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Let's share the most convincing arguments we have: 1) I make it clear that "assault weapons" are no more deadly at classroom/movie theater range than a semi-automatic handgun 2) Such handguns are explicitly protected under Heller, so, within the constraints we have, banning AWs will have no impact 3) Even if all of above could be banned, what do you think of something that can put 45 pellets downrange in 5 seconds? (terrible!). Well, I've just described your grandfather's pump action loaded with buckshot. If I were a mass murderer, that's what I would choose, so why force the bad guy into what is actually a MORE effective tool. 4) A DOJ study of the impact of the Clinton ban showed, as expected, no impact on crime of the AWB 5) Point out some of what constitutes an evil feature. Two that I find powerful are: a) X length stock is legal, Y length stock is legal, but stock adjusting between X and Y is illegal. Good fit is a safety feature preventing unstable holding of gun. b) Safety feature that helps cool barrel and avoid burns is illegal. These have all been field tested and seem to work pretty well on anyone with half a brain and an open mind (yes, some antis have both.) Others?

Here's a fact sheet on current NJ law. I put it together to distribute at the recent Westfield anti-gun rally. The organizers refused to let me place it on the table along with the anti propaganda. I did manage to discreetly distribute it. I proposed a while back that we hold pure fact-based educational sessions for the public. I've found that a lot of people who breezily say "we should ban assault weapons" actually get quite curious when I teach them the intricacies of different kinds of firearms. They're not all bad people. Just misguided. Some people have expressed concern that it is “too easy” to get a gun in NJ. Here is what is required: 1. Submit application to police department 2. Obtain fingerprints for background check 3. Solicit two character references* 4. Obtain proof of employment 5. Await character reference review, background check results and police department approval. (Statutory requirement: 30 days. Actual time often 6-9 months, at the discretion of police chief) 6. Repeat entire process above, minus fingerprinting, for permit to purchase pistol. This permit expires in 90 days. Another purchase after 90 days requires the entire process to be repeated again 7. Present firearm ID and matching photo ID at store. Fill out paperwork for point of sale background checks. Two separate background checks are run: one at the state level and one at the federal level** 8. Wait for results of “instant” background check: currently running about 2 weeks 9. Return to store to pick up firearm Notes: · A total of 3-4 independent background checks are performed before a firearm can be purchased. · If the firearm ID holder is convicted of a crime or committed to a mental institution, the firearm ID is revoked, and the individual will fail any further point of sale background checks, thus blocking any future sales · Newark mayor Corey Booker recently stated that, after reviewing the history of firearm crimes in Newark, he could identify only one committed by someone who had undergone the above process *Some police departments illegally impose extra arbitrary requirements. These include notarization of character reference letters, extra character reference letters, and limits on number of handgun permits allowed ** Until recently, the point of sale background check was “instant,” being performed within 15 minutes of a telephone call. Recently, NJ has moved to a new system which imposes an arbitrary delay. These delays have been running 2-3 weeks, requiring two separate visits to the seller.

I've never been asked, but if I were, my answer would be: "If I did keep guns in the home, they would be kept unloaded in a 700 pound safe, which only my wife and I have the combination to." In their defense, not all doctors are asking these questions to pry. They're often held to "quality standards," which they hate as much as we do. Things like, "do you wear seatbelts," "do you have fire detectors." It's not their agenda, it's the agenda of the leftist professional societies. They resent being used as clipboard-bearing survey takers.

I thought both were legal as long as welded on. Sorry, I'm not too good with MSR features, as I don't own one.

Yes, and he seems pretty excited about it. I'll take the opportunity to give him hands on education on firearms. I'm also sending him a fact sheet I put together on the obstacles to gun ownership in NJ. He's the third person I'm taking to the range in the past 2 months. The other 2 loved it, and one is applying for FID and P2P. Shawn, I think a really effective poster would be along the lines of what Ted Cruz showed in the senate hearing. Start with a Remington Gamemaster. Then show a series of pictures with various evil features photoshopped in. Like a pistol grip. Or a bayonet lug. Or an adjustable stock.

What's the difference between those flash suppressor thingies? Is one of them a shoulder thing that goes up?

Thanks, Shawn! I just "wasted" 30 minutes with an anti and convinced him of a few key points: 1) AWB is stupid. 2) Heller provides strong protection which makes a lot of his proposed laws interesting intellectual exercises but moot from a real world perspective, 3) "common use" can be defined by what the police carry, and 4) he should come shooting with me on my next range trip. The key is finding antis who have some shred of logical capability. This one is a scientist and physician and very, very smart.

I don't remember the author. It basically showed near identical things--like a pinned stock vs. unpinned--and labeled one as legal, one as illegal.

There was a post recently with a bunch of posters showing the difference between NJ legal and illegal. I can't for the life of me find it. Can someone point me? I want to show it to an anti.

I don't see how lack of Republican support is a signal of Christie's stance. I can see it both ways. If Christie plans to veto, it might actually give some Republicans in Volvo-rich districts room to vote for the bill, knowing that they aren't affecting the outcome and undermining the party's opposition.

The best way I've seen it described is that the lower courts are committing an act of "civil disobedience" against SCOTUS

I took that to mean out of state dealers would have to log ammunition they ship to NJ. Unconstitutional as all hell, but when has that made a difference? If it's just a matter of them logging onto a web site and entering the data, that would be the least of our problems. A bigger problem would be if they had to scan our FID, which of course they can't, unless you mail it to them AND they choose to invest in the scanner for the 5 people in NJ who would actually go through with it.

And maybe pigs will fly, unicorns will appear, and property taxes will be cut in half. You guys are awfully optimistic. Let's not forget that Christie doesn't have to do a damn thing. In NJ bills do NOT require the governor's approval. If he fails to veto it, or line item veto it, it becomes law and he can say "I didn't sign it." Sorry, but that's the honest truth and will achieve what he wants politically. He gets more gun control (the appointing of Paula Dow and Jeff Chiesa support this idea) and he can say "It's not my fault." I don't think there's any political difference between signing and just letting it pass. Either way, he'll be held accountable.

We need to beef up the "new owner" column. I'm on my way to adding one. I took one of my work colleagues shooting a few times, and now she's applied for her FID and P2P. I don't have the heart to tell her that she may have to do it all over again in a couple of years :-(. I've got my radar on for curious non-gun owners. I'll bend over backwards to bring them into the fold. I think there's a political multiplier effect here. Everyone we recruit has family and friends. Even if they don't become gun owners, they can be educated and perhaps vote for common sense.

I'm not turning anything in but also not complying. I'll make sure to have what I need for the foreseeable future before anything it all kicks in in 2 years. I'm looking into ways to establish PA residency. This is good not just for guns but for taxes as well. Given what we're learning about the IRS and conservatives, I want to make sure I don't run afoul of the law. I think you have to "live" at your residence for a certain number of days. I can legitimately rent a crash pad near my company branch in PA and sleep there sometimes. Sadly, barring a return to the status quo ante, I don't see myself patronizing a whole lot of FFLs in NJ anyway. At this point, I just can't do the 2 hour round trip to my FFL, twice, to pick up a gun. Better to just find an FFL across the border and make periodic trips to stock up on guns/ammo/reloading components. The real risk without an FID is that I always feel uncomfortable transporting without my FID. I know it's legal, but I'm not sure the police know.

Since you have his ear, can you remind him of what will happen if everyone has to reapply for their FID and P2Ps every 4 years?

Does this mean they didn't screw us (yet?)

Link?

Just spoke with someone from Norcross's office. Looks like the bill is going to be voted on today, despite our protests. Time to start bombarding Christie and campaigning against Sweeney. This was a real knife in our back. He's vulnerable, and we can send no stronger message than getting rid of the president of the Senate.

Just called Sweeney's office this AM to express my concerns about the lack of public comment for S2723. They released the changes Friday night and are voting tomorrow. Someone actually picked up the phone. Give her a piece of your mind: 856-251-9801

When I read the subject line, I thought this thread was about S2723.

Maybe we can learn from him. Didn't he get special permission to carry otherwise illegal weapons by saving the mayor's son's ass virginity? This might be the best and only way to get a CCW in NJ.

Wasn't that the exact situation of the guy who got denied in the lawsuit (don't remember his name.) The defense is that it's "justified" only if there is no other way to protect yourself. Of course, you can always hire 5 bodyguards, like Bloomberg. Therefore, it's never justified. It's really sad that the judges and PA AG fall for the lie that NJ is a "may issue" state. If NJ were honest, at least we could get nonresident CCW in PA. It's a pathetic commentary on judicial activism that the claim that "95% of applicants are granted CCW" wasn't laughed out of court. The judges will do anything to achieve their own polical agendas. I've heard the lower court rulings described as "an act of civil disobedience" against SCOTUS and its recent rulings. I wonder how much it costs to buy off a judge to grant CCW. It happens in NYC (Donald Trump, Harvey Keitel, Arthur Sulzberger, Li'l Wayne, etc,) so I assume it happens here, as well. Can't they at least be transparent about it and post a price list? Each judge could name his own price, and I'm sure at least some would pay it. Who knows, it might even lead to a bidding war, as judges try to outcompete each other to attract donations. Same with politicians. I'm sure people like Cryan could make a killing by renting out their judges to make favorable rulings on CCW cases.

Well, maybe he should start giving a little more of a sh**. In 2011, he beat his republican challenger 25k to 20k votes. That's not a landslide by NJ standards. And it's a significantly lower margin than he had in 2007. If he pisses off enough of his rural constituents, he could be ousted.

Let's not be selfish and ignore our northern (above the border) bretheren. The NY SAFE Act brought to a head the secessionist sentiment that's been brewing in upstate NY. Here's the plan: Create a new state. Let's call it Bloombergainia. It will include the 5 boroughs, Westchester, Hudson, Essex, and parts of Bergen. It will be an idealogically rather uniform state, with 90% Democrats. There will be extremes of wealth, but the liberal rich won't mind subsidizing the poor. All can benefit from the enlightened rule of Bloomberg and live in the comfor of knowing that they are completely safe from crime, due to the sensible gun laws which will be possible without the pesky resistance from the provincials in NY and NJ. Keep upstate NY and the rest of NJ as is. The benefit of this system is that Bloombergainia will be geographically small. So, those of us who are trapped in its gravitational pull, for work reasons, can move just a few miles to either NJ and NY. We can still commute if needed, but every night, we can come home to freedom!