Bob B

It's not that the legislators don't care what gun owners think, it's that they think that we are less of a threat to being reelected than the anti-gunners. Until we get our act together and speak with one voice, that impression will remain. I agree with Frank that the atmosphere is improving. The unfortunate thing is that the largest gun organization in NJ, the ANJRPC, has a policy of not pushing for new legislation. I had the opportunity to ask Steve Sweeney when the last time he spoke to someone from the ANJRPC was. He told me that they have been absent for the last 20 years. I think that we should all become life members of the ANJRPC and then push Scott Bach to take the lead on the CCW effort.

Remington 700 Varmint Special.

I majored in Environmental Science, so let my try to explain. Shellfish, like muscles, clams and oysters feed by filtering the particulate matter out of water. They do an amazing job of removing this type of matter and have been known to turn a cloudy lake crystal clear in a couple of decades. By restoring the shellfish to these areas, they will aid in the cleaning of the contaminated waters. They won't solve the entire problem, but over time, they can make a measurable difference. The FDA is worried that the shellfish will make it into the food supply because of poaching and make somebody sick and subsequently damage the shellfish industry. Whether or not this is a realistic fear, I have no idea. The thing I don't understand is that I have never known the EPA to listen to anybody but themselves, and I have never known them to care very much about people. This decision is very puzzling. One thing seems obvious in my mind though. The potential economic impact if the waters are cleaned is far greater than $792 million, so that should not be the deciding factor.

That looks slightly better than 1/2 MOA. Congratulations! That's incredible performance.

Even the ones that use compressed air still fit the definition.

Now that I think about it... doesn't a nail gun fit the description of a firearm in NJ? And since you can put more than 15 nails in it, doesn't that make it an assault firearm?

+1 on the baby wipes. +1 on the Leatherman (I like the Super Leatherman). Sewing kit. A pack of Sharpies. A good pair of tweezers. Super glue Several good .5mm mechanical pencils with lots of extra lead. Q-tips Shaving soap (the old fashioned bar kind) Mach 3 razors Tactical flashlight with extra batteries. Rolls of clear adhesive shelf paper (it's actually cloudy, but turns clear when applied. This is used to "laminate" things like maps) A set of good alcohol based markers and a set of good water based markers (high end arts and crafts store). Rubbing alcohol (poor 1/4 out, squeeze 1/2 the air out and put the cap back on tight, then put in a ziplock bag). Knife sharpening stone A roll of toilet paper Dental floss A small mirror Toothbrush Athlete's foot cream Antibiotic ointment Master combination padlock Put anything that can leak or has an odor in ziplock bags. Whatever you get, put it all in an ammo can. If it wont fit, ship it later.

We live in the days of instant communication. Anything besides a NICS and some forms at purchase time is entirely outdated. You go through NJ's massive process, only to go purchase a gun, and have the dealer call the same place that issued the permit for a background check. Think about it for a second - how pointless does that make the permit system if there's a background check at purchase time anyway? These processes are cloudy, costly, and inefficient on purpose. They are intentionally left outdated and inefficient to slow down permit processes and reduce the number of guns owned by law abiding citizens. The entire system has been out of date for decades now. Agreed.

SORA is the New Jersey Security Officer Registration Act. It requires all security officers to register with the NJSP, go through a background investigation and take 24 hours of training. I agree with the assessment of the training and of the fees. Some of the training was worthwhile, some, well, not so much. But that doesn't matter because there is no training required for an FPID card or PPP. My thought is, if this process exists, why is it not being used for the FPID card? The process being: Fill out the form on line. Make your finger print appointment. Get your finger prints taken. Get your card in the mail in two to three weeks. This would centralize the process, taking all of the municipality police departments out of the picture. At this point, I really don't care where the money goes. We can worry about that later. My beef is with the delays and the inconsistant denials.

I think this process could replace the FPID card and the PPP and could also be used as a permit to carry. A class would only be necessary to carry (based on current law). For FPID and PPP just fill the application out on line and make your appointment to get your fingerprints taken at MorphoTrak. You get your card after the background check comes back and the card would be used to purchase any firearm, so, no more PPP's. This process already exists for SORA cards, so it would not be difficult to make the transition and, therefore, would be an easier sell to legislators. Just thinking out loud and wanted to hear some other thoughts as well.

Is this process better than the current FPID process? Recently, I went through the process to get a SORA card. This is a card required by the NJ Security Officer's Registration Act. Here's the process: Sign on to the NJSP website and fill out the SORA application. You get a 30 day temporary license on the spot and a copy of the application. Make an appointment with Sagem Morpho (MorphoTrak) to get your fingerprints taken electronically (Appointment took 5 minutes). They staple the receipt to the application. NJSP conducts the background check. Schedule SORA class (must be completed before your temp license expires or you have to start over). I used GFH. Class was two days. SORA class provider checks two forms of ID, takes your application, takes your photo and submits completion notification and photo online to NJSP. SORA card sent out immediately (I received mine the second business day after completing the class). Total time, from start to finish was three weeks. What do you think?

Both eyes open always. In competition, I put a blinder on the sight if I can (smallbore) or on my glasses, (bullseye). A small round sticker placed properly works well. Trap and skeet, you need both eyes.

That's impressive. I think you're on to something. :clap:

What is interesting to me is that the first three items listed on the police website look like they have been written by the criminal. If the criminal were reading the first three items, what would he not want to see?

Today on MSN.com there was a What Should You Do If? article. One of the questions was "What should you do if you are being robbed?" and there was a link to the Louisville, Kentucky Metro Police Robbery Unit web site: What do you think about the first three? http://lmpdasap.com/reductiontips.html

After doing some research, I found that it is required by NJ State law to provide your SSN prior to being issued any hunting/fishing license/permit. This is so they can do a Child Support Services check to find out if you owe any child support prior. This is an anual requirement. I found no requirement to provide your SSN at the time you take the written test at the Hunter's Ed. course. Your SSN is collected either on line, or at the licensing agent (usually a sporting goods store). There is a statement that is required by law that must be on any form that states what the SSN is being collected for and under what authority. This statement was not on the test. I called the Hunter's Ed office and told them (politely of course) of being forced to provide my SSN again. He agreed that it was not mandatory on the test and would speak to his personnel about it. He also stated that they will look into redesigning the form to remove the SSN block. I made a point of telling him that I thought the course was terrific and I got a lot out of it -- no complaints about the course or the personnel, only the SSN issue. Hopefully, they will stop the practice.

The last time I applied for PPP's (6 of them) the forms were handed back to me because I did not fill out the SSN block. I politely told the clerk that it was not required and pointed to the statement on the forms stating exactly that. There was no argument. She accepted the forms without my SSN. When purchasing my last firearm, the clerk at the gun store asked me for my SSN for the NICS check. Same story. Unfortunately, this did not work when applying for my hunting license, but there is a specific law requiring it's collection as I later found out. I offer this simply as a couple of examples of how you might be able to go right around this obstacle without too much trouble.

I agree that "self defense" should be an appropriate answer, but this is NJ.

Those questions are clearly designed to give them an excuse to not issue the permit. For example, if you don't have experience with the firearm you intend to purchase, then they can argue that you are a public safety risk. Don't fill out the forms. I would start by turning in only what is required. When they ask for the other forms, just tell them that they are not mandatory and see if they capitulate. After that, then, yes, talk to the officer responsible or even the Chief. You might get them to change their policy for everyone. Get yourself a voice recorder and record everything. They sell them at Staples. After incorporation, things like this will be civil rights violations under Title 42, 1983 and could possibly be considered crimes under Title 18, 241 and 242 -- but only after incorporation of the 2A.

Evenings, weekends, at the park with the kids? That answer might be problematic under those kinds of circumstances.

If you are asked by a police officer why you are carrying a knife, what will your answer be?

I was thinking that if we make the illegal immigration issue gun related, than everyone will be happy. So here goes: Fourteenth Amendment: If the 2A is incorporated using Due Process, will illegal aliens have the same gun rights as citizens? Due process states "any person" whereas PorI states "citizens."

Specifically, it was a block on the written exam that had to be filled in or the education card would not be provided.

his right hand will pat one group on the back... while his left hand pats the back of the other... ...and sprinkle it with diplomacy and make the world taste gooooood. Obamaman can.....Obamaman can........

I just took the Hunter Ed class at Range 14, Ft. Dix and was forced to provide my SSN. I resisted, but it came down to "no SSN, no card." Has anyone been through this?