NFRs2000NYC

The way he answered the gun question leads me to believe he either doesn't personally care, or does support the 2nd amendment, but doesn't want the headaches of dealing with idiot legislators that waste his time. Could I be wrong? Absolutely. Just a personal opinion, nothing more.

While the law is a little vague and can be argued, I personally wouldn't test it.

The next time I buy a gun, I will ask my FFL what they say. According you "you" the responsibility is then on the NJSP. They are supposed to inform the dealer/FFL that you will be in violation of OGAM if the purchase goes through, which again, clears the dealer/ffl of any responsibility.

Can you please link the case?

By the way, in legal terms, the word KNOWINGLY is NOT the opposite of "didn't know." KNOWINGLY doing something (in regards to law) is often a crime. Not knowing is NOT.

Or.... "So we see you sold this gentleman a second handgun in less than 30 days." "I sell thousands of guns to thousands of people. It is not possible for me to remember all purchasers and their respective dates." "Why didn't you ask?" "I am not required to by law." "So you violated the law and sold him the gun?" "No, I followed the correct NJ protocol for firearm sales."

After more and more reading, the key word up there is KNOWINGLY. So, in essence, the dealer ALWAYS has an out. They can ALWAYS say "they didn't know." You on the other hand, don't have that out, and thus, the responsibility is on you. However, by law (or lack of it) there is nothing on the books that requires them to ask, so technically, unless they KNOW you personally, and KNOW you bought a gun less than 30 days ago, they can NOT ask, make a sale, and if indeed you are under 30 days, it is your problem. This is the SAME thing as hiring an illegal with someone else's social security card. It is illegal to hire an illegal alien KNOWINGLY. However, there is no law requiring an employer to VERIFY the social security number, thus, as long as the employer does not blatantly ask "hey, are you illegal?" then they can always plead ignorance. I guess we can put this to rest now.

Again, they may be asking you for YOUR OWN good, trying to be nice and helpful. Our discussion here is whether or not they HAVE to ask.

Show me the statute. The law is for purchasing handguns, not selling. Again, we must separate opinions and facts. If there is no specific statute, then it is legal. I will NOT argue the fact that his coworker lost his FFL license. However, there could be 100 different things that could have done it. I can find nothing stating this is true. Furthermore, NICS is a national background check, and I do not believe they give that info to the FFL. They either deny/approve based on criminal records. Think about it. If they see you bought a gun 20 days ago, they might say no. Little do they know, you have an exemption permit. OGAM is a NJ state law. EDIT....I just read the entire legislature in regards to handguns in NJ. Out of it all, this is the ONLY line that validates what you guys are saying.... That means, if the FFL KNOWS you bought a gun before the 30 days, he may DENY you. Nowhere in the entire body of legislation does it say the dealer or FFL is required to ASK you whether or not you are within the 30 day guidelines. The responsibility falls on the buyer. Not trying to argue in a mean way here guys. Just want good info for our members, no hard feelings, and if anyone has anything to add, by all means.

Not arguing, but show me the law. I have bought 3 firearms and never has anyone ever asked me for my last purchase date, etc.

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I was told by a salesman at NJ Firearms Guild in Rahway that the OGAM law is 110% on the buyer, and has nothing to do with the store/FFL. It is the BUYER'S responsibility to check and stick with the proper dates, and the seller/ffl has no duty to check on you, and if you are obeying the OGAM law. Moral of the story, the FFL guy has no reason to even ask you the question. My FFL dealer didn't ask me a damn thing in regards to OGAM.

You do not have the right to carry on the 3%. Unless you have the right to be the ONLY one there (which you don't, any other resident can be on the 3% at any time) you are not in your dwelling, and thus, cannot carry.

Again, I see him playing the political game rather than fight for what he believes in. I still think he is PERSONALLY pro gun, but politically, doesn't care, and wants the votes. If appointing an anti gun AGeneral keeps him in office, he will do so. There is only one person I have ever come across that runs his political career like his life, and that's Ron Paul. Other than him, they will sell their soul for a power seat.

Judging by his words and actions, I believe he is very PRO guns. However, he knows it won't pass, so he doesn't bring it up, thus, not scaring those votes away. To him it is not an issue worth fighting a brick wall for.

Horrible gun. Has a minimum of 5 design flaws straight from factory. Feels like a POS. Unless you are 5 years old, it's way too small. Highly inaccurate. If you want a great plinker, get a Sig Mosquito. Excellent build (not quite P220, but made very well,) is the size of a service pistol, same grip angle as most service pistols, and is EXTREMELY reliable. I have put 1500 rounds through mine without cleaning, and have never had an issue. I use CCI mini mags.

Ah gotcha. I was under the impression that this was a different type of pistol permit. Now it makes sense. Thanks for the help!

So I've been looking over this application, and don't understand one thing... I wanted to apply for one of these under the "collector" status. Now, I already own my range gun, HD gun, etc, now I want specific, very hard to get guns, that pop out on sale rarely. Now, these guns are not old, but are very rare (for instance, the HK 45 USP match in stainless, for those that don't know, it's the Lara Croft gun.) There are also a few others I am hunting after. Now, according to the application, there is a field for the serial number for the guns I am "purchasing." My question is, how the hell am I supposed to know a serial number of a gun that isn't for sale yet? Is this exemption obtainable if I give them this reason, that I am looking for certain guns and they appear out of nowhere from time to time? Any advice is appreciated.

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Well that's what I mean. The only reason he is alive is NOT because he is an "off duty cop" but due to the fact that he was carrying. The media sees this as "see, a cop did his job and stopped a criminal." They completely gloss over the fact that the gun saved his life.

If this was a normal place, I would agree with you. In reality, a normal guy gets killed, no one bats an eye. A cop gets killed, people notice. Sure, the gun probably saved his life, but that issue is a distant second to the fact that a cop stopped a carjacking. If he was killed, people might start to think, hey, if our cops are getting killed, how safe are the citizens. I get what you are saying, and it works here, in our online land of milk and gunpowder, but in hippie NJ, the only way you are going to get CCW is the same way Florida did in the 70s....with blood on the streets.

The sad/funny thing is, this whole situation would be a lot better for people like us (people who demand CCW for citizens of NJ) if the cop was killed.

Well, you asked me to "stay within the confines of "a law." Lethal force is allowed if one has a credible fear of bodily harm. After a mugging, I may still have that fear. Just because the guy is running away with my wallet, it does not mean I no longer fear for my life, as a matter of fact, plenty of psychological studies show that people are still in fear for their life DAYS after an event of violence. A rape victim can be in fear for the rest of their lives, after an attack. Hell, some violence victims get seriously mentally scarred for life, fearing dark hallways, night time, etc etc etc. It has also been proven that DIRECT action (either shooting, or seeing police shoot a threat) provides "closure" and eases the victim's mind. Knowing that their attacker "is still out there" can mess with a human brain more than you know. How would you feel if your wife was attacked at her job's parking structure? I bet you would worry every single night and make sure she gets to her car safely. How do you think she would feel?

Again, BY THREAT OR ACTIONS OF PHYSICAL FORCE. None of the above are done with physical force.

Laws don't allow you to do anything. Laws PROHIBIT you from doing something. If you want to play semantics...if I was just mugged for my wallet, I have a credible FEAR of the mugger coming after me to my house, and killing the rest of my family. Prove that I don't have that fear.