Howard

Excellent point, worth a good laugh too!

They generally do take a deposit, some are even paid for in full - but that does not make it easy. It is inventory they have to store and can't sell as it is already paid or partly paid for. They have carrying costs, liability, and just may not have to space to store these in a safe and protected manner. It just makes business more difficult.

You bet it's tough on stores. My lgs told me yeaterday they are sitting on over 300 guns that are purchased pending NICS approvals.

PLEASE EVERYONE, don't just bitch about what the Senate in NJ is trying to do to us, contact the governor via phone, fax, email and tell him why these laws are wrong. Do it every day. Fill up his inboxes and maybe, just maybe he will do something. Here is mine for this morning. Feel free to use it, or go write your own - but don't get mad - DO SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE: Dear Governor Christie: Laws need to have some basis in fact, and should not be arbitrary nor capricious. The package of proposed draconian gun control laws in New Jersey are both arbitrary and capricious with no basis in fact, scientific study, nor even common sense. We require traffic studies to be conducted before speed limits are set in this state, we don’t just pick numbers out of the air. When a highway accident takes place on a road with a 55 mph limit we don’t allow law makers to drop the limit to 25 mph just because it might save one life. So, why are we letting that take place with gun laws? Is it because they sound good to those that have no clue what the current laws already require? Think about this for a while, and read the proposed laws. One such proposal is to require a seven day waiting period to buy a handgun. One could argue this is nothing but an unconstitutional restriction of the 2nd amendment to the constitution, but I won’t go there. I will use sound logic to demonstrate it is nothing but a stupid ploy by Democrats to grab votes while discriminating against a minority group – gun owners. Democrats claim this will save lives by reducing domestic violence and preventing murders caused by guns that people buy on the spur of the moment in anger. Sounds great, but has no basis in fact – and once you think about it actually serves no legitimate purpose as no one under current law can legally buy a gun on impulse in this state. To buy a handgun you first have to get a firearms ID card (FID) from the state. State law requires this be done in under 30 days, but it is very rare to get one that quickly, and in many parts of the state it is now taking six months or more to get such a document. Once you have that you can only buy rifles or shotguns, not handguns. You also have to acquire a permit to purchase a pistol (P2P) which if you don’t apply for at the same time as the FID takes again the same amount of time to get. Once you have these permits you can then go to a gun store and buy a handgun, but wait, you have to wait again. You have to go through an “Instant” NICS check to yet again be sure you are not a criminal or mentally ill. New Jersey does not seem to understand what the word instant means, as these instant checks are now taking over 17 days. The only reason the state gets away with this is because gun owners obey the laws. Just imagine what would happen if the state government made people wait 17 days to get food stamps, welfare checks or even purchase a six pack of beer. So, why do we need to slap another seven day waiting period on buying a handgun? To make people think, really? Even if all these other things truly took place in an instant, such an additional blanket restriction still makes no sense. Even if it could be demonstrated that there was some shred of scientific evidence that this could stop crime, it would only make even a shred of sense for someone’ first handgun purchase. How does this serve any purpose when a person is buying their second or subsequent handgun? They already have one and could use that one to commit any act of violence, they don’t “need” the additional item they are going to be forced to wait for. The state already has records of ownership, so it is not an issue to make this apply only to first guns if it could even be demonstrated that the law would do anything other than limit people’s rights. This and most of the proposed laws are nothing but gut reactions that have almost no basis in fact and will do nothing to make New Jersey a safer place. They just illegally infringe on the rights of law abiding citizens and should all receive a veto by the governor. Howard

I would not wait. With all the crap going on in Trenton for all you know they could quickly pass a law saying no more extensions. Go in ASAP and ask. They are not going to take away what you have for asking. Go ask, they may just do it on the spot, or they may tell you that you have to wait -- it never hurts to ask the question.

It all depends on your town - gotta love this state where you get treated well in one area, but live a mile away and you get screwed. Some want you to come in just before they expire, some want you to come in that day, some want you to come in just after. I was very lucky when I last got mine. I got four at the time and immediately asked what to do as it would not be possible to use all in 90 days. I was told they could just extend them all on the spot for the full 180 max if I wanted. Sure is nice to live in a Republican town. Bottom line, you won't know till you ask.

I saw one in person once. I met another person that claimed to have one but I did not see it with my own eyes. So, as far as I personally know there is only one that was issued to a person that is not a security guard or has a LEO exemption.

YUP, UPS the way to go, and you can ship 110 pounds (or more if you like) rather than just limit yourself to 11 pounds. Get some for friends too, and remember we are ALL friends here

Just got (well I'm on day 17 of nics check) for a S&W 686+ 4" stainless. Got it for $729. Actually got to try it out on Friday and loved it. Super accurate. Shot .38 special and it felt like I was firing .22LR - just love it.

Not that many of us in "no carry" NJ would ever have an occasion to do this but this video shows what might happen if you had to shoot through your car windows at a bad guy. Interesting what the angle of the glass can do to the bullet travel: http://video.personaldefensenetwork.com/nra/shooting-through-automotive-glass/?utm_source=nra+&utm_medium=email&utm_term=video1&utm_content=sht-thr-glss-vid&utm_campaign=nrapdnmay13

Its about time some of this hit the lame street media.

Down to 1944, do not use the instock menu item, it is showing zero - go to the 9mm page. They have 200 cases of .45acp as well

Was not trying to be insensitive, guess you missed the part about it being a horrible thing to happen. Still, one should not allow fear to control their lives. This is not a raw wound, it happened 10 years ago. As they say when you fall off a horse, the best thing to do is jump right back on.

The new stuff is new. The re-manufactured is made the same as the new stuff except they use the casings that they get from people that send them in. They are not hand reloads, they are made on the same assembly line. I have used both types and only once had a minor issue. I had one round where the bullet head was slightly depressed. I wrote to tell them and they asked me to give them the code from inside the box. They then told me (and followed through) that they would send me a free box of 50 rounds for my troubles.

Can they even legally do that? Does that not run counter to their agreements with the credit card companies? What about Federal credit laws. Just imagine the outcry if they stated you could not use your card to pay for an abortion or a gay wedding

That is a horrible thing to happen, but she should try to get over it. If he had been killed in a car crash would she never go in a car again?

AND THAT is the problem with the stinking laws in NJ. It should not be up to a judge to decide. The laws should be clearly written so that the majority of us educated people can be fairly certain as to what they mean and not have to risk a visit to a judge to find out if what we want to do is legal or not.

Yes the shipping is a little high, but when I order I typically order two cases of 500 (you can do that if they are different SKU's) and the shipping typically is about $34 so that is only about three cents a round. I rather pay that and get something than pay less and get nothing or find my order went through and it is back ordered for three months and then later canceled. When they put up 50 cases they are normally gone in a minute or two. So, these 2,000 cases should last an hour or two, maybe....

Sorry can't do that, I don't believe in PC BS But I will prey each night that each and everyone of these "democratic" senators are involved in drunk driving accidents or drive-by shootings from gang-bangers!

This might be the way you do business, but it makes no sense and it does not push anything back. I went into my LGS one Saturday morning and found a great deal on a weapon they had in stock. I was not planning to buy anything then, but if I did not it would have been gone quickly. Had I needed to produce a permit I would have missed out on this gun. I bought it on the spot and they put in my Nics check. When it came back 8 days later (half the time of right now) I went in with my permit and walked out with the gun - no additional 30 days. I have no clue what you are talking about when you say it will push anything back by 30 days, that is not true. I guess if you are the type person that can't keep track of your papers it is best to put it in someone else's hands as quickly as possible. In my case I know I take better care of things that are important to me than any third party. As for complying with OGAM, that has nothing to do with permits. You cannot have the nics run for two handguns in less than 30 days. Further turning in a permit when you place an order does nothing, I have several and could go into three different stores today and buy three guns and turn in three permits. It is up to me to not have the nics run more frequently than every 31 days and not pick up the various weapons as required by the law.

No you badly broke it. Many (most, all, ???) stores will sell you a handgun without a permit and hold it until you get the permit. The permit is only needed to remove the gun from the store. Why would you want to have to miss getting a gun because you don't have the permit in hand. Many many people buy guns everyday while waiting for their permits to come in. There is no reason to hand it over before the nics comes back. What do you do when the store loses your permit -- not their problem, its yours.

Yea, and if the full senate here in NJ passes the crap they are voting on next week it will get worse in NJ. While they are not placing an outright ban on internet sales, they effectively are. Vendors will have to report the sales to the NJ state police. Since ammo is a sellers market why would they want to incur the extra paperwork to do that when they can sell everything they have to other states without doing that. So, most places will likely just put another footnote on their pages - no ammo sales to people in NJ.

Saw this on FB: Need 9mm? Today at 12 noon CST FreedomMunitions.com will have 1 million rounds of 115 grain FMJ 9mm for sale in 500 round boxes. Spread the word so everyone can get some! Stay tunes for more announcements coming soon! http://www.freedommunitions.com/category-s/1818.htm **** No I don't have any connection or financial interest in the outfit.

The store should not have your P2P until after the NICS are approved. That is when you go in and they put the approval on the form and the gun serial number and hand it to you. There is no reason for them to have the permit till the nics is done.