Bob B

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I love Clark guns. I have a meltdown. Where did you get her?

question is do we sue to? or sit on our hands? I would wait and let Alan Gura do his thing. That is what I am doing. Let's define "wait." Wait could mean do nothing, but the Marines have a saying, "Anything you do can get you killed, including doing nothing." Here's my definition of "wait." Gather a list of people who are interested in being plaintiffs in a lawsuit, should one be filed. Speak to as many attorneys as possible for advice and guidance. Choose the best approach. Create a step by step process. Then, as soon as the timing is optimal, based on all the research and feedback from council, execute the plan. Whether that is before or after Gura completes his suit in NY would be decided at the right moment. Everything above could take a year. To me, waiting does not mean do nothing, it means prepare as much as possible and make the decision based on the best data and the best advice at the right moment.

Not exactly..what it will do is open the door for NJ CCW..it is still going to take multiple lawsuits to get NJ to comply. Yes, but if Gura wins it should make it easier and smoother to win here. If Weschester County caves, it could still help in general. This could be very good news, in time. Gura filed in Federal, not State court. NY is 2nd Circuit. NJ is 3rd Circuit. 2nd Circuit is considered slightly less liberal than the 3rd Circuit. Therefore, there's a slightly better chance of success in NY.

I think this is fantastic. This will certainly be litigated and it will force any rule created by the courts to err on the side of preventing government abuse.

The permit has to be approved at the local, state, and county level. So for example your chief could approve it, and the state could say no. Not exactly. Your police chief approves it, then it goes to a county judge for approval and to be issued. If you don't have a police chief, it starts at the NJSP Superintendant.

I just said that it would increase your likelihood of being denied, not that you'd be denied out of hand. Do you want to be the test case? I know my chance of getting a NJ CCW permit, under the current law, is nil, why put myself through that and possibly jeopardize my chances at a non-resident permit? Adios, Pizza Bob It's a legitimate concern, however, there is nothing good that can come out of speculating. I suggest, if that is a concern for anyone, that you call the appropriate agency in FL and UT (the two most popular non-resident permits) and ask them what would happen. I have seven CCW permits. Throughout the process for each one, I was never steered in the wrong direction. I always received accurate, helpful guidance (not like in NJ). If anyone does this, please post what you find out. In the mean time, there is no harm in putting your name on the list. Who knows, if the list gets long enough, maybe we won't need to litigate.

So, should I add you to the list?

There's some information in this thread. viewtopic.php?f=9&t=8149&start=15

I think that's a great question. As a parent and a gun owner, I would like to know the answer to that myself if my child is going to a friends house. Nothing wrong with that. How are they secured should be the next question.

I am exploring a possible class action lawsuit targeting making "self-defense" a "justifiable need." There are several members of the Ocean County Gun Club that Frank started that have expressed interest and we have started a list of those who want to be part of the effort. This list is not a commitment. It is merely the list of people who will be contacted if we get to the point where we get an attorney and develop a plan of how to proceed. I am in the process of calling attorneys and getting basic feedback. If you want to be added to the list please PM me your name, email, phone #, town and county and I will add you to the list.

Some good info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.223 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56x45mm_NATO :geek:

Make sure you have the kid's name address and phone # before she leaves. Have your daughter call her in 2 hours to check if she's okay.

I love it. It makes me feel like the self-defense firearm is becoming a common and revered possession for Americans and is developing into a love affair like the one we have with 50's and 60's muscle cars.

This is priceless. In Iowa, a sheriff denied a CCW to a Right-wing activist because he made the voters in his county upset. The court found for the plaintiff, ordered the sheriff to issue the permit and take a 1st Amendment Class. Heres a quote from the conclustion:

No big deal, just buy some new ones in D.C..... Doh! :doh:

I brought some permits in the other day to be extended. She just put them in the typewriter, x-ed out the old date and typed in the new one and handed them back to me. I don't see why that couldn't have been done in this case while you waited.

If you decide to get an alarm system, may I suggest that you have the alarm company put a room or a closet as a separate zone that can be armed independently of the main alarm. That way, the house can be open, with that one room armed. You can keep your items and valuables in that room while others are working in your house. If the door to that room is opened, the alarm will sound and you will receive a call from the monitoring company. If you normally have your important stuff in your bedroom, it would make sense to do it with that room. That way you don't have to move anything, just set the alarm for zone 2 and go about your life with peace of mind. If someone opens the door, they've got some explaining to do. One of the flaws of a single zone alarm system is that it will not stop this kind of theft where you have to turn your alarm off for access reasons -- hence, my suggestion.

Had to share this. I prefer to think of this as a constitutional conservative therapist and a liberal patient. hFgiUm4lQig

That's what I thought. Thanks for the confirmation.

Ok people, I haven't been a member here that long to know what the "S" word means. From the NJ Police website: Q6. How do you transport firearms? A6. Firearms shall be carried unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported. Ammunition must be transported in a separate container and locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported.If the vehicle does not have a compartment separate from the passenger compartment, the firearm must be in a locked container other than the vehicle's glove compartment or console. I have been wondering about this issue for quite some time. It is now clear to me. The NJSP website is not necessarily wrong, they just don't distinguish between inter-state and intra-state requirements. Those are guidelines where, if followed, will keep you safe if you are traveling in NJ, to NJ or through NJ. I am sure that the question is meant to inform out of state travelers as well as NJ residents. It's not bad guidance, but it is a bit misleading for those of us who are merely going to the range from an NJ residence. Is that the way you guys see it?

Are we confusing the Firearms Owners Protection Act with NJ Law?