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I'd love to hear how my .223 is "more high-powered" than their .308. Idiots. I've said it before and I'll say it again- it ALL comes down to WILLFUL IGNORANCE. ...of firearms, of the mental state of your kids/behavioral problems your ids may have, of your full responsibility as a gun owner, of thinking the govt will never "take your guns away", the list goes on & on... Willful ignorance will be the death of liberty.

Yeah can't do that- would surely be struck down as unconstituional. Can't restrict or take away one person's rights based on what ANOTHER person MIGHT do. That's not liberty.

+1. ALWAYS preferred the GOA.

And some people here acted like I was crazy...

Turn in my semi-autos? No. Accept some sort of AWB2 in return for nationwide concealed carry? Sounds "ok", maybe, at first glance... but I don't know how they would do it- trying to grandfather in existing weapons (banning them would be unacceptable), the only way to do it would be to ban the MANUFACTURE of semi-autos for the civilian market. Stop making them. But then, the millions in existence would be grandfathered in and legal. Anti-gunners wouldn't accept that. And pro-gunners won't accept AWB2 with federal CCW IF they had to relinquish their Semis. I don't see it happening.

It's a shame the people supposedly protecting us have such lack of knowledge on such matters.

"School Marshalls" - retired LEOs and military, protecting America's kids. Brilliant. A PR campaign waiting to happen!

WOW. Too bad it'll fall on deaf ears and get completely ignored by main stream media.

I was told by a local FFL that "flash hiders are illegal" so said his "trooper buddy who works in the firearms div. of SP." Then had it repeated to me by an employee at RTSP.

I thought of that, but even that law would be ineffective- no way to police it. No way to know the safe is being used, no way to know the kid(s) weren't given the combination, etc etc etc. While a good idea in theory, wouldn't work in practice. HOWEVER- I do think it is the responsible thing to do- gun owners SHOULD have their weapons secured to protect from theft and misuse.

There is no one answer. So until we as a society can figure it out, we have to be prepared for any eventuality we possibly can be. While an ounce of prevention might have stopped this from happening, the fact is, there is ALWAYS a chance this might happen, and so a POUND OF CURE my be at the ready at all times - arm the schools. I'm not one for bigger govt and more tax dollars being spent, but once again- gun laws have little to no effect; when someone wants to get a gun and kill, they do. So we must be prepared for that. Arm and train the schools, whether it's dedicated guards or the staff themselves. That's the only thing that could have stopped this (assuming bad guys will always get guns and try this crap).

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Timothy McVeigh did. The 9-11 hijackers did. The mother who drown her own children in the bath tub did. The list goes on & on...

I already said- a very public push for more gun control laws. Doesn't matter what they are. The stone has already been chipped away enough. We don't need it eroded any more. And- there's a good chance of it passing, do to the emotions of CT, the 3 incidences in the last 5 months, and the dem-controlled presidency and senate. But since you want to "push", let's speculate: a re-instatement of the AWB, with new weapons added? FEDERAL law. 10-round FEDERAL mag limit. And they don't have to grandfather this stuff in- NJ didn't. My point is, buckle up, because a fight is coming. And you'l be fighting at least 2/3 of the federal govt, and 9/10 of mass media. Not to mention the civilians who agree with them. We will be in the minority. Not a good position to fight from.

Did you not read the link to Bloomberg above? There WILL be a call to strengthen gun control laws, probably on a federal level. If Clinton got the AWB passed, what makes you think Obama and the dem Senate won't be able to get something passed?

This is the kind of person we are dealing with, people- he's someone on my local town bulletin board. The ignorance is astounding. "The point is laws can have an effect. I never said I wanted guns outlawed. As a matter of fact if someone breaks into my house, I will be more than happy to shoot them in the head. But I don't need a locker full of automatic weapons, with military grade ammo to protect myself. It might me hard to get a gun in NJ, but that is not the case in the rest of the country. If you don't think the legal ease of getting these weapons, which then end up in the hands of criminals, and lunatics, is a big part of the problem, you are delusional." It's people like this who will wholeheartedly support gun control legislation, even ASK for it, and vote into office those people who promise it. This is what we're up against. Willful ignorance. I asked him to define "military grade ammo" for me, told him if he knew anyone with a "locker full of automatic weapons" to call the police immediately, and explained how the gun purchasing process works in NJ- long guns easy, handguns wait. This guy obviously isn't a gun owner, based on his knowledge of NJ law, despite his "I'll shoot them in the head" comment. lol

I'm not sure the actual numbers are, but yes- that's correct. It was in a very famous and relatively recent FBI Crime Report. The one John Lott referenced for his book "more guns less crime."

It's coming people. Mark my words. The anti-gunners will have momentum on this one.

See? Maybe these people aren't actually crazy- they are just evil. Seriously.

...and the Clinton Administration gave us the AWB.... see?

Thanks.

Because you have an administration who would love to pass more gun control... they just needed a justification for doing so. Here's their justification. SO now, it's not like they'd be "going after guns", it's like they are "saving children"... see how politics works?

I'll add to that list the entitlement generation.

I'll be the first to say it... if the staff of that school had been armed, this wouldn't have been nearly as bad.

Looking at this page: http://www.nj.gov/dep/fgw/ranges.htm I only see "shotgun" listed as far as firearms are concerned, with .22 caliber only mentioned for Clinton... can anyone verify if .22 rimfire rifles are OK across the board, or only at Clinton? If I get my hunting lic. to shoot, it would be at the Black River WMA... and if I can't take my .22 there, I won't waste my time.