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I get the "I'm tired" sentiment. I get the "sick of range officers" sentiment, at some ranges more than others. I get the "what's the point, our enemies don't use logic and reason and facts and statistics, so it's impossible to 'win' a debate with them, their minds will not be changed" sentiment. We all feel it. Believe me, after Obama's re-election, I half-joked on FB that I was going to quit my job, join the welfare rolls, and suck up the food stamps like so many others do (altho even if I DID do that- which I would never- I still wouldn't give up my guns.) But we're not talking about an issue where OPINION is relevant: we are talking about a INALIENABLE RIGHT, that SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. But if anything, it just makes me more determined, hence my new avatar:

When I applied for my last P2P, my references were never contacted. When applying for my recent P2P (I don't have it yet), the clerk said that while we do have to list them, they won't be contacted, they only do that for FIDs. She also offered to go get my FID application info from 15 years ago if I needed to copy the references off of it. But my local acting Police Chief has no problem with the public buying guns, says if the SHTF he's gonna' need help. lol Last time it took every bit of 4 weeks (instead of the usual 3), and it was the SP holding up the works.

100% correct. Then tell whoever you are debating to look up the word INFRINGE.

I feel same, also about voting. Perhaps repeat offenders lose gun and voting privileges? One offense is forgiven, unless it is a firearms crime or causes someone's death. Otherwise, you have paid society's penalty, so you get your rights back, but only ONCE. IDK, kinda torn.

That's a sticky wicket. (imo of course) every single gun control law that has been passed is technically unconstitutional, based on the Founder's intent that the citizenry have access to the same weapons the govt does, so that they will always be able to overthrow a tyrannical govt, if neccesary. That WAS the primary intent of 2A. However, I can totally understand the want of people being trained (and acquiring a license to prove that they are trained) in order to own firearms. I get that. In the old days, parents taught their children such things, but in today's dumbed-down world, that's not going to happen. Other than that, the only other "sensible" (I hate that word- used by anti-gunners) gun control is the citizenry probably shouldn't be allowed to own mortars or tank rounds ( note the tanks themselves should be A-OK to own lol), etc. But, automatic weapons? Should be legal. Hollowpoints, tracers, armor-piercing rounds, machine guns, belt-fed .50 cals..... all should be legal. But the word "sensible" is used alot to make the pro-2A side "compromise"... as in, if we don't at least compromise with the anti-gunners wishes, we are somehow being UNsensible. BS. Law-abiding, Bill of Rights-following Americans have been fighting the specter of "gun control" since 1837. And every time the anti-gunners yell "at least you need to COMPROMISE!" If progressive gun control laws were fingers, toes, arms, and legs, and gun owners lost an appendage every time we "compromised" on this issue, we would be quadruple amputees by now. Damn. Gotta' go to work now. Gonna' hate missing this thread today! Should be interesting.

Fantastic.

Your 1st reply wasn't very clear...

Again, not what several FFLs here told me. It's the ONLY evil feature, therefore no pinning or welding required.

Thought this was rather apt...

Incorrect. Flash hiders are LEGAL, providing they are the only "evil feature". I've had a few FFLs on this forum confirm such before I made a recent purchase, as well as a local FFL who sold me a rifle that had a FH as it's only "evil feature".

That, and the fact that the republican party has abandoned conservatism- the republican party, by and large, is Republican In Name Only- RINO. I didn't abandon my party, my party abandoned me.

+1, but I've had a very difficult time finding any lately...

This brings up a related question: if someone's guns get confiscated on suspicion, which is then proven to be incorrect (the person was innocent), how long does it take to actually get your guns back? I've heard rumors it's a nightmare of red tape and waiting?

Exactly. And it's unfortunate that it's come to that, that it's the best that can be done, but that's where we're at until we get some other people elected. Or until the alternative.

I'm done.

Agree. We MUST contact reps, even if it falls on deaf ears. That's the way our country works. And when the day comes when the letter-writing stops.... that is also the way our country works. The attitude of "eh, why bother, I'll just wait until 'the end' and then start shooting" really annoys me.

We knew it was coming. Buckle up, buttercup!

With all due respect (?) anybody who sells a firearm they may not be able to legally buy in the near future is a damn fool. Carry on.

Sweet.

ah.... that's a show I don't watch, but I get the reference now...

You did note the

I heated an "area" (the word you used in your post)... and an "area" with an attached bathroom at that... for 5 days. You stand corrected. Gosh, I wonder how all those pioneers lived thru all those winters with nothing but a fireplace to heat their "area." I'm not saying i'd want to LIVE that way, but it works just fine in a pinch like a power outage. I, for one, wouldn't give up my fireplace for a WBS... generally, the room the WBS is in is so hot as to be almost uninhabitable, unless you're in your underwear. And it's not about saving money for me- I can afford to heat my house with natural gas. Besides- I LIKE my fireplace. There's something to be said for beauty over function once in awhile, especially when it's an UNnecessary thing in the first place.

You'd be wrong there, friend. During last year's Halloween ice storm (for 5 days) and during Sandy (for 3 days), that is exactly how I heated my family room (with attached bathroom, conveniently), and it worked great.

I know you used a smiley, but it's actually not funny- at this point int he game, a loss in ANY state is a loss for ALL of us, sooner or later...

Actions have consequences. I guess they will now suffer the consequences of their action. Funny how life works that way.