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Yes, if it was only about money, he wouldn't warn us about a thing and wind up potentially with more business. Although, I didn't agree with some of his advise, I do find the package we got from ANJRPC yesterday interesting. I think he provided a decent amount of free advise in the rare case a Trooper comes knocking on one's door. I think he made a good case as to why this time it is different than the last time because the state has better data-bases, knows exactly what gun's we own, knows which ones came with greater than 10R, knows who among us have a large # of guns...What would kick off a targeted house search, hum, maybe a mass shooting with a 15R magazine in NJ. Yep, there would be nothing rational about this, but if Murphy wants to make a point about how he is anti-gun and tuff on crime, it just might happen. Let's face it, we as gun owners, concentrated, registered, are a wonderful-higher-probability of success group-target for the state to manifest their Nazi-Tendencies. And they could run a filter to concentrate on "enthusiasts" who have many guns to raise the probability of success of a hit/violation even further...Can't happen in America? Think again. "House to house" searches, nah. Selective "Targeted House searches" (at least attempted), could happen under the right circumstances. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/11/nj-state-police-refuse-to-rule-out-house-to-house-enforcement-of-high-capacity-magazine-ban/ "The New Jersey State Police corresponded with Breitbart News on December 11 and refused to rule out house-to-house enforcement of the state’s “high capacity” magazine ban."

Yes, Sniper's analogy got me thinking...The better analogy might be, 2A in nj is a terminally ill patient, and the lawyer in question is 2A's doctor. There is only so much he can do to keep the patient alive. ;-)

That is a ridiculous comparison, a court case involving an opposition party and some judges who may be irrational, to a tradesman working at your house on inanimate-object...But we can end this pain and suffering of our conversation. I get it, you hate him, he suck's, he doesn't win. But we you have no idea what exactly he did wrong in our 10R limit case. Fare enough.

LOL, I think you are pounding your chest as much as the person you are complaining about...And if you can't identify what was wrong with the suite, it just amount's to random bitching and complaining (which of course is your right, they haven't outlawed that yet in NJ ;-)).

I see you didn't attempt to answer even one question from above, which doesn't surprise me, because the suite was well written/presented and the rulings were mostly BS...But you did answer a question with another question. Maybe you should defend us - LOL!

Cheeze, you read our suite and the BullShit the judges responded with in their rulings, except Bibas with his great dissent. Tell me what lawyer you think would have turned the judges (who don't follow the constitution) to our side? Tell me what legal-holes where in the ANJRPC complaint, and tell me what you think they should have done differently? If you can't, like many of the posts in this thread, sounds like a bunch of standard bitching without solutions. And related above, we can make the same argument about the other two 2A orgs Maxim posted above. They look like they are doing some good things for us, but have they stopped, or overturned any anti-2A laws? (If so, I'll tip my hat and donate, if not, well...). I don't know Nappen from a hole in the wall, and he does tend to paint the darkest outlook, but if he didn't and someone got busted for a magazine, they'ed be the first person complaining that they weren't warned...Just random bitching and complain, although a great emotional releases, and sometimes fun, isn't going to drive donation's and other efforts for our side. And likely will discourage some, and that is why it is counter-productive. Now someone is going to tell me Nappen is overpaid, no-crap, he is a "Lawyer"! -LOL!

A lot of this thread has turned into another fine example of gun-owners eating their own. Yea, I get that the daily e-mail's which "do sound scary", and the distasteful daily-ad for the 1.25$/mag/month, come across as self-serving. That said, it is someone foolish to display all this negativity against the only organization, and the lawyers they are using, which is fighting for our 2A rights in this state.

From wiki: Broadly speaking, a risk assessment is the combined effort of 1. identifying and analyzing potential (future) events that may negatively impact individuals, assets, and/or the environment (i.e., risk analysis); and 2. making judgments "on the tolerability of the risk on the basis of a risk analysis" while considering influencing factors (i.e., risk evaluation).[1][2] Put in simpler terms, a risk assessment analyzes what can go wrong, how likely it is to happen, what the potential consequences are, and how tolerable the identified risk is.[ ...So, yes, the probability of getting caught is extremely low, but the penalty is extremely high. And if one is caught, the state may want to make an example of you. Money is one thing, but how tolerant are you and your family to jail time. For what 500$ or so worth of magazine, is it worth taking this risk, everyone can choose, but not something I would take on (If they come for our AR's, etc., in the years to come, that would be a different assessment, for a different time)...And lets be honest, hope I am wrong, but I doubt the Supreme's are going to take this case, and the likelihood of ever using these mags again (unless you move out) is very low. Ship them to a relative OOS or something (one that doesn't charge you 1.25$/month/mag-LOL!) eliminate the risk all together but still have a way to get them back in the small chance the law is overturned.

While I agree with you Maksim, the daily ad's in the e-mail are very distasteful. But we need to keep this in perspective, overall it is a small matter, and ANJRPC, which so many of us have donated to for the two lawsuits this year, is doing all of us a great service. With the amazing fact that our fellow citizen's, gun owners or not, allowed Murphy to get in, with the amazing fact how inept the Republican Party has been at the federal level to help those in lefty states, ANJRPC is all we got. They are doing 95% good stuff, I can tolerate the 5% which misses the mark some.

I'm with you Bob, it gall's me that we can be treated like felon's overall, and second class citizen's vs cops/r-cop/etc., but if the supreme's don't start taking 2A cases, they aren't going to do us any good...I doubt they will be taking this case, unfortunately. Many of my mags are now in VA, I doubt I'll ever see them again unless I move to a free state (no plan anytime soon)... What's next? 5R bill, nah, not for a while anyway, that is one that likely will fail in the courts, even with lefty judges, they passed a 7r law in NY or NYC (don't remember if it was just the city or the entire state) a few years ago which was reversed by the courts...Internet ammo ban/registration, very possibly, and to me this is even worse than 10R limit overall. If one shoots their glock once or twice a year, maybe not a big deal, but for so called enthusiasts, with many guns and a lot of shooting, this is a big deal for a lot of reasons. NRA is fighting the Internet ammo ban in CA now, some wins and losses, don't know the latest.

I admit to my sin, but I hope I get off easy because there was no malice intended. :-)

I'll add, it is just the same person who brags about not donating to ANJRPC, and how bad our Lawyer's are, being himself. I'm sure he wouldn't be the type to serve in the military either and has 100 ways to justify it in his mind why he shouldn't :-).

Unlike the shit-ass situation locally, Democrats going wild at the federal level will just help P-Trump get re-elected in 2020. This way he can nominate more federal judges, which in our situation, is our only hope...Go House Democrats! Ban everything, investigate everything, you are doing great!

Yes, as much as I absolutely hate the 10R limit, personally, banning internet ammo sales (for me) would be a lot worse. California passed a similar law, NRA filed suite, I think the NRA had some intermediate wins, and some loses, don't know the status of the suit now...Of course it violates federal interstate commerce laws, but if it gets litigated by mostly lefty judges in district and appellate courts that will matter little, no matter what Chief-Justice Robert's says about "no Obama-judges, no Trump judges" - lol...Our 10R suits is a perfect example of this. ANJRPC presented a fine case, and after listening to the audio of the Appellate hearing yesterday, I'd say, our lawyer did a fine job, so the few who want to bitch about the failure rate of law suits (because of "our" lawyers) are bitching up the wrong tree (there isn't a lawyer on the planet that will change the mind's of ideologues)....Hope? We got a glimmer of it with Judge Bibas dissent and as P-Trump keeps appointing federal judges over the next 2 years, and if re-elected next 6 years, this should make a difference. We can thank Obama for his intrinsic-laziness leaving so many open federal slots to be filled.

Well, at least P-Trump's judge "came through". Some hope for a reversal in the supreme, (if) it ever gets there.

That is true, it is an enigma as to how Murph got in, if that wasn't enough motivation to get off butt, I don't know what is...That said, there are gun people and then there are gun people, enthusiast likely vote 2A first, I'm not sure about the other's. I bet a ton of the other's aren't even aware of the new mag law.

It will take more than some gun people marching on Trenton, it will take coordinated action on the national level by everyone in the 2A food chain, including gun manufacturer's, parts distributor's, and 2A support from other states. When the lefty is upset with something they all stick together, even the banks, the media, etc., etc...When 2A is assaulted we fight in in isolation, whether in NJ or other lefty states. No coordinated national effort (NRA where are you on this), no media coverage (fox where are you on this), gun manufacturer's where are you on this. All the while, the Lefty is happy to pick us off one state at a time...I guess when all the guns are gone in American, well those in law abiding civi's hand's, the gun manufacture's believe they can have thriving businesses selling to the ever-growing police state, military, and gang-banger's. And maybe they are right -LOL.

Good point, that is the up-selling they will do with us later, will have to pay for them to transport it - LOL!

I don't think this can be answered with 100% certainty. great-lawyer in his advisory, which you should read if you haven't, has approached this from the time the law was passed in the most cautious terms. Recall, his advise of not taking >10R mags to the range during the 6m grace period. Well, wth is the grace period for anyway, and how can I comply with the law if I don't take my mag-blockers/mag to the range to test them (before) I epoxy them. Many people have been using their >10 at the range in the grace period for this and other reason's...I haven't heard anyone getting arrested over it. So now the end is near, and we have to get rid of the mags we don't convert. great-lawyer, again with his super cautious approach advises transporting them by carrier. He does concede we may have to put them in our cars to get to the drop-off place though, (I was surprised he didn't insist that we call for the carrier to pick them up at our home - LOL). So bottom line for you, to be the most cautious ship them to your buddy when he gets home. But on the other hand, as long as he is out of state before the 10th, I think he can make an argument that his action's are part of helping you comply with the law (in the rare case he gets pulled over and has his trunk searched). In your shoes, I'd just ship them to him, what is it going to cost with insurance a few bucks. I can live with taking some risk due to inconsistent and unclear laws, I can't ask a friend to do that for me though, I wouldn't feel right...I was going to give mine to my neighbor who is a retired LE, but after reading the latest advisory from great-lawyer (with the darkest outlook, and ambiguous "rules"), I decides not to put him at risk and am now sending them to brother in a free state, a golden-land with absolutely no capacity-limitations :-).

There are several who are complaining a lot about the skills of the lawyer's. But I have yet to see any constructive criticism about the merits of the way the complaint was written and structured. There was one exception to this which I notice was posted some time ago, which I do agree with, should have had more expert witnesses for our side, but I doubt it would have changed a thing. So can you identify any glaring holes in our complaint against the state, on the merits? What would you have put in there, or taken out? Short of identify such stuff by you or the other's complaining, the only other thing we might conclude is that our lawyer(s) come across as babbling idiots because they freeze in front of the judge (is this likely?)...Oh, or it could just be that the F-District Judge is full of crap, and we do have evidence of such in the details of his ruling.

Although I am very happy with the effort ANJRPC put together to fight The-Lefty on this issue, and after reading our side's case, and the judicial ruling, I put the blame on the District-Judges bias, and not our Lawyers as the complaint was well structure, well stated, and well referenced. We should have won on any of the 3 main complaints, not to mention all of them, if judgy was fair minded and not bending to political pressure...That said, i agree with you on this guidance document. Very anti-climatic, and yep, another ad for the pay-for-storage option. But at least I know to combine my magazines with books wherever I go, so I can say, "Books and magazines", with a straight face. Wow! ;-)

Do what you want Einstein, I just stated what the great lawyer wrote in his assessment, I also said "fwiw". I think you may need to go back and start in Pre-School to build your interpretation-skills, or perhaps you just have to learn how to click on a link. Here, let me help you: 2. RENDER INOPERABLE. By December 10, 2018, render the non-compliant items permanently inoperable. Magazines are only rendered inoperable if they cannot be restored to function as a firearms magazine. Removal of all parts from a magazine and destroying them by crushing the magazine body in a vise and cutting up the spring should suffice for those who choose this option. Be sure the magazine is unloaded and wear safety glasses.

The way i read the law, a mag body greater than 10, even with no other parts, is still a no-no. The great lawyer say's to put the bodies to a vise, fwiw.

I was almost going to say "I get it now" until I re-read this other section of the great lawyer's advisory: "4. LAWFUL SALE OR TRANSFER. By December 10, 2018, sell or transfer non-compliant magazines to someone legally entitled to possess them. That means, among others, licensed NJ firearms dealers in good standing, active members of the military, active and qualified retired members of New Jersey law enforcement (meaning the retired member has an R.P.O. Card and a specific handgun registered with the NJ State Police that accepts the magazines being purchased), and residents of other states where it is lawful to possess magazines with a capacity over 10 rounds. See Section 7 below for more details on how to properly get your magazines to someone legally entitled to possess them. Firearms should only be transferred through an FFL (licensed NJ and federal firearms dealer)." -->This reads literally, that the Retired-LE must have "The-Card" AND a specific handgun registered with the state police which accepts the magazine. So in other words, if the LE doesn't own a Walther PPQ, he can't legally own a 15 R PPQ magazine. It doesn't make any distinction about carrying said gun or not. Now granted, Cops don't pull in other cops, generally speaking (professional privilege, he, he), but that aside, reading this section literally, would you agree he can not legally own a 15R mag of a gun he hasn't own/registered (according to the great-lawyer anyway)?