Combat Auto

Yea, I'll put my magazines in a brief-case, BUT on the great lawyer's advise as in the advisory, also put some books in there, so when I register at the front desk and am asked what I have, I can say I have "Books and Magazines" -Can't make this crap-up- LOL!

But does it mean, if say, I give him two Walther PPQ 15 R mags, but he doesn't own a Walther PPQ (and obviously will not use it for carry), is he doing something illegal by having these two mags in his house?

What a crap situation overall...I was going to have my neighbor hold a variety of 15ers from different pistol's and rifles. He is a retired NJ correction officer. However, this crap came out of the ANJRP attachment: "EXCEPTED PERSONS: .... Retired law enforcement who have a NJ Retired Police Officer card (“R.P.O. Cards”) are excepted, but only up to 15 rounds. A retired law enforcement officer authorized to possess and carry a handgun may also possess and carry a large capacity ammunition magazine if that specific handgun is registered for this purpose with the NJ State Police. ..." I bolded/underlined 2 sentences. The first one is understandable and was my understanding and hence my reason for asking my neighbor to "take" them...The second sentence is something I hadn't notice before, and don't quite get the point of it, or what it is trying to point out. Why is that second sentence needed if the Retired LE has the RPO card (don't all them retired LE's have the "card")? Anyone care to take a shot?

Agree, no group will survive long-term without solidarity. Maybe they could back 200Y ago, but today, when the Lefty operates in unison on their side, plays the long game, and is bent on controlling every aspect of our live's, it isn't looking good long-term.

Yep, it was DOA when initiated, exactly as you posted, because the underlying issue goes unresolved.

I personally don't think the storage cost being sponsored here makes sense. In 3 years of storage cost you can pay for almost any new mag, except a few 2011 models. I don't think we will be hearing from the Supreme court by then (if ever) on this suite in particular. I suppose if one is going to be moving soon it might make sense at 1.25/mag/month. I am happy what ANJRPC has tried to do on this suite overall, the suite was well written and thought out and reference rich. I put all the blame of failure so far on the Federal District judge, his reasoning was weak, and his bias obvious. If he wasn't biased in favor of the state we would have won at least with one of the main 3 complaints. For example, grandfathering, compensation, parity with ret-cops for those who have 15r already in possession. That said, i am left wondering how ANJRPC is managing this injunction/stay appeal. It was immediately denied "without prejudice" and with no explanation. ANJRPC says this may mean the A-court will rule before dec-10 on the main case (rather than the injunction). Is there any reason our lawyers can't ask the A-Court their intentions, that is if they are done with their standing denial, or if they do in fact intend to rule on the main case before dec 10? This would be helpful to all involved, so we, and our Lawyers can take the next step now. Or perhaps in our modern day Land-of-OZ, it would be considered too forward for the peon-subjects to question the "man behind the curtain" with this small question of clarification - LOL!

Yea, good idea, maybe if we ignore The-Lefty they will just go away and leave us alone. You probably don't vote either. The usual attitude for "success" some people have, do nothing, but bitch and complain about those people and organizations who try to do something.

So you feel you should provide this "Sage-Advise" because you know better than all the many people who are donating...And you feel that doing nothing is better than doing something...And you want to make it even easier for The-Lefty to screw us, by doing nothing...I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not this naive, but rather you are getting some bad advice from someone in the Murphy's administration. Your word's of "wisdom" can only come from the same group of people who are working to make NJ a full Sanctuary-State.

I was surprised about the "only one expert approach" on our side also. Apparently, the "law" is somewhat subjective (like it or not), flooding the "zone" would be better I believe. Would it have change anything this time? I would guess not, reading the court ruling, sounds like the judge already knew his ruling from the minute he got the case, and just found a subjective way to get there....In the unlikely chance it gets to the Supreme's (I mean I hope it does), our side should have more expert witnesses.

Easy to understand their "logic", repressing their citizen's is a top priority, precedents along these lines in other Lefty-States helps their cause. Financials? Ha, just wait till The-Murf makes it a sanctuary-state (fully kicks in), what is the cost of a few Lawyer's to write an opinion compared to supporting endless amounts of illegal's.

Just an opinion, I think it is unlikely, unfortunately, that the Supreme's will get involved with the 10R limit...I do think there is a very good chance as it is an even bigger violation of 2A that they will take the Shall-Issue Carry suite. Their decision to take it or not, but I can't see how they can flat-out ignore it, and we should win now with +Justice K., albeit several-years away before any decision.

Not looking good fellas...Disgraceful, cronies', treat illegal's better than American's who own gun's (many who served in the US-Armed-Forces) . But it is what it is.

As posted above, I think the Judge is a wimp. But, I am very happy about what I've donated to ANJRPC, it is a tremendous amount of work, and we got a reminder of this when they sent out their appeal docs for us to look at yesterday. And no one else is going to help us, if not them. Still, strike one is done. And by time the appeal is counted we will be very close to the deadline. Longer out, I'm not sure the Supreme court will take this case (if it comes to that). The carry-case in progress, likely yes, but I am not sure they will get involved over "5 rounds" sought to speak. I would hope they would but just trying to face reality. Some of my 15r I will convert to 10 with mag-blockers, and some of them I decided to donate to the NRA (if the appeal doesn't come through). The latter is just another option, they will even give you tax deduction documentation if you want. And in effect, you can feel "good" about helping them just like a $$$ donation. My understanding is they sell anything firearm related stuff at auction. Speaking with them today, they asked me if they are in good condition, yep, and some are brand new. So whatever they get will go to a good cause. They will call me in mid-Nov (which per ANJRPC is the expected date of the Appeal outcome), as I've told them they need to be off my hands by 12/10. Just something to think about if you don't want to store them on a deserted island, or bother with blocking/sealing them.

Yep, this judge wimped out...It isn't ANJRPC's fault, read the courts decision, it is a bunch of crapola justification. And folks bragging here about not donating to ANJRPC, probably pound their chest in the mirror about how they don't vote either, and are no better than this judge, IMHO of course :-).

Unbelievable, can't even win a temporary stay. The Judge is a coward. I doubt he even gave it much thought. There is nothing "unusual" about a 15 round magazine, it is legal in the vast majority of these states, the Judge either didn't give a dam, hates guns, or is too ignorant and was swayed by the word "Large"...This should have been a no-brainier.

Agree, same here, making my biggest and most frequent donations ever. Hope everyone is doing their part and not using little excuses as a reason not to. This is all we got now, gun owners blew it last November (I still can't figure out that one, just because Christi was laying on a closed beach looking like, well ;-)...No reason to stay home).

Trying to figure out the "logic" in anything The-Lefty does is a waste of time (ok, maybe it is an emotional release which is fine). I would of liked an answer yesterday like everyone else, but the arguments for our side are strong. I don't know how well our Lawyers present things real-time in court, but the written brief is very well done (not to be mistaken with perfect :-)), factual, connected to law, and precedent. Hang on to your 15's for now as is, plenty of time before December if things don't go well in August. But I believe we will get the injunction unless the Judge is asleep at the wheel or a Closet-Lefty.

Seems yesterday was a warm-up for the judge. Factual presentations in detail mid August, no decision likely till end of August. Just keep your 15 rounders as is, plenty of time before December to do whatever you need to do if it doesn't go well. I can't imagine not getting the injunction though, unless the Judge is asleep at the wheel, or a closet-Lefty-Activist.

To me, the first two points are intrinsic to the argument. But, you should send them feedback, their lawyer can articulate your concerns....Your last point, that stuck out to me also, and I didn't think it was a great idea. But I am not complaining. The two suits in total are a fantastic effort. I've been wondering for years WTH NRA and affiliate were doing for us in NJ. I now have no complaints.

C'mon Capt', you (have) to read the suite :-). It is a good read, actually. Short answer, it is only one major argument of 3 major argument's. Each major has many minor in each section.

It is the "easy" call to say the suits will fail (and you may be right in the end). The hard call is to fight for what is right and having a chance to win. We have no other choice unless you want to roll-over and play dead. This goes well beyond the 10R mags, do nothing and The-Lefty will be embolden to lower it to 5r in a few years (maybe sooner). Sounds like that is what happen during the 30-15 change, we did nothing.

Pretty funny. Some folks bitched and complain when we had no suits from NRA/affiliate (I was one of those people wondering WTH they were doing for us). Now that they have 2 suits going, I am happy with them and donating more then ever. But someone is always bitching about something, now we have a few people bitching about HAVING the suits. LOL! Just shows you can never please everyone :-).

I wasn't active in the sport back in the 30R days. Did the NRA or affiliate in NJ actually bring a law suite against NJ when it was reduced to 15?

Need the suits, that is all we have at this point. Instead of bitching about them, donate to the ANJRPC litigation fund, it might make you get over your despair, it usually works that way.