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  1. Posted

    1 hour ago, Ferris said:

    Criminals keep people in fear and voting for lunacy in a vein attempt to feel safe..

     

    Yes the guy who pulled a gun you to rob in your home will get gun charges up dropped and end up pleading to a trespass charge. But YOU will get charged with at least a 4th degree felony,   stuck in prison till trail and get sentence to a crazy minimum mandatory sentence, when they come to your home for defending yourself against him and notice  your mag could hold 11, if the push really hard down and use tape to hold the round in, or the muzzle brake or stock isn't pinned  ENOUGH on your AR you shot him with.

    I don't want to derail this thread but my point is the state wants you disarmed and ,if you have the gall to have the desire to defend yourself ,  they will find (new and creative) ways to ruin your life and make sure you end up disarmed( by becoming a prohibited person).

    So I'd honor whatever dumb crap they come up with on the court order until you can sue to have it removed.

     

    1 hour ago, RadioGunner said:

    Yes and outside of the restrictions you have no permit. Remember that some security guards with time and place restrictions were arrested for carrying outside the restrictions. 

     

    1 minute ago, exfed2002 said:

    And in fact, someone who was carrying outside restrictions is what started a lot of this crap back in about 1971/72.

    I'll ask again, when you load/unload in a parking lot and some mom's demand action chick calls 911 what then? If we're going along with this, then understand that it is a catch-22. Break one law in lieu of breaking another. They're going to get us, every single one, and that's what this restriction is designed to do. You can't prove otherwise. 

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  3. Posted

    2 minutes ago, Bushmaster1313 said:

    Bruen said state cannot require justifiable need to get a carry permit. 
     

    Bruen also said that if the Second Amendment is implicated by a law the court must see if the law passes muster under the text of the Second Amendment and the history of gun regulation during the time the Second Amendment and the Fourteenth Amendments were ratified. A Judge could analyze the text and the history and determine that carry permits restrict to no carry in a car was Constitutional. The judge might LHW found wrong on appeal but not in contempt of the Supreme Court. 

    They weren't allowed to be armed inside carriages or on horseback?

  4. Posted

    1 hour ago, Mr.Stu said:

    Leaving anything unlocked is a dumb thing to do. Leaving a handgun unlocked is arguably more than just dumb.

    Taking your handgun to your child's school is a felony, no matter what the mode of transport. Just don't do it.

    You're misunderstanding. I'm saying is there a good mountable case for a motorcycle/atv? There are parking options on the main road so I wouldn't be taking a gun on school property. That's the whole reason I asked. 

  5. Posted

    1 minute ago, galapoola said:

    Logically I agree. If you are carrying in your car with the restrictions it would be similar to carrying anywhere without a permit so it's a felony. You loose everything.

    So instead load/unload in a parking lot and wait for someone to call 911 and possibly be arrested or shot. Basically if we're going to go along with any of this, you better only carry when you intend on walking to your destination. 

  7. Posted

    9 hours ago, Regular Guy said:

    Dropped my package off today at the NJSP in Woodstown (Salem County).  There were 3 of us dropping off at the same time.  The officer receiving them was easy to deal with.  One guy forgot a copy of his birth certificate.  The officer took everything else and told him to just email a copy of it so she could put it with his package.  Sounds like they have 3 to 4 people working the packages and as of today there are 65 ( 62 plus our 3) pending through their station. 

    She said it will take a while (no specific time frame given) for the package to go through the process and one of the bottle necks is that they receive finger print/background info via snail mail.  

    My cost break down below does not include gas to travel or ammo for firearms qual.

    Firearms Qualification   $125

    Money order and fee      $51

    Fingerprints                     $101.45  (includes out of state fee for going to Morton, PA and $5 toll.)

    photos                               $7  (selfie in front of white background, uploaded to www.visafoto.com, resized to 1.5x1.5 by selecting NY firearms photo size, then printed and cut out at home.  With the right software, this could be free.)

    Total $284.45.  Could be down around $235 if I stayed in state and waited a month for finger prints and found a way to do the photos for free.

     

    Why were the prints so much?

  8. Posted

    36 minutes ago, SJ Guns said:

    So much speculation and rumor on this site about the legal use of force.  Are you required to retreat?  Can you use force to defend property? Can you defend someone else or only yourself?  Are the rules different in your home? A lot of information came from a guy who knows a guy who used to be a cop or something like that.

    So here are the real answers to all of those questions in 4 parts.  If you plan to carry a firearm for self protection in NJ, you should know what the real law says.  And, unlike a lot of NJ law, this is pretty easy to understand.

    New Jersey Statute 2C:3-4 Use of Force in Self-Protection
    New Jersey Statute 2C:3-5. Use of force for the protection of other persons
    New Jersey Statute 2C:3-6. Use of force in defense of premises or personal property
    New Jersey Statute 2C:3-9. Mistake of law as to unlawfulness of force

     

     

    I highly recommend everyone take a use of force class regardless of CCW status. It was worth every second. 

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  9. Posted

    7 minutes ago, Combat Auto said:

    But if you point a gun at someone just because he is walking by your car you might be going jail...This is not like Hollywood, you better be sure you can prove a legitimate SD threat before you whip it out. In the moves it is usually an obvious decision, in real life not so much...A smart thug will wait till you are stuck in traffic and not pull his gun out until he is right next to you. Or it may turn out he had no gun and was just crossing the street...You better know what you are doing out there.

    Exactly my point below. 

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  10. Posted

    14 hours ago, 45Doll said:

    When I am in my car and someone approaches with a gun drawn...

    They don't intend to shoot my car. They don't intend to shoot my money. They intend to shoot me.

    So I have every right to preempt them.

    Agreed, but they have to be pointing a gun or knife at you. It will still be on you to prove it. This woman that was abducted and murdered while jogging in Tennessee, I have to wonder if that happened here and she shot that piece of shit how it would have gone down. He was technically unarmed? By the time he grabbed her she would have had to draw and fire her weapon. Then she has to prove that he intended to abduct her. The whole "he was a good boy" argument starts to come out from the shitty family. I'm sure he has some mother reminiscent of Bonnie Watson Coleman. Idk the answer, I'm just thinking about it all. 

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  13. Posted

    1 minute ago, samiam said:

    You're assuming that the same idiots who are applying the restriction on carry in a vehicle on NJ permit holders wouln't construe transfer from a locked box to a worn holster in a parked vehicle as a violation. I would have a fairly low degree of comfort with that assumption. Regarding the risk incurred as a result, that woul depend on the situation. If you can find a parking spot that is reasonably isolated, you would probably be OK. A prime parkinig spot near a mall entrace during the Thanksgiving or Christmas holidays, not so much. 

    That's what I'm thinking... All by design. Just more nonsense to make you wonder what will get you arrested or killed. 

  14. Posted

    14 minutes ago, 45Doll said:

    If you notice all the car jackings going on, having a loaded firearm in the car at the ready would be one of the main reasons to 'carry' all the time. My car is also my castle.

    NYC thieves ram car into SUV in $20K heist on Upper East Side (nypost.com)

    And that's exactly why they don't want you to. They want you to just give up the car, money, etc. You can't use a firearm to defend property in NJ anyway. 

  15. Posted

    14 minutes ago, Spdracr said:

    How is it intimidation though? It's a simple fact. The process for the carry permit hasn't been revised so they kept the court appearance portion of it and it's a stupid visit with some stupid questions. Many people have already talked about their court appearance experience and none of them had anything unpleasant to say about it. 

     

    2 minutes ago, JackDaWack said:

    Consider that Prior to Bruen, the courts were the plave where permits were denied. That was the states way to prevent and intimidate applicants from applying. They can no longer prevent the issuance, but they sure can intimidate applicants by the process alone.. 

    PDs were adding similar kinds of "meetings" for FPIDs with additional criteria to dissuade people from applying. 

    Our courts are swamped and under staffed, by judges etc... the fact they haven't rubber stamped the process tells you they want to continue having a finger on the pulse of who gets permits and who doesn't. 

    Two of the criteria they are responsible for over seeing is already conducted at the administrative level.. the courts only responsibility is to add restrictions to the permit, which post Bruen should only indicate sensitivity places... and IMO that should be legislatively because Bruen requires objective, and not a judge's subjective opinion... 

    So it does seem to continue to be part of a process to dissuade people from applying. 

    Everyone in that court room knows that they WANT to deny you. That in and of itself is intimidating. That some judge is going to tell you it's ok to practice your second amendment right after having met every dumb requirement that the state has set forth. It's just nonsense. On top of that were already seeing judges make up laws as they go.

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  16. Posted

    9 hours ago, PoppaPops said:

    To those of you that had court dates, what exactly was the purpose ?

    I would assume to brow beat you, but I think cal is right, intimidation. Probably to dissuade people from going through with it. 

    Everything in this godforsaken state is based upon making it just a little harder, or inconvenient. 

    18 hours ago, ToddD said:


    Burlington County Update:

    Hearings are required!

    Just spoke with Judge Cooks office, not Alex who handles the courts firearms permitting. 

    In person hearings are required. Mine is set for 9/12 at 10:00. Apparently my notice should be here today. If not, probably Tuesday.  But they were mailed. 

    They’re getting back to me on whether or not the judge will issue permit on the spot or mail back to PD. 

    Also, no word on whether or not we’ll see these absurd restriction via court order like other counties. Guess we’ll find out soon.

    Not thrilled about this but at least it’s moving forward. 

    If I'm going to be bothered with taking a day off to go to court it should be issued at that meeting. Why do they suck?

  17. Posted

    8 minutes ago, marlintag said:

    The clerk was called twice and checked twice, there is no receipt of my application. PD said they sent it more than two weeks ago. I spoke with the court twice and PD once, I got no answer. 

    The difference between your experience and mine is that in your case the PD may not have sent it yet when you called the clerk. My case is very different and more concerning, the PD is saying they sent it more than two weeks ago!!! The court should have my application in the stack AND THEY DONT!. That's the issue. Samiam is correct, applications should be recorded when received by the court without exception. 

    So who pays for all the lost notorized documents? 

  19. Posted

    4 minutes ago, NorthernYankee said:

    Its funny that you propose that scenario, I was talking to my neighbor last night and he is a Detective in a neighboring town and he does the processing of firearms apps for them.  When talking about the the whole serial numbers issue he goes "And how do I verify that"  if he asks to see my firearm to check I can just say no.  And unless he arrests me and has probable cause there is nothing he can do to verify that firearm matches.  But I am not going to put that to the test for now...just food for thought.

    My brother is a police officer and said similar which is why I mentioned it. 

  20. Posted

    20 minutes ago, g17owner said:

    When I put the approximate application cost tally a few pages back, I purposely left the cost of gun off because nobody requires you to buy a new gun. We do that because we want to.

    However, after I watched that dude's video, that order is possibly given specifically to him as payback for filing a suit. Even if other's permits are coming with that, you should still apply and obtain one. In legalese, the "harm" hasn't occurred until you've received unwarranted restrictions like that. The more people "harmed", the better it is for the suit that I can only certainly imagine will come from this.

    It IS a denial of rights, hands down. Much in the way that New Jersey was "may issue" even though in reality it was "no issue". In this way, they can say "we don't deny 2A rights" but of course in practice the state did and is walking a fine line in trying to continue denial of those rights.

    My "Pay back" would be not to follow that order at all. Good luck having probable cause to search me inside my vehicle. I'm not loading/unloading my gun in parking lots. 

  21. Posted

    38 minutes ago, marlintag said:

    Update from Middlesex County!

    I called the Middlesex County Superior Court and my PD this morning after seeing that my money order was still not cashed. The court clerk told me that they do not have my application and my name does not appear anywhere. She stated that they are overloaded with carry applications and that the judge has not signed off any applications. It sounded from our brief conversation that there is no date or timeframe for the judge to even begin looking at these applications. I then called my PD who told me that indeed my application was signed off and sent to the court weeks ago!!! How's that for some crazy SHIT!!  The court clerk did take my number down to call me back on the chance they found my application. If your in Middlesex, you can forget a smooth and speedy issuance of your carry permit. So, which attorney should I go with? I'm thinking Jef Henninger or Dan Schmutter. :mad:

    This isn't our fucking problem. They decided this is how it was going to be.

  22. Posted

    On 8/10/2022 at 2:24 PM, ESB said:

    For eyes, race, hair, complexion, etc do you what are the acceptable options and and do you write it out compltely or use a standard abbreviation?  Ie if I have blue eyes and brown hair do I put BLU and BRN like whats on drivers licenses, or write out Blue and Brown?  

    Seems trivial, but could be used to deny the permit if someone in the chain of approvals was predisposed to do so.  

    I wrote it all out and for complexion wrote "light". Lol hope that's ok. 

  24. Posted

    57 minutes ago, Xtors said:

    I have USLW but not their ID theft coverage and have talked to David at Nappen's office 3-4 times.

     

    55 minutes ago, Spdracr said:

    No. I have us Lawshield with no identity protection and I call them for questions with no problems. 

     

    53 minutes ago, Jim Jones said:

    I got expert witness and bail coverage I believe.

    Thanks guys. I guess I'm just concerned that if we get some sort of restricted permit or denied for some ridiculous reason, there won't be any course of action with just the basic coverage. 

  25. Posted

    15 minutes ago, Jim Jones said:

    David from Nappen’s office actually told me that the 60 days includes both the PD and the court. If at day 60 you are not approved you are automatically approved, but will need to take them to court.  I thought it was only the PD but he was quick to correct me.

    Do you have to have the identity protection package to get answers to application questions? I'm mulling over which add-ons I absolutely need. 

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