August 24, 201214 yr The relatives have identified the victim http://www.businessi...building-2012-8 ....and a Press from Soda Pop King....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHefxKGjww0 Everyone injured in the shooting was "just grazed," Bloomberg said, stressing the fact that those injured are expected to survive.
August 24, 201214 yr Maybe if the Cops had a nice crisp 4 pound trigger on a 1911 instead of the mushy safe-action NYPD 8 pounder, they'd hit less innocents and more bad guys? Just sayin'.......
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August 24, 201214 yr Nypd hurt more people than the gunman? Let's ban nyc cops. But look, how ofte Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk
August 24, 201214 yr And BTW what about Chicago shootings? Why nobody makes a big fuzz about it? And all this happened last night "Nineteen people were shot in Chicago across the South and West sides from Thursday evening through early Friday morning -- 13 of them wounded over a 30-minute period, authorities say." http://www.chicagotr...3,0,49779.story
August 24, 201214 yr And BTW what about Chicago shootings? Why nobody makes a big fuzz about it? And all this happened last night It's cuz they're most likely not all white? And these are in bad sections? Ikidikid.... It's because this is the friggin Empire State Building - tons of tourists and bystanders around..
August 24, 201214 yr tons of tourists and bystanders around.. Not after the cops got done shooting they weren't. More like laying around bleeding. See how Bloomturd says that the people the cops show were just "grazed". Way to try to lessen the damage the cops did. If a CCW person (not that NY or NJ has many) "grazed" someone he would be up in arms about it.
August 24, 201214 yr If this turns into a LEO bashing it will be locked.... They stopped a threat..... Walk a mile in another man's shoes..... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk excuse the spelling
August 24, 201214 yr I'm not jumping all over the cops, I'm directing my dissatisfaction towards the people running the city. The point is not if a ccw would have made a difference, the point is that your right to self defense should not be denied by elitist politicians. "always after the fact" seemed as if it was a shot at cops, cause I'm not sure how that has anything to do with the people running the police unless you have a problem with how they assign patrols? Not the first time you've had to say, "oh, wasn't a shot at the cops just at the pols"? I'm no apologist for the popo but it would be nice to have some facts. I'm in favor of CCW but doesn't mean it's a solution to every incident involving a gun. Sometimes the reaction this board has to shootings is just as entertaining as the crap spewed by the antis.
August 24, 201214 yr If this turns into a LEO bashing it will be locked.... They stopped a threat..... Walk a mile in another man's shoes..... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk excuse the spelling Fact: Cops shot bystanders. That's not cop bashing.
August 24, 201214 yr And BTW what about Chicago shootings? Why nobody makes a big fuzz about it? And all this happened last night "Nineteen people were shot in Chicago across the South and West sides from Thursday evening through early Friday morning -- 13 of them wounded over a 30-minute period, authorities say." http://www.chicagotr...3,0,49779.story And this is in a state which has the tightest gun laws, just proves that the laws dont prevent shootings, its the people who choose to do these things and will always have a way to access guns
August 24, 201214 yr Not after the cops got done shooting they weren't. More like laying around bleeding. i call this bashing.... So lets just stop there Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk excuse the spelling
August 24, 201214 yr And this is in a state which has the tightest guns, just proves that the laws dont prevent shootings, its the people who choose to do these things and will always have a way to access guns And without access to guns there would be knives, bombs, etc. You can't stop crazy.
August 24, 201214 yr i call this bashing.... So lets just stop there Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk excuse the spelling I actually laughed when I read that. I recall seeing someone posting the hit rate of the NYPD and it was really low, 17% or something? Personally I don't criticize their accuracy because shooting at a target or even under the pressure of a match is nothing like shooting when someone is returning fire and adrenaline is off the charts. I've never done the latter so who am I to judge. And just for frame of reference, I pass that corner 2x a day. Even at 7am there are people all over the place. This happened at 9am? There must have been swarms of people in the area. So it's probably luck that more people weren't seriously injured.
August 24, 201214 yr And just for frame of reference, I pass that corner 2x a day. Even at 7am there are people all over the place. This happened at 9am? There must have been swarms of people in the area. So it's probably luck that more people weren't seriously injured. Yes - lots of people there - right during rush hour (or just after). Especially on a Friday.
August 24, 201214 yr Just love how mayor $hitbag kept dropping into his press conference how there is a major gun problem in this country. I think he's the problem maker personally- such d-bag. Okay. Done venting. At least the officers took the guy out. Saved us all tax dollars in regards to that. But I'm sure someone will sue the NYPD for being shot accidentally :-(
August 24, 201214 yr "always after the fact" seemed as if it was a shot at cops, cause I'm not sure how that has anything to do with the people running the police unless you have a problem with how they assign patrols? Not the first time you've had to say, "oh, wasn't a shot at the cops just at the pols"? I'm no apologist for the popo but it would be nice to have some facts. I'm in favor of CCW but doesn't mean it's a solution to every incident involving a gun. Sometimes the reaction this board has to shootings is just as entertaining as the crap spewed by the antis. I never had to say that before. And after the fact means the city will send 1500 cops to a crime scene were there is no longer any threat. As to just put on a show for the sheeple, media, and king mike. Just like when some girl gets raped but they caught the guy 2 days later, like that makes it ok. If you believe the police will be there when you need them most, I would say the media has gotten in your head too.
August 24, 201214 yr Maybe the Mayor should be looking at more required range time for NYPD and getting rid of those ridiculous 12lb NY2 triggers.
August 24, 201214 yr Ercolino at one point had an order of protection against Johnson, the New York Times tweeted, citing Ercolino's co-worker. Read more: http://www.businessi...8#ixzz24UgRwIIs That piece of paper did Mr Ecolino a whole bunch of good I see. Secondly, I'm going to take a wild guess and say Mr Perpetrator used a 1911, and some reports indicate he fired at Mr Ercolino 4x leaving 4 left in his mag (assuming he didn't switch to a full mag). If 9 people were shot and Mr Perpetrator only had 4 left in his mag, then, assuming a 100% hit rate by the perp (unlikely) 5 innocent bystanders were victims of friendly fire. Those are unacceptable statistics. I think Mayor AzzHat should, instead of worrying about banning trans fats or large sodas require his officers to have more force on force training in order that they can better respond to these type of situations.
August 24, 201214 yr Maybe the Mayor should be looking at more required range time for NYPD and getting rid of those ridiculous 12lb NY2 triggers. I thought that they were only 8 pounds, so MY BAD!! 12 pounds is even more ridiculous! One of my Eagle Scouts is an Amtrack Cop. His new Gen 4 Glock has a 5 pound trigger, and this Kid can HIT with that thing! I was shooting with him just two weekends ago, and we all took turns with his duty gun. BIG difference from the NYPD trigger!
August 24, 201214 yr If this turns into a LEO bashing it will be locked.... They stopped a threat..... Walk a mile in another man's shoes..... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk excuse the spelling That's the most important part. None of the police were hurt. A few innocents got hit in crossfire but they will all live, and the scumbag that did this can no longer be a threat to society. I do feel however for the family of the victim. Senseless killing.
August 24, 201214 yr I never had to say that before. And after the fact means the city will send 1500 cops to a crime scene were there is no longer any threat. As to just put on a show for the sheeple, media, and king mike. Just like when some girl gets raped but they caught the guy 2 days later, like that makes it ok. If you believe the police will be there when you need them most, I would say the media has gotten in your head too. My mistake then but I could have sworn I read a similar comment in your posts. Like I said, I support CCW. I realize the police can't be everywhere.
August 24, 201214 yr I thought that they were only 8 pounds, so MY BAD!! 12 pounds is even more ridiculous! One of my Eagle Scouts is an Amtrack Cop. His new Gen 4 Glock has a 5 pound trigger, and this Kid can HIT with that thing! I was shooting with him just two weekends ago, and we all took turns with his duty gun. BIG difference from the NYPD trigger! The old NY 1 trigger was 8lbs, the new NY 2 trigger is 12.
August 24, 201214 yr That piece of paper did Mr Ecolino a whole bunch of good I see. Secondly, I'm going to take a wild guess and say Mr Perpetrator used a 1911, and some reports indicate he fired at Mr Ercolino 4x leaving 4 left in his mag (assuming he didn't switch to a full mag). If 9 people were shot and Mr Perpetrator only had 4 left in his mag, then, assuming a 100% hit rate by the perp (unlikely) 5 innocent bystanders were victims of friendly fire. Those are unacceptable statistics. I think Mayor AzzHat should, instead of worrying about banning trans fats or large sodas require his officers to have more force on force training in order that they can better respond to these type of situations. Any reports that it was a 1911? Could have been a Sig P220 or several others. Not that it really matters. We just need to get rid of these high capacity 8 round clips.
August 24, 201214 yr I'm gonna come right out and say that CCW/civilian "assistance" wouldn't have done anything at all in this situation except make it worse.
August 24, 201214 yr The old NY 1 trigger was 8lbs, the new NY 2 trigger is 12. Talk about going from BAD to>>>>>>>>>>> WORSE! OMG!!
August 24, 201214 yr I'm gonna come right out and say that CCW/civilian "assistance" wouldn't have done anything at all in this situation except make it worse. Unless somebody plugged him while he (the Perp) was still in the damn building! Then a whole lot less blood & guts!
August 24, 201214 yr Unless somebody plugged him while he (the Perp) was still in the damn building! Then a whole lot less blood & guts! Unless there was someone else there in the room, it wouldn't have helped. The eyewitness was the construction worker, who couldn't do a legit shoot from outside looking in like that.. Can't shoot 'em while they're walking away really....
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