Bob B

Which NJ statute states that the ammo must be separate? I have been looking for it, but have only been able to find that the firearm(s) must be unloaded and in a fastened case, gun box or tied package. Does the requirement reside somewhere else?

In an effort to get us back on point, Matt's original question was how would each of us respond if a Police Officer asked during a stop, "do you have any weapons in the car." I gave my honest answer and received some criticism, which I expected. That's okay, no hard feelings. I would like to hear from KdpPipes and MaidenEddie how you would respond. I believe it would be wise to consider all viewpoints. Then, Matt can decide for himself.

Its tough, attorneys practice where the money is and there isnt a lot of cash in gun rights. I think thats why many attorneys do some gun work as an off shoot of criminal work. I think the issue on gun rights law is that it takes so much time up that it is hard to do your regular work. Individual gun work isnt that bad because it is limited in time and you get paid by someone. Do you think that will change now that RKBA is a civil right?

Usually Pre-law students..or worse Paralegals.... But about once a month there's ALWAYS some findlaw nitwit who wants to argue on the side of the road about how what they did isnt unlawful. I dont argue on the street that is what court is for... Luckily those are almost ALWAYS the "if you keep postponing, you can get it dismissed the first time the cop doesnt show" guys. I usually let it go 3-4 times before i break it to them that since I work nights, court is ALWAYS overtime for me. KDP, have you ever gotten out of a traffic ticket because you are a LEO?

Yes. State v. Pelleteri http://lawlibrary.rutgers.edu/courts/ap ... 5.opn.html You can have respect for the police and assert your fourth and fifth amendment rights at the same time. Doing so does not make you a DB. The fact that a professional police officer will give you a ticket that he would not otherwise give you, simply for asserting your rights as professionally and respectfully as you possibly can, in my humble opinion makes the officer the one who is behaving capriciously. So he received and had possession of an illegal NJ Assault Weapon, and you blame the cops? No. The police officer was doing his job, and is at no fault whatsoever. I am merely stating that Mr. Pelleteri may have avoided jail time for his honest mistake had he more skillfully protected himself by exercising his fourth and fifth amendment rights even though he was unaware that he had done anything wrong.

Yes. State v. Pelleteri http://lawlibrary.rutgers.edu/courts/ap ... 5.opn.html You can have respect for the police and assert your fourth and fifth amendment rights at the same time. Doing so does not make you a DB. The fact that a professional police officer will give you a ticket that he would not otherwise give you, simply for asserting your rights as professionally and respectfully as you possibly can, in my humble opinion makes the officer the one who is behaving capriciously.

So in other words, he's about as useful as an ashtray on a motorcycle. From what I have seen, the case is being handled skillfully so far. Did something happen that I am not aware of?

No because you are not committing a Crime. I have news for you Smity WAY more people have talked themselves INTO trouble than have talked themselves OUT of trouble. if i pull you over you did something stupid..if i write you a ticket...you were either a MAJOR douchebag...OR Played Sh*thouse lawyer. Scenario 1: Officer: Do you have any weapons in the car? Driver: No sir, just a bb gun. Officer: What kind of bb gun? Driver: It

Respectfully, I ask you to consider this: If a police officer asks you if you have any weapons in your car, when he has no probable cause to believe so, and when there are perfectly legal circumstances in which you may do so, isn't he asking you to waive your fourth and fifth amendment rights? Isn't he using your own honor against you? Who is really being the @$$? Think about it.

After giving this some thought, I think I would handle it this way, whether or not I had anything in the car (which, if I did, I would be doing so in accordance with the law, but anyone can make an honest mistake, including the officer). If the officer has not yet told me why he pulled me over, I would respond with my own question, for example: Officer: Do you have any weapons in the car? Me: Did I do something wrong officer? Officer: I asked you if you have any weapons in the car. Me: May I ask why you pulled me over officer? Officer: DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT HAVE ANY WEAPONS IN THE CAR? Me: Am I being detained officer, or can I go now? At this point, the officer MUST give a reason for pulling me over or it is an illegal detention. After the officer has told me the reason for pulling me over, I would handle it this way: Officer: Do you have any weapons in the car? Me: Why do you ask that officer? Officer: It's a routine question. Do you have any weapons in the car. Me: Officer, with all do respect, if you think I was speeding, please write the ticket so that I am not detained any more than necessary. Officer: DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT HAVE ANY WEAPONS IN THE CAR? Me: Officer, if you are not going to give me a ticket, I would like to be on my way. May I go now? I know that some will think that I would be behaving like an @ss, but I'm not worried about hurting the officer's feelings. I believe in liberty and I am under no obligation to capitulate. He can take it, he's a big boy and he cannot search my vehicle without probable cause and he cannot detain me unless he thinks that a crime has been committed (i.e. a traffic violation). If he violates those rules, he opens himself up to a Title 42, Section 1983 civil rights claim. In short, I simply, but skillfully, would not answer the question.

Dan Schmutter. He is currently handling ANJRPC's OGAM case.

You might find this story interesting. http://concurrentsentences.blogspot.com ... again.html

I hope you didn't fall for that "I'll take your comments into consideration" BS. She owes you an answer if she intends to vote yes or no.

you saw it here first.. I assumed that this is where O'Reilly saw it.

Bill O'Reilly just showed the clip.

If you can't figure it out, try www.trapshooters.com. There's a bunch of shotgun guru's on that site.

Murray State Kentucky has a world class indoor rifle range in their football stadium (Roy Stewart Stadium). I shot there once. It's impressive. http://www.goracers.com/SportSelect.dbm ... PSID=35585

I don't know if this is "tacticool," but you can't get a better .22 than one built by Jim Clark Sr. back in the 60's. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =175308520 My other suggestion would be a S&W Model 41 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =176097309 or a S&W Model 46 (41 with plastic grips, only about 5000 made but you can get them for less than a 41). http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =174474465 You can send a 41 or 46 to Clark Custom guns to be acurized, trigger job, reliability package and whatever else you want, and end up with something like this:

Remington 700 in .308 with scope for under $1k. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =175292979

This is a great podcast. It really explains the level of scrutiny issue very well as it applies to the 2A in the McDonald case. http://www.cato.org/dailypodcast/podcas ... st_id=1180

Sadly, it's not that far off from NJ. Stop at grandma's on the way home from the range... mandatory sentence also. Hopefully, England has the equivalent of a Presidential pardon. If anything qualifies, this would be it.

Eric, I noticed that you modified the handle on the bolt. How did you do that? Also, where did you get your junk parts from?

Home Depot is on the Northwest corner of the same intersection. Cheyenne is on the Southeast corner, in the strip mall. There is a limit of one box of 250 per customer.

Cheyenne Mountain on RT 130 just south of I 195 has .45 ACP in the Federal Eagle 250 packs for $109.99.

http://www.anjrpc.org/ Just to be clear, ANJRPC does a terrific job running CR, organizing matches and many shooting programs. ANJRPC fills a critical role in NJ. There are many volunteers that keep all of this running at great personal sacrifice. My issue is with their policy of laying low until something hits their radar screen, i.e. OGAM, instead of taking a more proactive approach with legislators. My hope is that maybe if their members insisted, Scott Bach, the President of ANJRPC, would change that approach.