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  2. Posted

    49 minutes ago, 124gr9mm said:

    You don't get to choose the distance, the bad guy does.

    If you're using 25 yards as your boundary for what's practical (or not) to shoot accurately then I'd suggest spending more time at the range.

    Targets for Bullseye matches are at 25 yards (and 50 when space permits I believe), and action shooting matches (thought typically 5 - 15 yards) frequently have them setup at 25 yards.

    If you can't consistently/comfortably hit a target at 25 yards with a small gun then keep moving to a bigger one until you can. 

    For what it's worth, I think qualifications for a Constitutional Right should not happen, but I also think a responsible gun owner should be well practiced with any gun that's owned.

     

    This is no competition or calm day at the range. Chances are you're gonna be ambushed at 3 yards. That's just how these situations go. Police officers may be engaging someone at a distance like 25 yards and with their training, oh boy do they miss.

    I'd suggest taking a step away from confidence and realizing that reality isn't gonna be a still paper target with hearing protection and a prepared mind. I hope no one ever gets into a self defense situation but don't be so hard on yourself when you may miss. Maybe take some self defense classes and practice how to deal with a situation. Sometimes that is more important than accuracy. 

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  3. Posted

    30 minutes ago, Mr.Stu said:

     

    Regardless of what the government wants, why would you want to carry a gun that you can't shoot accurately?

    The purpose is to be able to hit the aggressor in order to make them discontinue their attack - either through making it too painful for them to continue, or physically unable to continue. Missing your target is not effective at either of those things and endangers anyone else in the area. It just doesn't make sense.

    There are very few handguns that are mechanically unable to shoot an 12" wide group at 25 yards - that's works out to be over 48moa! Seriously, it is not the gun.

    Edited after measuring a Q target. The milk bottle is 12" wide, not 18".

    Rule of 3s

    I hope you won't try to defend against a attacker at 25 yards even with a full size. You won't ever perform as well as you do in the range. That's the true danger of missing the target. Like I tell my friends, your better off fleeing or fixing that distance before ever trying to engage anything at a far distance. We can't all be like that mall hero who took a shot at 40 yards. He did miss a few btw.

    Mechanically secured in a vise, of course the handgun is absolutely capable of accuracy. But a 2 inch barrel in a hand, maybe in movies but not realistically expected.

  4. Posted

    38 minutes ago, Vdep217 said:

    If you can't hit to good with your 380 than you shouldn't carry it until you can.  I have a ruger lc380 and had no issues qualifying with it.  Just because the las says you 9nly need to qualify with one dosnt mean you shouldn't be proficient with any fire arm you intend to carry.

    I barely qualified with LCP Max. 48/60 but hit a 58/60 with the Hellcat. Some guns just aren't designed to hit 25 or 15 yards accurately. Rules of 3 makes me think they'll be just dandy. A very high standard to apply to people who just want to practice their 2A. I say if they like that firearm, it works great for concealment then by all means they should be able to carry whatever without judgement.

  5. Posted

    2 hours ago, JackDaWack said:

    It's not a disclaimer.. 

    The permit has literal instructions to follow if they are present for it to be valid. 

    A cop can make any claim about anything. 

    If no guns are listed, can't they just claim you don't have any guns you can carry if this is the standing argument?

    What I'm saying is some people said your good to go and carry anything you want. This is advice for those without a court order, essentially no restrictions box is ticked. Whether it lists the guns or not shouldn't matter as there is no restriction and no court order. Hence why people say its just a list of what you qualified with and nothing else. 

    If you have a court order, unfortunately you must follow it entirely. Hence why the restrictions box may be checked for those individuals. 

    But the disclaimer I'm talking about is a warning that even though it is no restrictions, you may have some trouble when it comes to an interaction as the police don't seem to be all on the same page. I can't flat out tell people carry anything you want/own without that disclaimer/warning.

  6. Posted

    58 minutes ago, Dooly said:

    I'm only trying to get clarification on what's been printed on the back of the permit.  That is...  No restrictions BUT there is a list of the firearms that were used to qualify.  So if there are "None" restrictions, what's the list for?

    I don't think you'll find a good answer for this. The list is to show what handguns you qualified with. Whether they are gonna expect or claim that's what your limited to carrying is up to whoever is scrutinizing it. Every county, court and PD has been doing this differently for everyone. There is no correct answer because telling you to ignore it and it's just a list without a disclaimer is bad advice. No restrictions, no court order, law says anything you own. That's what I'm gonna follow. But I know there could be that one guy out there who is convinced I'm limited to what's listed and I'll have some headaches. Let's be honest here, we've heard of instances where cops don't know the law and it gets cleared up in court but do you wanna deal with that? That's kinda your decision and your risk to take.

  7. Posted

    3 hours ago, joeg said:

    Probably a stupid question, but here goes.  When I got the permit, the PD laminated it for me.  The card is larger than would fit in my wallet, so I trimmed the excess laminate off, but got too close on the side so now I can pull it apart.  Do you think it would be ok to bring to staples or some place and have them re-laminate it over the original lamination, then I'll just get a separate holder just for the PTC card?

    I wouldn't recommend relaminating. It's thin but having 4 layers isn't that thin anymore. It expires in 2 years so using some tape to patch up the edges will be just fine. Just care not to seperate as the laminate may peel and rip the permit. Also may lift up ink as well. I did the same mistake to trim down my FID and trying to remove the lamination is making it worse so I just taped the edges with regular scotch tape. Still holding strong today

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  8. Posted

    2 minutes ago, Dooly said:

    Not sure if this is the right post to ask this but does anyone have a permit with 'None' ticked for restrictions but...below that lists the firearms you qualified with?  So which is it...no restrictions or are you restricted to the firearms listed?

    Mine has that. No Restrictions, no court order. But I have the qualified firearms with serial listed. You are advised to play it safe and only use those. But the law says anything you own and there is no court order so I believe you can carry anything you own.

  9. Posted

    1 hour ago, Serious said:

    Submitted prints 11/10/22.   Followed up with local pd 2/14 of statis.   Got a call today from local pd saying that my prints were never received and it's past 90 days I will have to get them done again.  I provided the receipt to local pd.  Still not sufficient.  Is this a common issue?  Next print appointment is mid March.  They will not process my application until I get prints done again.  

    Initially my PD claimed they didn't have my prints and I called back days later and they confirmed they got them. Issues with PTC in NJ? Very common. Just heard yesterday a friend got his denied cause of an error on form. They waited over 4 months to find out. They were told they gotta resubmit and pay new 200$ fee.

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  10. Posted

    8 minutes ago, Old Glock guy said:

    No mystery.  Thanks to rampant Third World immigration, legal and illegal, there are now 1 million more Democrats than Republicans in NJ, making it unlikely that Republicans will ever again win a state-wide election, or control either house of the legislature.

    But back on topic, I've been down here in Florida, carrying every day whenever I leave the house.  Unlike NJ, this state (and 30+ others) trusts me to be responsible with a firearm to protect myself and my family.  Contrary to what our hysterical legislators in NJ believe, not only do people not run around shooting each other here, one rarely (actually never) sees a gun.

    I submitted my NJ CCW application about six weeks ago in Wayne.  Got a call from the detective a couple of days ago saying that I had not submitted a receipt from Identogo, and that I would need to obtain one.  Anyone ever try to contact Identogo?  I can assure you it is nearly impossible.  No phone, no email address, just an endless series of phone loops with FAQ's and directions on how to make an appointment.  Luckily, the detective called me back to say they had obtained my prints.  He said they were doing my mental health check, and should be completed in 1 1/2-2 weeks.  I don't know if that means that's when I'll get my permit, or that the chief will then begin the 1-2 month review process.  I suspect it's the latter.

    Unfortunately knowing NJ it's gonna probably be the latter. If this is recent then I think the PD isn't sending anything out anymore but handling it in house. I assume it should be faster this way because involving the court's and the logistics of the application slowed it for all of us. Takes them a month sometimes just to send a completed app. Takes weeks from being approved to arriving to PD to pickup and then sometimes more weeks for PD to let you know it's ready. I don't think the PDs fully understand and know the new process so may have delays cause of that.

  12. Posted

    On 1/18/2023 at 11:25 PM, Malaka said:

    I like these timeline posts cause its useful to get an idea of when to expect to receive the PTC. Here is my timeline, I'll make sure to edit once I actually get it.

    Bergen County

    11/08 - Submitted Application
    11/08 - Identgo Appointment Made
    11/11 - Fingerprints done
    11/15 - References received letter
    11/16 - Reference #1 Submitted
    11/22 - Reference #2 Submitted
    11/24 - Reference #3 Submitted
    11/28 - PD Confirmed received references
    12/5 - PD Confirmed Fingerprints Complete
    1/12 - Money order cashed

    I thought it takes ~1 week according to other's timeline from money order cashed to receiving PTC, so far no call yet. I'm debating on contacting PD but the person in charge of firearms gets a bit annoyed and I don't want any retaliatory delays. Probably gonna tell me to contact the courts.

     

    This process was a nightmare. I applied along with two other friends. Gonna name them #1, #2, and #3(me). Applications were submitted about a month apart each.

    References:

    #1, references were never sent out, found out a month later when applicant #2 references arrived that these papers should have been sent out.

    #2, reference papers lost at PD, 2/3 references had to receive paperwork again, fill out, and resubmit.

    #3, no issue with references. Made sure to call and confirm they received them.

    Qualification(all done at Reloaderz):

    #1 qualified with 1 striker fired.

    #2 qualified with 2 handguns, both hammer fired. Passed with the compact so was approved with the full-size.

    #3, decided I wanted to use all 4 spots on qualification. Qualified with Hellcat & was approved for other 3(pocket & two full-size). Was explained at the range as long as you qualify with one action type(striker, hammer, or revolver) then you are approved for all that have that same type action. I was ready to qualify with Hellcat(assuming auto approved on full-size) and LCP Max(internal hammer so not a striker-fired??) Spent close to 1000rnds practicing with LCP Max because hitting accurately at 25 yards is...not easy task. Passed with Hellcat, they considered the LCP a striker fired and approved me for all 4 handguns. Had an issue submitting application, qualification form refused probably cause I put 4 handguns on there. Didn't accept the reasoning that qualifying with one same action(striker) meant I was fine with other 3. I really just wanted the Hellcat and LCP Max due to their size, didn't care much for other 2 full-size(probably would have never carried). Somehow barely passed with LCP Max(48/60). Resubmitted with 2 separate qualification forms for Hellcat & LCP Max - accepted by PD(phew).

    PD questioned me if I did my fingerprints, concerned me that they never got it or gave me wrong case#. Confirmed later they got the fingerprints. I preferred email communication to keep records just incase. A bit of a frustrating process because it seems like they didn't bother reading the emails fully and responses were unrelated to my simple questions. Redirected me to contact court instead. Finally got PD to confirm they have everything necessary, began checking money order often. Been a month since I submitted application and money order wasn't cashed. Called court, was sent to a voicemail system. Never got a callback or response, but next day money order was cashed.

    So far #1 & #2 have not received PTC even though they submitted earlier than me. #1 lost money order receipt. #2 money order was cashed mid-Dec. I'm giving it till Feb to contact PD and ask if they received my PTC.

     

    Update on this. My friend #1 got impatient and decided to make some calls. Called the mayors office and was told someone would contact the chief to find out. Turns out he gets a call from the PD and they tell him come Monday to pickup the permit. He asked about #2 and me and #2 is also getting theirs on Monday. Mine unfortunately not back from court yet.

    So that's good news. Bergen is working at it slowly. One submitted October and the other either late Sept or early Oct. About 3-4 months from submission to getting them.

  13. Posted

    15 minutes ago, Frank Thomas said:

    Please realize in the Army, I was expert or right below that.  My weapon was a 9mm Beretta or M16-A1.  But these little .38's... really hard to hit more than few feet away.  So I think I can qualify w/ my .38 revolver.  Just wondering if anyone knows of an easier qualifying course than gunforhire and the others.  Thanks

    To answer your question, gunsforhire is the easier course. To my knowledge it is gonna be your best option. 

    No problem with the .38 revolver. I can relate as I passed with qual with a tiny .380 pocket pistol. It was hard, I thought I may not pass. I barely passed with a 48/60 but it is possible and very rewarding. If I took it at gunsforhire, I bet I would have had a better score. 

  14. Posted

    I like these timeline posts cause its useful to get an idea of when to expect to receive the PTC. Here is my timeline, I'll make sure to edit once I actually get it.

    Bergen County

    11/08 - Submitted Application
    11/08 - Identgo Appointment Made
    11/11 - Fingerprints done
    11/15 - References received letter
    11/16 - Reference #1 Submitted
    11/22 - Reference #2 Submitted
    11/24 - Reference #3 Submitted
    11/28 - PD Confirmed received references
    12/5 - PD Confirmed Fingerprints Complete
    1/12 - Money order cashed

    I thought it takes ~1 week according to other's timeline from money order cashed to receiving PTC, so far no call yet. I'm debating on contacting PD but the person in charge of firearms gets a bit annoyed and I don't want any retaliatory delays. Probably gonna tell me to contact the courts.

     

    This process was a nightmare. I applied along with two other friends. Gonna name them #1, #2, and #3(me). Applications were submitted about a month apart each.

    References:

    #1, references were never sent out, found out a month later when applicant #2 references arrived that these papers should have been sent out.

    #2, reference papers lost at PD, 2/3 references had to receive paperwork again, fill out, and resubmit.

    #3, no issue with references. Made sure to call and confirm they received them.

    Qualification(all done at Reloaderz):

    #1 qualified with 1 striker fired.

    #2 qualified with 2 handguns, both hammer fired. Passed with the compact so was approved with the full-size.

    #3, decided I wanted to use all 4 spots on qualification. Qualified with Hellcat & was approved for other 3(pocket & two full-size). Was explained at the range as long as you qualify with one action type(striker, hammer, or revolver) then you are approved for all that have that same type action. I was ready to qualify with Hellcat(assuming auto approved on full-size) and LCP Max(internal hammer so not a striker-fired??) Spent close to 1000rnds practicing with LCP Max because hitting accurately at 25 yards is...not easy task. Passed with Hellcat, they considered the LCP a striker fired and approved me for all 4 handguns. Had an issue submitting application, qualification form refused probably cause I put 4 handguns on there. Didn't accept the reasoning that qualifying with one same action(striker) meant I was fine with other 3. I really just wanted the Hellcat and LCP Max due to their size, didn't care much for other 2 full-size(probably would have never carried). Somehow barely passed with LCP Max(48/60). Resubmitted with 2 separate qualification forms for Hellcat & LCP Max - accepted by PD(phew).

    PD questioned me if I did my fingerprints, concerned me that they never got it or gave me wrong case#. Confirmed later they got the fingerprints. I preferred email communication to keep records just incase. A bit of a frustrating process because it seems like they didn't bother reading the emails fully and responses were unrelated to my simple questions. Redirected me to contact court instead. Finally got PD to confirm they have everything necessary, began checking money order often. Been a month since I submitted application and money order wasn't cashed. Called court, was sent to a voicemail system. Never got a callback or response, but next day money order was cashed.

    So far #1 & #2 have not received PTC even though they submitted earlier than me. #1 lost money order receipt. #2 money order was cashed mid-Dec. I'm giving it till Feb to contact PD and ask if they received my PTC.

     

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  15. Posted

    1 hour ago, raz-0 said:

    I mean personally, I'd say if you can dump a mag and grab it without issue, they have a point. The threaded portion does encircle the barrel. 

    You cannot hold a comp while operating the firearm without getting burned. Jetting gas does that. Also no pistol comp will have enough mass to not heat up to burning temps almost as fast as the barrel. You'd also have a hard time finding a comp you can even get a reasonable portion of your hand on. 

    But if you did put on a comp and then put a blast shield over it, you might be in the same boat. especially with .22lr.

     

    It does fit the definition and if I still had it, I bet I probably would have been able to grip it and dump a mag without issue. I guess this means if you put a long enough fake suppressor on a handgun, it can be considered a shroud. This would mean linear compensators would also be risky to put on a handgun. The holes exist in front so you would never get burned and they sell ones long enough to grip. From experience shooting this thing, probably put a few hundred rounds through it, it never really got hot, just warm. 

    Thanks for the response, this kinda clarifies for me that yea technically the faux suppressor can be considered a shroud. Unfortunate cause I was able to receive this in NJ, maybe it was a mistake on the dealer for allowing me to possess it in the first place.

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    I got a GSG-1911 ADOPS and I sent it in for repair through my dealer. The company told them I will receive a replacement and then they said they couldn't ship it to NJ. My dealer sent them the NJ assault weapon law and explained that it is okay to have the threaded barrel. A month goes by and I decide to call the company myself. They explain to me that the faux suppressor that the specific model I got is a barrel shroud.

    This is the firearm for reference

    2-atigerg1911adop.jpg

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    A semi-automatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following: 
    (1) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
    (2) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
    (3) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned;
    (4) Manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and/or
    (5) A semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm

    According to this, technically it is "attached to" the barrel. And technically it can permit me to hold it without getting burned. The barrel is fixed so I assume the firearm would function normally as well. This would mean putting a compensator which would have the holes farther up or linear would also be considered a barrel shroud since technically you can hold it without getting burned. At least to my knowledge, you can put a compensator on a threaded handgun in NJ.

     

    So is the company correct classifying the faux suppressor as a barrel shroud?

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