I shot the 50R FBI qual at my outdoor range, I started at 25 Yards COLD and worked inwards (to make it a little more challanging) with my 9mm PPQ 4". I scored a 98% only dropping 1 round (9mm is an easy round to shoot especially if one mostly trains with 45 - no wonder it is so popular). So the shoot yesterday was nothing like that, in retrospect it was a pleasent surprise as I did find value in the Qual yesterday.

It was at Shooters in Egg Harbor...They did a great job, well organized, quick in and out, the Q-Officer covered the fundi's of "Use of Force" - everyone here should know them by now, but there could be Nubies at the qual...And honestly the way this particular Q-officer ran the shoot it was a very good experience as far as being more realistic to SD than most venues (and I shot USPSA for 6 years too - which is also valuable in this regard)...And he did it in less than 10 minuts!!! The only "beef" I had as I stated above, was they should be using a Bull-Horn to shout the commands over all the shooting, easy fix not sure why they don't...Being on opesite end of the line, I had to stick my head (back) from my booth look at his partner who was nearer to me and get the comand relayed to me. This takes time and we didn't have a lot of it with the reloading and shooting all on the clock. Bright side, I had more induced stress than others, so I got some extra free SD training .

2 Fellas where watching us. Whoever signed the "paper' has lots of nice credential, by the "book", no idea what credntials the other guy has but he seemed to know what he was doing.

I did my Qualification shoot this morning...The shoot was a lot of fun, fast and furious, we shot 35 rounds in less that 10 mins, one person said 7 mins don't know if he actually timed it...It was all SD distances out from 3 to 10 yards, lots of 1-handed, one head shot. Fast and furious, barking out commands for the various mini-drill one after the other, no stopping, we were required to reload not only mags into gun but stuffing rounds into mags all on the clock...It was a total HOOT! Haven't had that much fun shooting since I gave up USPSA competition a few years ago. Every round I shot was spot on (9mm is a really easy gun to shoot especially given I mostly train with 45 cal), the biggest challange for me was to hear all the orders from the officer over the shots of say 7 shooters in the line up (yep, had my e-ear protection on full blast). He stayed mostly on the other end of the line up from where I was... I'd say, for a Civilian based on the OVERWHELMING statistics about civilian shootings it was a very appropo test (much more relavent than making Granny shoot out to 25 yards). It might be a little challanging for Granny though based on the speed we went and having to stuff rounds (in) mags on the clock. One page listing all the guns you qualify with, which is really moot, the statute is black and white qualify with one gun covers you for all guns you own. Well, the rest is paper work to get the permit, and we have to shoot/qualify every 2 years which isn't too bad.

Nope, not GFH.

I am being told that some of them include 5 lines to fill in (as needed) for the guns you qualify with.

Ha, ha, ha, wow, now I know why you had such an "unbiased"-LOL! opinion about harping on quals at long distances. Nice little gig, I'm jelous ;-). This is just too much (in funny way)...The friendly ribbing aside, glad you are offering it so people can get their button. Still, I need to laugh a bit more - LOL!

You arn't going to get anywhere with logic here because some want to show how many testosterone pills they use per day rather then be rational about this -LOL...They keep making comparison of how a LEO/X-leo may need to qualify and to what Granny might need. As if they have the same "duty" with a gun. It stupid on the face of it...Now they are going to get outrages at this post and say "didn't you see the mall-mass-shooter slayer last week, Granny needs to be able to defend herself at 45 yards - don't you know!" as IF that event carries any statistical significants for Granny. And we don't need to make excuse for Granny or anyone at any age, healthy or not, who may just want their carry to defend themselves at (lets call it) statistically significant civilian SD distances, which everyone should know by now is about what this chart from lucky gunner shows (note this does not include police shootings because it would be statistically-stupid to do so. They have another graph for cop incedents). Oh look at that, 91% of the civilain SD shooting happen at less than 5 yards, and 95% less that 7 yards. If Granny needs to qualify at all that is the distance and no more, statistics, logic, and her Damm Constitutional Rights demands it. The rest is just BS.