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yes, it's already 11:27pm tomorrow at the Int'l date line, so it looks like the ancient mayans must've been smoking something.

Jeez... now I gotta go to the dictionary.... ah... "sleepwalking".

Best advice yet given on this forum. Dateline: smalltown Ohio: Walmart has ONE AR-15 left, a Sig Sauer A2 hunting model. My sister instead buys the last Mini-14 left, and the last 160 rounds of .223 left in the store. Also went home and (back)ordered 4 30rnd Ruger mags. I wasn't a "current" gunner back in the last AWB, but this has all been quite surreal...maybe the Mayans ARE right... guess we'll find out at midnight.

So with LEOs, I guess the times are here where we are guilty until confirmed innocent? Nice.

What about being outside with it in a self-defending manner?

If the NRA compromises to much, trying to "not look like assholes", it's membership will plummet and their lobbying power will be gone. Bend over once = bend over always. The "compromise" worries me very much. If the AWB ends up being no more than the last one, I'll consider staying a member. If it's worse, buh-bye NRA for me. I've learned I can't trust other people to look out for my concerns. There will be point no being a member of a virtually powerless (apparently) organization. I haven't given up on them yet, but I've not been happy with their "compromising" in the past, so I'm not expecting much. In the end, it won't matter. "It is a just person who disobeys an unjust law" -Plato

+1. Great post.

You need to re-red my post. I said you can't violate ONE person's right based on what ANOTHER person might do. Read more carefully next time.

You can't violate one person's constitutional rights because of what ANOTHER person MIGHT do. This isn't the Minority Report.

OK, so- if for ANY reason the state or feds decide to "find out what guns you have", they can. Granted, you'd have to be under suspicion of something for that kind of legwork to happen, but the info IS available. My point being, too much legwork for any kind of future proposed confiscation of banned weapons... and I'm not talking about what's going on now with the new AWB, I mean ANYTIME in the future.

If the guns WERE locked in a safe, and the kid somehow found the key, or figured out the key code, or got the key from his mother somehow, I doubt you'll hear that on the news reports. So we'll probably never know. A law requiring guns to be secured is folly anyway, because it's unenforceable.

Sure, I'll say that. But I won't support a LAW of that sort at all. BIG difference.

Yes, I should...Just got back into firearms a few months ago, still playing catch-up. Thanks. SO- NJ know how many guns I have, and whether they are a handgun or long gun? And the feds know the actual models? (which means in NJ wants that info, it's a phone call away)... My point being, since NICS and the NJ AWB started, ALL firearms purchased since then are effectively "registered", even tho we don't have actual registration. (?)

So where is the line drawn between fed/state? I mean, last time, NJ had an AWB for years before the feds did. Then, when the Federal ban happened, NJ was already compliant. Then, the ban sunsetted, but NJ kept it. If the feds pass a stricter ban than NJ, but NJ itself doesn't...? Who's laws will we be under???

FFLs, correct me if I'm wrong... What makes this time different is, last time NJ did not know what long guns you had. SINCE the 91 NJ ban, all long guns do have background checks and paperwork filed with the state, so are effectively "registered"? So If you have one of the evil guns this time, they'll know it. Not saying they'll come and get it, but they will know you own it. Do I have that right?

AR/AK..... if they banned one and not the other, that would be stupid. And what about all the M1s? Mini-14's and Mini-30s? Where would they fit in? One of two things will happen: they'll try to ban ALL semi-autos or they'll add a bunch of specific guns by brand and model number. I find it hard to believe they'll just recycle the CAWB as it was... altho if that's as bad as it gets, i'll take it. And wait for it to sunset like last time.

That's actually a logical, solid argument. Of course you'd be called "ridiculous" for trying to use it.

That's the best modern statement I've yet seen on 2A. Saving that one.

uh... this might actually be GOOG news? I mean, come on... it's Buffoon Biden

Followed by a "military-grade ammo" display.

Count me in! I'll make the 3-hour drive to Cape May County! Next spring!! A "BBQ/FunShoot"!! I'll make some homebrew for the occasion... what do you think.... Glock Grog? Winchester Sarsparilla? Savage Ale? (before someone points it out, I'm OF COURSE kidding... I wouldn't bring alcoholic beverages to a "shoot", pantywaists...)

I can agree with that.

Shades of things to come if AWB2 is passed. Scary stuff indeed. "it was reported you made a comment on an internet forum about the 2nd amendment and a revolution; please excuse us while we step on your neck and turn your house upside down.... oh, everything fine here. Sorry for the inconvenience."

If they grandfather in existing weapons (NJ did NOT last time, from what I understand?), I'll deal with that, lay low until it sunsets. If they DON'T grandfather, (see thread on Feinstein's proposal, banning POSSESSION), that's a whole 'nuther story.

wow. there's some info I could have used in my endless debates the last few days...