Shane45

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Well its relative so it doesnt really matter. So say its a 2 moa dot. 3x makes it 6 moa. But say your target was 50 moa, now its 150, so you have a 6 moa dot on a 150 moa target so it doesnt really matter. Quality doesnt escape physics. Its making a choice between Second focal plain or first focal plain if your refering to magnified optics. In a red dot, cheap or expensive it works the same way. Its the same as using a FFP scope I supose.

Not a problem.

An option is a rds such as an aimpoint or eotech as mentioned and add a magnifier down the road as funds alow. That setup doesnt blow my personal skirt up but I know many who successfuly run that setup. Another option is to get a good used acog now and add red dot to it later as funds allow. As I always say optics is a world of compromise at every tunr and its a deep deep rabbit hole to chase down....

Sorry spaceman your wrong. It will work. I know because I have actually tried to do it...successfully. There is no focus in a RDS because its true 1x with no parralax or eye relief. Your depth of field being longer in a RDS is simply wrong, it doesnt exist at all. So if the magnified optic has enough eye relief, you CAN fit the rds in fron of it and look through it. The only eye reliefe that matters is the magnified optics eye relief. I have considered ordering a USO SN4 with extended eye reliefe and mouting an aimpoint m4 in front of it, but the practicality of weight is an issue.

I think it boils down to two options. The triji Accupoint which has a proven track record and the SWFA SS(which by all reports seems highly durable as well). Each having a trade off. The triji advantage is its daylight brightness but it has no holdovers or exposed knobs to dial elevation. The SWFA has very nice ret options but its not nearly as bright in stark daylight. I think this would translate into the SWFA is more precise, the accupoint faster in daylight. It probably could be argued that this is splitting hairs. I know there are those that favor meopta but I dont have much experience with these so I dont know their price points. However, dont forget you ned a mount which will also add cost....

In short, no. I dont even think you could find a used discontinued accupoint TR21 in that price range.............

I would honestly say that Im probably Ill equiped to answer your question. I havent assemplbed one in probably almost 8 years. I would defer to Vlad on this. With that being said my shooting partner also favors BCM and I never see his stuff go down. I dont have personal hands on but I have heard a ton of people say that their Daniel Defence rifles run real well too. The DDM4 series comes to mind as what looks to be a good reasonably priced rifle. On the topic of what seperates the good from the bad, a conversation I had with Pat Rogers is what always comes to mind. His take was that any AR seems to hold up ok in a static range environment under a light firing routine, even bad ones. The compressing firing times and high round counts of his classes expose the weak from the strong. Some brands stand out as never really having issues, others not so much. I defer to this kind of intel because trainers see a great cross section of what works and what doesnt. Lately SCARS seem to be getting a lot of the nod in classes.

Buying less than quality equipment if you only ever intend to plink is fine. But not everyone out there shoots 500 rounds a year. For dedicated shooters that actually run their equipment hard, the rifle its self is actually the cheapest part of the equation!!!!!!! Read that again.The rifle is the cheap part. Forget about the fact that I like having quality equipment because of that 1 in a millian chance the world does go sideways. Lets look at it from a more practical point of view. Im looking at a training class right now thats 1500 for the class, probably cost me 600 in traveland 700 in ammo. Thats 2800 for just one training session. Do I really want to plan a trip like this on the reliability of a rifle for saving $350 bucks? Extrapolate these costs out for yearly ammo, other train up classes, range memberships, competitions and the actual price of the rifle becomes quite small. Even more so if you look at it from the perspective of the actual cost difference. So it doesnt have to be zombie fantasy to drive the desire for quality equipment.Life experience has taught me its just plain good economics.

Heres a question for you guys. What exactly is milspec? And just so I dont get accused of leading people into a trap, the follow up question in advance is how many manufacturers are actually in posetion of the TDP to build truly milspec ar's? I understand budget. But I dont believe in false economy. If you can pop for 650, is 1k really that much farther out of reach for a LOT better quality? The one thing I will say is that if your a 500 round a year casual shooter and dont care about how your rifle would fare if the world went sideways, then I can see the economy route i guess.

I am not a fan of Larue QD mounts whatsoever. I have not found them to be terrebly good at return to zero and I hate the smiley faces they can leave in your rails after a while of on and off. It is my opinion that the new USO mounts are the very best. But they are expensive. I also like Bobro, GDI and even ADM. If you go rings, as stated, standard will likely be too low. Med high has worked for me but YMMV.

By putting the red dot in front, basically your trying to recreate a poor mans S&B 1-8. Ret in the FFP, dot in the sfp. Since these scopes look like they are going to be well north of 3k, I can understand the interest LOL

Thanks much appreciated! Ill tell you the "rest of the story" in person

Oh hell show it anyway, its just a faster .30

When I joined you could pull a car out there and shoot it if you like as long as you cleaned up. Today god forbid your target holder is 3 inches to short! To add to that long range is one of the things I like and SJ is reportedly pushing out to 1000 yards.

Hehe I know you would brother. Still got your grip and manual sitting here on my desk LOL.

Define what you consider long range. I find this varies A LOT!

I have not renewed my CJ membership after about idunno 12 or 15 years. Im changing to SJSC.

Dt, there are many ways to skin this cat and all of it is a compromise one way or another. But the bottom line is that the mission decides the equipment. I know someone who operationally uses just about every combo going. But in the end its an individual choice for what works for you and what compromises your comfortable with. This is a farily deep rabbit hole!!!

In theory this would work, its the practicality part thats a problem. If you had a magnifying optic with enough eye relief I believe it would work.

No glock for me! As stated earlier if I wanna shoot monkeys out of trees while aiming at targets on the ground then maybe For my crunch and ticker compatability I look to HK and S&W M&P. "They run reliably if you take care of them.....well what if you can't?" My former competition 1911 would gum its self to a stop right around 2k. But if you wiped it out and pissed on it you could easily get another 500 out of it.

"Case in point: I own a ~$500 M1911, a Springfield Armory Mil-Spec model. It's a ittle fancier than their GI model, but the same parkerized pistol. I've only put about 200 rounds through it, but it has functioned just fine. Even with cheap $5 magazines, it feeds and functions without a hitch." Shoot 2k in a weekend and report back. Even a Llama can probably survive 200 rounds. That doesnt make it a quality 1911.....

It should be assemblers club!

"making the 1911 more accurate, and consequently, more finicky" Only if done incorectly...

And with the demise of all these AUG based offerings, I dont think anyone is likely to pick up that torch anytime soon... I think its now deemed an economically unviable pursuit.