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Unless you get the advice of an experienced knowledgeable attorney, the best you can do is read the statute and try your best to comply with it. Of course, this is not without risk. My understanding is that the statutes on buying and selling ammunition don't distinguish between hollow points and non-hollow points, but the statutes on possession do, so the problem as I see it is in the possession before and after the sale. This is one of the exceptions: (2) a. Nothing in subsection f. (1) shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the place of purchase to said dwelling or land, nor shall subsection f. (1) be construed to prevent any licensed retail or wholesale firearms dealer from possessing such ammunition at its licensed premises, provided that the seller of any such ammunition shall maintain a record of the name, age and place of residence of any purchaser who is not a licensed dealer, together with the date of sale and quantity of ammunition sold. The way I read this, you can possess them if you go to your buddy's house to buy them and then go directly home, but your buddy will not be legally in possession of them if he brings them to your home to sell them to you, since that isn't one of the exceptions. All just my opinion - I'm not a lawyer... I send Evan Nappan an email from time to time to ask him a question. Sometimes it takes him a few days, but he has always answered. You might want to try that. It's a good question. I haven't heard that one before. Good luck.

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1. 6 x PPP w/ existing FID 2. Hamilton TWP (Mercer County) 3. Michelle 4. 58 Days 5. None 6. I did not provide my SSN on the Mental Health Form. She tried to make me provide it, but I showed her on the form where it said it was optional. I had to call to tell them that they were late. They had the permits the next day. The excuse she gave was that the officer that did the permits was very busy and had other responsibilities.

Thank you for posting this thread. I have been wondering the same thing. Specifically, I have been questioning whether or not a 1911 has more risk to load and unload because of the preferred method of carry -- "cocked and locked." After doing some searching, I came across this unit: http://www.letargets.com/estylez_item.a ... LE-STK+KIT There are many others out there, but this is the cheapest that I have found so far. I have seen them as much as $1,000. If you google "weapons unloading station" or "weapons unloading trap" you'll get quite a few sites.

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Sounds more like illegal immigrant registration to me. So if Congress passes a law requiring immigration laws to be enforced, then the list of ID holders must be used to find and deport illegals. :shhh:

I'm not an attorney, but you might want to consider applying after incorporation -- should be June, July. You might have more options if the denial occurs after incorporation. Just a thought. Any attornies out there that can confirm or deny?

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Wow! MSRP $699! Can that be right?

I recently asked for and received 6 pistol purchase permits (Hamilton TWP). PPP's are good for 90 days and can be extended for another 90, so six makes sense. If you anticipate being able to qualify for an ogam exemption, then you can justify (not that you have to) asking for more than 6, unless you just don't want to pay the extra $2 each. My philosophy is to always have current PPP's on hand, then when that gun presents itself, your not scrambling and waiting. BTW, after incorporation, intentionally dissuading you from exercising your right to own a gun by lying about the law will be considered oppression and will be a violation of one or more Federal criminal statutes, 18/241 and 242 and 42/1983 (civil statute). Bozos like the one you discribed are going to get schooled quickly. :naughty:

The place to look is case law -- a search to find if anyone in NJ has ever been convicted of a crime relating to the use of hollowpoints in a defensive situation at home. However, even if it is legal to use hollowpoints for self-defense in the home, that doesn't mean that the dead criminal's family won't sue you. After all, you didn't have to use hollowpoints. You subjected that poor criminal to more pain and suffering than necessary. He came for your tv and his family got your 401k. This is why we all have to call our legislators and tell them to vote yes for A198/S555, the Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground bill that provides for criminal and civil immunity during self-defense and removes any requirement to retreat. http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2010/Bills ... 198_I1.PDF

That's it. Thanks. :clap:

That's an interesting question. In the original bill, there is a statement portion which states that a violation is a crime of the fourth degree, 18 mos, $10,000. But, that statement does not appear in the published statute. I went back and read the "Pamphlet Law" and the statute. I don't see a punitive measure. NJ statutes are convoluted -- it must be somewhere.

I would like to know who picked the members of the panel. Anyone know?

So far 716, what I don't like is that I get a Change org mail every day. I try to register my wife and won't let me even after erasing the browser. I was n# 58 I received two emails from them. I unsubscribed by choosing the link at the bottom of each email. They stopped after the second one. Smity

Try deleting your browsing history, then try again. Smity

...also, you can be legally in possession of handguns in your home without a FPID card or PPP if you obtained them legally while a resident in another state and moved to NJ or you inherited them, or you obtained them before the PPP. There might be other scenarios, but the point is, not having a FPID card doesn't mean you not legally in position of your handguns. Of course, that doesn't mean that the police officer at the door knows that. In Evan Nappan's new book, he has a blurb about what he would do if a police officer asked to search his car. I think it applies here. He responds by asking the officer why he is asking. If the officer responds with a standard answer like, "I'm required to ask" then he respectfully declines. If the officer says "because there are spent shell casings on your back seat" then he knows the officer already has probable cause to search the vehicle if he can't produce a permit, so he would cooperate. Smity

I am going with two other people. Smity

Here's an article about it with a graph.

Posted on another site: The State House Counsel's office is the Gov's Counsel's office. I talk to Sallye from time to time when I submit OPRA requests. She is very helpful. Smity

I was looking for a way to do that. I don't see a way to attach a document to a post. Anyone know how?

fyi, if you want to see the minutes from the first two TF meetings and Executive Order #145 (which calls for the creation of the TF), they are posted here... http://www.njcsd.org/forum/showthread.p ... #post22505 Smity

This is the list of those "invited" to testify in front of the TF. Scott L. Bach, Esq., National Rifle Association Frank Caso -- Owner of Caso's Gun-A-Rama Inc in Jersey City, NJ Kathy Chatterton -- National Champion, 2009 Standard Pistol Thomas Comey, Police Chief, Jersey City Police Department -- Stated that pump action shotguns are assault weapons Craig Dear -- unknown Stan Gurski, New Jersey Arms Collectors Jerramiah T. Healy, Mayor, Jersey City -- supports OGAM and other gun control Andrew Jennison, National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action Carol Katona, Citizen

megaman, Thanks for the notice! I will be there and I will be testifying. I recommend that everyone testify, even if it is only to read the 2nd Amendment and the first paragraph of the 14th Amendment and the Legislator's oath from the NJ Constitution. They will get the point. Smity