wooly bugger

You don't have to beat them to accomplish something. If we can raise enough of a movement, even in the "safe" districts, to visibly alter the margin of victory, that will scare the hell out of all but the safest incumbents. And there are still three(!) districts in NJ which are considered competitive. One of them is Wagner/Eustace's district. Those two introduced some of the most onerous and cynical legislation. They can be beaten by a R. I was glad to see that Wagner was one of the guests at the "humane voter" vegan picnic. If we can put aside our differences and join forces with the NJOA and other Fudds, we can beat her. THAT will put people on notice.

I agree. The opposition cares nothing about God or rights. It depends on your goals. If it's to rally troops and shame the opposition, then it's effective. If you're trying to catch the ear of any moderate senators and give them ideas on where to push back, it's a waste of time. #1 feels good. #2 might actually make a difference. Friends are few and far between, but someone is listening, or they wouldn't have introduced the bill exempting the Marlin 60 from "high capacity," exempting muzzleloaders and shotguns from the .50 caliber ban, and rendering the "armor piercing" bill purely symbolic. It's easy to be cynical (I am,) but I still think we have the power to soften the blow a tiny bit, which, for those of us stuck here, is better than nothing.

I doubt anything that's said will change the committee vote, but at least this committee appeared to be listening, as opposed to the assembly. Some members of the senate do have an incentive to slip in language to minimize the pain to us if they can do it in a way that doesn't completely alienate the majority. We're never going to get them to see the light and drop the bills altogether, but I hope that some of the points being hammered home might at least affect the behind the scenes discussions as they tweak the bills. This is why I think it's better to pick apart individual components of the bills rather than give soaring speeches on the founding principles of this country. They don't give a rat's ass about the Constitution and never will.

Weinberg and her ilk don't care, but Sweeney has a very strong incentive to appease the liberals without antagonizing his rural constituents. So does Christie.

Does "withheld" mean voted down or not voted on? In any case, I'm impressed that they put due process over feel good politics.

That's right. Because LEOs are exempt from the private sale ban.

That's correct. This a mixed blessing, because now we have no way to demonstrate that we have an FID. I bet a lot of online retailers will stop selling ammo to NJ. Again, an easy fix. Just make the FID a separate card. They can have all their hi tech features. I hope NJ2AS and ANJRPC will present these easy fixes.

This is one of my big worries. Worse, no FFL is going to do the transfer for the $15 limit. This would be so easy to fix if they would just set up a portal, as suggested by Tom Coburn, to allow people to do a secure NICS

I just made friends with a very reasonable anti. He is a pastor speaking in Westfield tomorrow. We exchanged cards and are going to keep in touch. He thought 97% if background checks go through in 5 min and was shocked that it can take 3 weeks. Had no idea that FFLs aren't going to gladly do transfers for $15. A little friendly education can go a long way. Edit. He also thinks an FFL will release a gun if he doesn't hear back within 3 days. No joke.

These heart rending stories are sad, but please explain what that has to do with the .50 caliber rifles?

? Details (or better yet, pictures) please?

Ok. Antis are up. Time to pop a supplemental blood pressure pill.

I'm saddened that a bunch of intelligent-looking antis in the room are shaking their heads at the most persuasive points. Either they just aren't listening or, more likely, logic just shuts off when they hear the word, "gun."

Thanks. I just did a little recruitment for those standing outside. If you're outside and see people without visitor badges, please encourage them to come in. Also, does anyone know the procedure for yielding your time?

Mr. Colonial patriot is here in full regalia. For those outside who haven't registered to speak, please do, even if you have no intention of speaking. You can yield your time and the form lets you register your opposition. I'm the skinny guy disguised as an anti. Red checkered shirt, khakis and glasses. The only secret sign is the ostrich boots. They'll never know what hit 'em

I'm here right now. Pretty poor turnout. One of us mocking a group of antis for being old. Others decked out in full battle gear. Not making us look good.

Just noticed this one, regarding dealers: " (3) No firearm or imitation thereof shall be placed in any window or in any other part of the premises where it can be readily seen from the outside" So, now, there needs to be a special room, like the porn section in a video store, so as not to risk offending the sensitive eyes of passers by.

Sadly, I don't think that's a bug, it's a "feature."

With no visible way to demonstrate you have an "FID," I think online places that now require an FID will just stop selling to us. Also, looks like our current FIDs become invalid when our DLs expire and we then have to reapply. So there's going to be a huge spike in FID applications and many of us will be sitting around, unable to purchase guns or ammo, until the state decides to invest heavily in resources for the process. I. E., never I can see the lawsuits already. Time for another check to NJ2AS.

Can't even sell .22 or give (handgun ammo) except through a dealer

Private sales are toast. This sucks.

For Cryan or Weinberg: “You have both pushed for magazine limits as low as 5, under the logic that no one needs more that that for legitimate self-defense purposes. Yet, each of the state troopers here [assuming they are there] carries magazines with more than triple that number. Further there are multiple troopers, and they have extra magazines, neither of which would apply if a home owner were awakened by an assailant. If you succeed in reducing magazine capacity limits, will you commit to your assertion that 5 rounds is an adequate capacity for self-defense by imposing the same limit on those who protect you as you would impose on those who would protect themselves?” Note: Does anyone know what is the standard issue mag cap for LEO?

A drug addled burglar who steals your guns and uses them in a robbery is a victim. Society has failed him, and he can be rehabilitated. A right wing gun nut who stops off to pick up his kid from school on the way back from the range is a ticking time bomb. He needs to be removed from society, permanently, or at least have his kids taken away from him before he can spread his disease.

I think an important amendment to that law should be that we're required to adopt personalized technology as soon as it's mandated for our LEO.

Prevent people from buying guns? That's an outrage! Fixing it will be Holder's top mission. How else is he going to buy guns to walk to Mexico. I don't know if the SAFE Act specified NICS. Like all other parts of the act, I assume it was vague, so New Yorkers will be left unable to buy ammunition, because no one, including the "SAFE hotline" knows what constitutes a legal background check. None of this is accidental.