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    First - No killing is ever a good killing. It may be justified, it may be reasonable, it may even be ethically, legally, and morally correct, but it is never, ever good. Second - There is no such thing as "excessive force" it is either justified or it isn't - "excessive force" is a made up buzz word like "Assault Rifle" that the Left and the media like to throw around. You can hit someone with your car, set them on fire, beat them with a frying pan - if deadly force is justified, none of those methods are "excessive". Third - there are many facets to self defense. One of them is the use of deadly force. It isn't always justified but when it is, it's on. Deadly force is just that - force that can cause death. Deadly force is used to stop another's aggressive actions that may result in the death or serious bodily injury of yourself or another, and is justified providing that you didn't create the situation where force is now required (i.e.: you can't walk around Newark at 0 dark thirty with $100 bills falling out of your pockets and then use deadly force on an attacker. That would not be justified.) You are permitted to use such force as necessary until the actor ceases his aggressive and dangerous actions. No where does it say you only get one shot, one stab, one hit. Force is used until the actor stops. There is also no provision that states you have to warn an attacker of your pending action prior to using force or to announce your intent to possess or use a weapon to defend yourself or another. I am sure there is a lot more to this story. I am withholding judgement until more facts are in. That being said, I like it when the good guys win. I hope this turns out to be one of those times.
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    There are million justifiable reasons why the dash cam didn't record anything. There are million unjustifiable reasons why the dash cam didn't record anything. There isn't nearly enough info out there about this case to make any kind of reasoned supposition. This whole relying on immediate video footage is becoming a huge problem. Especially when being judged by folks that: A) have no idea how the cameras work, what activates them, etc... and B) Have no idea what policy states regarding cameras - hint, a lot of them say something to the effect of "when feasible activate before. If not, save you life then turn it on." C) Have no experience regarding constitutional use of force and how it pertains to police work other that what they picked up on the last episode of Blue Bloods Before the facts of the case are even investigated, this guy is being crucified simply because his camera didn't capture anything. That is wrong. This may very well be a very tragic yet ultimately justified shooting (I would never call this a "good shoot", but it may be "in policy" or justified under use of force). Or This may very well be a complete and total shitshow and his guy should be brought to trial. Or This could be something in the middle. The only ones who have an inkling of this are the investigators and witnesses. Until more info comes out it is useless, and just plain wrong, to guess what happened that day.
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    I am happy everyone had a good time and am very sorry I missed it. I was really looking forward to meeting everyone. Stories of my estrogen replacement therapy were greatly exaggerated. I ended up getting promoted to LT at work. The promotion ceremony and swearing in was on Tuesday night. Unbeknownst to me, my little brother (who just retired from the Army and is a new Police Officer in Waynesville MO) flew in on Monday night to surprise me and to attend the swearing in. I am honored he thought to do this. He's a good brother, and I am very lucky. Unfortunatley his flight home was last night and I had to get him up to the airport.
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    I agree with this. And in an of itself is a completely true statement. However, while using violence to defend yourself may be legally, morally, and ethically righteous, it still carries a cost on the psyche/soul/conscious/karma or whatever you want to call it. Even if you are physically unharmed, you will be fundamentally changed after the event. Many people win their deadly force encounter but can't live with the aftermath. They self destruct. The good guy might win, but the bad guy will continue to affect them long after the physical confrontation is over. With proper training and mindset prior to the event, a lot of the associated angst can be overcome and dealt with. But it is still present. Deadly force in the defense of oneself or loved ones is not something to ever be taken lightly or for granted and is never something to be looked forward to. Killing an adversary or a threat may be necessary, it may be righteous, the world may be a better place afterwards, but it is never wholly a good thing.
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    Good for them. Czech legislature passed a law giving its citizens the constitutional rights to bear arms. The stated reasoning is to defend the country against terrorism. The EU claims ther stricter laws overrule what the country wants to do. Fuck the EU. http://dailycallerDOTcom/2017/06/29/czech-republic-votes-to-put-gun-rights-in-constitution-in-response-to-terrorism/
  6. 7 likes
    Through many years of service to the .mil, and having the requirements for the use of deadly force beaten into my head when I qualified to carry a weapon. Surprisingly, I can still recite the deadly force mantra from memory, after all these years.... Deadly force is the force a person uses, which he/she knows, or should know, presents the risk of causing death or serious bodily harm. Its use is only justified under conditions of extreme circumstance, when all lesser means have failed or cannot reasonably be employed. The Navy had specific conditions where it could be employed, including to prevent death or serious bodily harm to yourself or others, and to protect vital govt property, among other things...after all lesser means failed or could not reasonably be employed, of course. I think the same goes for an individual...to protect your life and the lives of others, when ALL lesser means fail or cannot reasonably be employed. I don't belive protecting property falls under this. No one needs to die for stealing a fucking TV or a Blue Ray player. While I don't know the whole story of this situation...If someone breaks into your home, armed, with a baseball bat, knife, a firearm, or even bare hands, then I have to conclude they are there to hurt me or my family. No time to stop and ask them their intentions, I have a duty to protect myself and my family, so I will stop the threat using the appropriate level of force. Period. Should that mean that the perp gets shot and killed, so be it. Honestly, I look at it like putting down a coyote that is hunting my livestock. Not a particularly pleasant thing to do, but something that must be done. I won't bring the fight to anyone, but if someone brings it to my door, I will use the appropriate force required to protect myself and my family. I think the WORST part would be the investigation afterwards. That I can see losing sleep over. Must be a horrible experience having your actions evicerated, when all you were trying to do was protect your family. Unfortunately NJ law gives the criminal more rights than the victims. HE mentioned the 'euphoria' one experiences after an encounter. I guess it's different for everyone...here is my little sea story, where i had a close call with using deadly force. My submarine was tied to the pier at Chin He, South Korea at the ROK Marine base, this was mid 1990's. I was the topside watch, armed with a .45. There was a pier sentry armed with a shotgun, and a watch in the sail of the boat armed with an M-16. My pier sentry started shouting 'swimmer in the water' and pointing his weapon at a man swimming near the aft end of the boat. I alerted the crew of the swimmer over the 1MC, drew my weapon, and ran towards the stern shouting at this guy to get out of the water. He climbed up on the boat near the stern planes and onto the hull. He had a big knife and some gear on his waistband, and his hands up. He had no idea what I was saying, but my yelling at him and a .45 pointed at his head got the message across loud and clear. My weapon was hammer back with the safety off, and pointed at this guys head from like 10 feet. The duty officer and the onboard crew rushed up behind me, then put him face down and restrained him until the ROK Marines showed up and took him away. I understand they used some pretty aggressive methods to find out why he was there. Turns out he was an oyster diver who decided it would be a good idea to fish near the Marine base. Turned out NOT to be such a good idea for him. After the incident, all 3 of us were relieved of the watch, and we were all interviewed/counseled about the incident by the Weapons Officer (he was the duty officer that day), and the XO. The pier sentry was pretty worked up, and nearly dropped his weapon in the water as he pointed it at the swimmer. He was pretty shaken up having to point his weapon at someone. I remember being forceful, but totally in control and aware of myself and what was going on around me. I was hoarse after yelling. A little surreal. I was not 'eager' to hurt this guy, but I would have used deadly force on this guy had the situation required it. I remember reciting the mantra in my head while my weapon was drawn. Weird. We had divers down all the rest of the day checking every inch of the hull for a device he may have planted. Explosive, tracking, whatever. It was an 'interesting' day to say the least.
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    Nope, not just you, I was talking to everyone. There are two really good books on this topic, referred to as "Killology" by the author. They are "On Killing" and "On Combat" both by Lt Col Dave Grossman. I highly recommend them to anyone who may have to use force or violence against another human. I agree violence must be met with violence. I certainly am NOT a "Violence never solved anything" kind of guy either. I agree that the bad guy sealed his fate by first being a bad guy, and second by choosing someone that will fight back as a victim. I know I will be happy that I won and I survived the encounter in the first few moments after winning a deadly force incident. I even agree that the world is a better place without real bad guys in it. What I won't do is wish to be a victim so I can kill someone, even a legit bad guy. And while I will certainly be glad I survived, I won't celebrate the death. The fact that my attacker has ceased to be an earthy oxygen consumer may very well be a good thing, but the fact that I was just forced to kill someone in defense of me and mine and all the associated headache and heartache that follows is certainly not good.
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    There are times, even as a staunch Second Amendment Patriot & VP of NJ's busiest 2A group, I have to admit that not EVERYBODY should have a gun. THIS is one of those times...........
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    Because there's never a wrong time for a "feel good" story! This guy's got a spot in heaven with his name on it, for sure... http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cop-adopts-8-year-old-he-rescued-from-severe-child-abuse/ar-BBDviHM?ocid=spartandhp
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    If you are going to make the decision to carry a gun, carrying any less than every day is short sighted. That's true whether you are male or female. You can't make an appointment to get in a deadly force confrontation - if you could, instead of deciding to carry you should decide to stay home. Carrying is a lifestyle choice. I have a hard time getting this point through to my people with regards to off duty carry. You can't just carry at Christmas time, or only if you are going to Newark or Trenton*. You can just as easily get into it at the Wawa around the corner tomorrow night in the nicest part of the safest town in America. You are trained, you have the equipment, now you need the mindset. Be prepared. As an Instructor, I'll take women students over men all day long. They pay attention, they listen, there is no ego, they take criticism well, they make the suggested changes, they are all around better students. As for women only classes - I think that's a mistake. They don't make women only convenience stores, or women only food stores. As a women you are going to use your gun in the real world. Get used to it. No instructor worth his salt will tolerate any harassment, belittling, etc.. from anyone towards anyone. Yes, Vet your instructor and make sure they are teaching what you want to learn. Yes, by all means take classes at your level - beginner, advanced, whatever - but don't restrict yourself to classes based on gender. All of the quality instructors I have attended classes with refuse to do women only classes. They all also prefer to coach/teach women over men for the reasons I have stated above. Women shooters, on the whole, are growing in numbers, getting more involved in the shooting sports, the 2A movement, and the training world, and that is awesome. * That's not to say you shouldn't conduct informal threat assessments before traveling. You should absolutely be aware of your surroundings and have realistic expectations for the places you are traveling to - and then possibly make adult decisions to NOT go certain places based on your assessment.
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    Why are you people supporting this? The money given out and what the event costs the jurisdiction is coming from your taxes. Is a few hundred bucks worth the anti-gun publicity that will come from this?
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    This LEO, is on a traffic stop, when someone apparently takes a shot at him. I wouldn't want to be a cop these days with all the cop bashing going on. Don't get me wrong, I understand there are bad cops out there. But I believe the majority of them are good, decent people, just trying to do a job and get home at the end of the day. Do some cops have attitudes when they make contact with you? Sure. But as I've gotten older and hopefully wiser, I've realized that with the shit they see and deal with everyday, I'd probably have an attitude to. Who knows what kind of call they just came from? All this cop hating has gotten out of fucking control. When you have people taking shots at cops like this, or at Officer Familia who was just sitting in her squad car, we've reached a boiling point. To the LEO's on this forum, keep your heads down and on a swivel. https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0bd_1500683726
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    Its very taxing right now. I hate that I have to be suspect of almost everybody. When I'm stopped at a light I try to not let cars directly next to me, leave enough space to escape if need be. A simple question could be a purposeful distraction. You can sit in one spot too long or park where people can get around your car. Its 8-16 hours completely on edge just waiting or being prepared for something to happen. I expect the worst so I'm prepared for whatever may happen when I'm working. The one who I feel sorry for most is my wife, not because she is married to me lol, but because I am not home for long periods and a lot of times she can't get in touch with me. She expects the worst too. She has already had calls from either myself or coworkers about me in the ER. A few times I didn't even tell her till I got home after she saw me dropped off in a police car cause I wasn't allowed to drive. Spouses have it bad
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    Barnegat Bay gave up the bounty today 80 on the nose , only getting better now.
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    The entire armor industry is black magic. The salesmen make used car dealers seem downright pious. It is important to know that not all armor can stop every threat. You need to do a realistic assessment of why you are most likely to come across threat wise - even in the same calibers. For example, ceramic armor will stop some things while others will whistle right through. Even in the same caliber. Rule of thumb - You armor has to stop the rounds that you and yours carry. After that its a caliber assessment of likely threats. Make friends with a cop. Find out what they are seeing in your area. Heavy (Rifle) armor has many options - ceramic, HDPE, Boron Carbide, Steel, Hybrid (HDPE and Ceramic). When buying you have 3 options, lightweight, affordable, effective. You get to pick two of the three. Avoid AR500 armor. I like the Hybrid. Stops a larger range of threats, both the fast lightweight rounds and the slow heavy stuff. The HDPE protects the ceramic and stops spall. It's lighter than pure ceramic and in the low end of the middle price wise. Soft armor is another story. I have been in charge of purchasing the concealable vests for my department for 10 years. In my opinion Point Blank currently has the best ballistics package out there in their IIIa vests since they bought Paraclete from MSA. That US Palm defender rig is nice too. Decent armor in a great "bump in the night" setup.
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    some common sense in a very liberal part of the country. hope is NEVER lost... https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/06/johannes-paulsen/breaking-federal-judge-blocks-californias-magazine-ban/ money shot: In the matter of Duncan v. Becerra, the San Diego-based judge said the law banning possession of the magazines would mean “hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of otherwise law-abiding citizens will have an untenable choice: become an outlaw or dispossess one’s self of lawfully acquired property.” He further held that the law “amounts to the government taking people’s private property without compensation.” second big point: According to Michel, however, no one was giving up their property. “We were looking at a massive display of civil disobedience. No one was turning these things in.” shades of nj, if they ever try such nonsense here...
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    Diblasio ia a communist scumbag. He has destroyed NY. He hates the cops. His tenure can't end fast enough
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    Tyrone was having trouble in school; his teacher was always yelling at him, "You're driving me crazy, Tyrone; can't you learn anything? One day Tyrone's mother came to school to see how he was doing. The teacher told her honestly that her son was simply a disaster, getting very low marks, and that she had never had such an unmotivated and ignorant boy in her entire teaching career. Tyrone's mom, shocked at the feedback, withdrew her son from school and moved out of Detroit, relocating to Cleveland. 25 years later, the teacher was diagnosed with irreversible cardiac disease. Her doctors all strongly advised her to have open heart surgery, which only one surgeon at the Cleveland Clinic could perform. Left with no other options, the teacher decided to have the operation, which was remarkably successful. When she opened her eyes after the surgery she saw the handsome young doctor who headed her surgical team smiling down at her. She wanted to thank him, but could not talk. Her face started to turn blue, she raised her hand, trying to tell him something, but quickly died. The doctor was shocked, wondering what went wrong so suddenly. When the doctor turned around to leave the room, he saw Tyrone, now a janitor at the Clinic, had unplugged the life-support equipment in order to plug in his vacuum cleaner. > If you thought that Tyrone had become a heart-surgeon, there is a high likelihood that you voted for Hillary.
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    Heavy, expensive, and you can't roll it down. A lot of good police work is accomplished with windows rolled down so you can hear things and talk to people. People cry militarization when we buy rifles, put lights in our guns, or have our armor outside our shirts. Imagine if we had bulletproof cars that created a "wall" between cops and the public we serve?
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    Good to hear you were there and know exactly what the officer experienced. You should call the investigators and tell them to wrap it up. /sarcasm Seriously. Wait until all the facts are in before casting judgement. We constantly cry foul that the media is biased, inflammatory, and fake when they print things that go against what we believe. This is the same media. Why are they suddenly so accurate? Because you want them to be right? I am NOT defending this shoot. I am also NOT passing judgment on the reasonableness of this cops actions at the time he made his force decision.
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    I am on it like a hobo on an ham sandwich. A regular M-F schedule and working day time hours for the first time in 15 years will let me facilitate a nice get together. And as always, thanks Peel! ETA: I just saw the 1A thread. Funny stuff. https://www.njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/87394-why-high-exposure-did-not-make-the-meetup-excuses-thread/#comment-1123733 I'm still not getting notifications for any posts/likes/following in the 1A section.
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    I think we are talking about different things. I don't see anyone here advocating against protecting self. But are cautioning about dealing with consequences. You are right, I haven't seen a VietCong with PTSD. Doesn't mean they aren't suffering. I have seen soldiers of other countries come back from messy wars and waste away, never to return to normal again. On the other hand, I doubt the that lady who shot couple of robbers (there was a video a year or so ago) suffered any PTSD. I also doubt she took firearm classes to prepare her mind & body with super ninja skills (training emphasis could be another topic). Big part of all this is mental justification, dealing with details and number of occurrences. LEO and other professionals are constantly trained on value of human life for very good reasons. They are given tools and power thats above average citizen. They have to deal with details of aftermath. They also need to be careful of mental justification. Its very thin line that can be easily crossed over to dark side. Society does not need bunch of those running around with no empathy. Is certain cases of PTSD higher in troops engaged in close range combat compared to, say, airforce personnel or drone operators ? Why is that ? In my personal opinion, the later doesnt have to deal with details up close. Don't have to look into eyes of a person chocking on their own blood. Don't have to walk through body(ies) drenched in cloths . Don't have to bag them. Its easy to sound tough, unless been through couple of these up close.
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    1) Glen, you were doing fine until your cruel and unwarranted Taylor Ham smear. Shameful! Why would you go there? 2) Not only should any effort not "center" on guns, but I would take that a step further... in public venues the gun topic should be avoided like the plague. That issue only whips up the opposition, and numbers-wise, they're bigger. So the backlash would kill us. Any gun-related arguments (like flyers to be posted?) should be more of a "stealth campaign" sent directly to NJ's network of ranges and FFLs, etc. That's where NJ's pro-2A organizations should be harnessed for their help. 3) Taxes --- taxes --- taxes! It's the one issue that resonates regardless of party, county, gender, etc. Even renters can be made to understand that high property taxes inflate their rent because the property owner passes the tax expense along.... The driving argument IMO should be NJ is just too expensive in general because of taxes "and this guy will raise them even higher!" 4) I don't think personally that the "rich white guy from Wall Street" angle will work --- because the Democratic party is happy to overlook the evils of old rich investors when it's... George Soros, for instance? Don't attack who Murphy is... attack what he will do: raise taxes. 5) If he indeed has talked about raising taxes... getting those quotes and putting them into simple but impactful YouTube videos, tweets, emails, etc. would be the way to go. (Using his none-too-attractive mug whenever possible). The issue is... has he really been dumb enough to make those statements on record? He's new to politics, so it's possible. 6) And, this is the larger concern... Guadagno needs to seriously distance herself from Christie more. And she needs to be more visible. What is she doing? What is she waiting for? She's in a perfect position to generate good PR from her current position --- why isn't it happening? That's what I'm wondering!
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    A MALE FAIRY TALE Once upon a time, a Prince asked a beautiful Princess, "Will you marry me?" The Princess immediately said, "No!" And the Prince lived happily ever after, and rode motorcycles and dated thin, long-legged, full-breasted women, and hunted and fished and raced cars, and went to titty bars and dated ladies half his age and drank whiskey, beer, and Captain Morgan, and never heard bitching and never paid child support or alimony, and dated cheerleaders and kept his house and guns, and ate spam and potato chips and beans, and blew enormous farts, and never got cheated on while he was at work, and all his friends and family thought he was friggin' cool as hell, and he had tons of money in the bank, and left the toilet seat up. The End. **********
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    Meh... Hey I'm all about doing the work I'm supposed to do, I'll even do more than my fair share - Message to Garcia and all that. But doing the work goes both way - it's not my job to sell me a gun. If someone is trying to get me to buy something, I shouldn't have to look around for a price. They wrote a whole description, including to add $100 for compliance work. They could have put the work in to press 4 more keys and added the price in the description with everything else they were typing. Just sayin'...
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    It's not quite that simple Zeke. You can't turn someone's comfort level with a topic that has such dire consequences, whether you happen to run afoul of either the law or safety, into a mere soundbite. He knows if the law changes he will comply - it is his decision and nothing is wrong with that. He doesn't want to spend money twice to buy new mags, so he is looking ahead. Good for him. StuckinNJ's choices are not yours or mine to make - as in the end, he is taking responsibility for them. They may not be the choices you or I would make, and again that OK. At the end of the day he is literally our brother in arms - a gun owner, a shooter, a fellow community/forum member, an American, a proponent of the 2A who gives to the cause by his very act of even owning a gun. He is a gun owner who comfortable doing what he's doing. He has made his decision on how he will proceed following a personal cost/benefit analysis. His decision should be respected - even if you disagree. Period. Full stop. Respectful and persuasive discussion or debate and conversation is one thing. To tell him to just sell his guns and find a new hobby because his choices differ from anyone else's is total bullshit.
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    That's how he plans on getting back in.
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    Show up and start taking pictures of people in line, then watch them scatter. Sent from my SM-T350 using Tapatalk
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    IMO, you should apply for the CCW and make them deny you. If something bad were to happen to you in the future, that having a firearm with you could have prevented, then you will have grounds to seek action against the government.
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    1) How do you know he has 3 complaints? Do you have access to his IA file? 2) I have had complaints filed against me and I am currently being sued. It is part of the job. Show me a cop with no complaints and no lawsuits and I will show you a slug in a uniform who is a do-nothing house mouse. In any event, it doesn't change anything. Answer this - If he didn't have any complaints and was the PD's MVP 10 years running does that make what happened more acceptable to you?
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    Yeah but there's no rule against bayonets themselves. Just a bayonet lug. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk
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    He's the first Somali Officer at that agency and a Muslim. So what? If he was going to go on a jihad-rampage, why did he stop after one? Stop trying to make this incident fit a narrative. Be patient. When it is available, make a reasonable and informed decision based on available evidence and facts, not fear. Also realize that your non-experienced opinion doesn't trump constitutional law. Your opinion, and mine, is good enough to BS about the topic at the bar over a pint or two, it's important enough to put someone in jail. You know, do like we tell the Antis and other liberals to do.
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    A lack of transparency results in distrust and a deep sense of insecurity.
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    She was on the side of the car and I don't speculate on things I wasn't a part of. Too much misinformation and rhetoric these days
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    Unless Silent Kim changes the her political view on legalizing marijuana, sadly I think she has no chance. Christie has done everything he possibly can to sink the RINO party in the PRNJ for the next 20 years. But back to Murphy.... We all need to focus on his plans to raise all of our taxes. He has said he wants to: 1) Raise the gas tax 2) Raise the sales tax 3) Protect sanctuary cities 4) Fully fund pre-k schooling 5) Raise minimum wage to $ 15 per hour All of these things will sink the PRNJ further into the abyss. With the full Senate and Assembly behind him, I cannot fathom the damage he will cause to this state. And that is before he even burdens us with the NJ Safe Act.
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    They're quite stunning, aren't they? I'm wearing mine again today! I can only hope it doesn't make me a target for a mugger. I'm sure they're in high demand.
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    I think you would change your tune when you arrived at that age. I'll be 75 in a few months. If I had a permit to carry I sure would not be ready to give it up. The older I get the more I need a weapon.
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    Your friend can try bringing the below directive issued directly from the Attorney General of NJ to the attention of the chief of police, and if no traction gained there, the mayor: http://www.nj.gov/lps/dcj/agguide/directives/2016-4_Permits-to-Carry-Firearms_Directive.pdf Page 2, middle of 2nd paragraph (my emphasis added, any typos are probably mine):
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    Nope....but I did see the Channel 6 News van. I heard it was doing a story on some local guy who thinks he sees Presidential helicopters.... or mountain lions...I'm not sure.
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    Sounds like the would be robbers brought a fist to a knife fight. Why the hell are they spending money to do an autopsy on the jerk that got killed? I'm no medical examiner, but odds are he died of the gaping hole with the blood pouring out of it. Has his mother been on yet to say what a good boy he was?
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    I collect guns that I don't already own
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    Yeah, smart Ray. Let's have a fellow shooter sell his guns because he doesn't want to break the law and he isn't as "radical" as you are. You are always talking about eating our own, but you have the biggest fork out there. Jesus Christ. Every gun owner has their limit on what they are comfortable doing. Not every gun owner has the 2A as their top political priority. Some gun owners just like to shoot. They don't care if they have 10, 15, 30 rounds in their mag. They aren't political. But they are still exercising their 2A rights. Who are you to tell them they should get rid of their guns. That's playing right into the Antis hands. He isn't taking anything away from you. Hes not turning in your mags. He's just not comfortable risking his money or freedom on keeping items made illegal by bad laws. Like it or not, until you have your revolution, the laws still apply. You don't have to agree with them, but you have to suffer the consequences if you are caught violating them. StuckinNJ has every RIGHT to follow what he thinks is the correct course of action for him, no matter how much you tell him he's wrong. That's the very definition of liberty in practice. Hes doing his part. He's a gun owner. He's a shooter. Not everyone can, or is willing, to go full on "Cold dead hands". That doesn't make their membership any less important in the 2A fight than anyone else's. We need every gun owner we can get right now. Don't isolate one because they are uncomfortable risking what they have. More importantly, don't turn a lawful gun owner into a spokesman the antis by being a dickhead. That's shortsighted and stupid.
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    This has been discussed before. Don't use birdshot for HD. Yes, it might work but has shallow penetration. Shooting melons proves it is good on melons not SD. Use buckshot for HD.
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    So you're gonna tell me that you don't have no black cats, no Roman Candles, or screaming mimis? No. Oh come on, man. You got no lady fingers, fuzz buttles, snicker bombs, church burners, finger blasters, gut busters, zippity do das, or crap flappers? No, I don't. You're gonna stand there, ownin' a fireworks stand, and tell me you don't have no whistlin' bungholes, no spleen splitters, whisker biscuits, honkey lighters, hoosker doos, hoosker don'ts, cherry bombs, nipsy daisers, with or without the scooter stick, or one single whistlin' kitty chaser? No... because snakes and sparklers are the only ones I like. Well that might be your problem, it's not what you like, it's the consumer.
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    We shouldn't capitulate to some random figure for our mags in exchange for our 2nd amendment. They aren't paying for mags, you know, they're paying for your subservience. That's a real slippery slope.
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    Good attitude and smart play. Were still gonna bug you about it though.
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    Time and time again I see people posting, shoot what you're comfortable with. Regardless of reliability, what the forum thinks, what the reviews are, etc. Now...@ghanson is posting that his wife is comfortable shooting a certain pistol and it's not good enough? As long as it shoots, and she's comfortable shooting it. You're good to go. Congrats on her new gun!