NFRs2000NYC

For those that answered the question, I appreciate the answers. Again, the lawyer calling 911 comment was NOT an idea I came up with. From the research I've done, if someone invades your home, AND you had time to call 911, you have time to either retreat, or possibly not have to shoot. Since you did not IMMEDIATELY fear for your life (by reaching for a phone instead of a gun) then it might be construed as NOT a credible fear (depending how long you stay on the phone.) If you have a reasonable fear for your life, you have one job to do, and one job only, and that is to stop the threat. The lawyer part is due to the fact that you ALREADY shot someone, thus, you calling the cops vs a lawyer calling the cops makes no difference, regardless of how you PERSONALLY feel about it, law is law, and you have every right to call an attorney before 911. Remember, we are NOT talking about BEFORE you shoot the guy. We are talking about a case (most cases) where you SHOOT FIRST and THEN make the phone call. The two phone calls are VERY VERY different. That is the premise of calling your lawyer first. It is not MY idea, it is something that is written in MANY books and articles on the matter, so no need to just down MY throat about it.

Don't know why you seem to have a chip on your shoulder, but don't do me any favors.

Relax buddy. The "call the lawyer first" is from the book "After you shoot" that is sold on glockstore.com, as well as praised on MANY gun sites. Don't really know what I am trolling. My wife is a commercial litigator and my mother works in general commercial sales for Robinson Silverman. These are not MY 1-4 rules, just something I read, so relax. However, good call on calling me a troll....I think you need to learn a thing or two about online etiquette to actually comprehend what a troll actually is.

But that's what I mean.....if god forbid (I'm just saying, hypothetically) tonight someone breaks into your home, and you plant 3 in the chest...who would you call? We all TALK about what needs to be done, so I'm curious...it seems we all NEED an HD lawyer on speed dial in case of...well, you know...

Whats up guys, I've been reading up more and more on NJ gun laws, more specifically, home defense laws. Now, I get the general gist of NJ law, having a weak castle doctrine WITH a duty to retreat, and it seems the "standard" procedure of HD is... 1)Shoot the BG. 2)Call your lawyer. 3)Have the lawyer call 911. 4)When 911 arrive say "I shot for fear of my life" and nothing else. etc, etc etc. Now, this is something I read everywhere, be it books, forums, whatever. I was just wondering, for that SHTF day, do you have a lawyer you can call? Both my mother and my wife are actually lawyers, but not this type of law, so I just wanted to know if you have a business card taped to the inside of your bedside safe for when you might NEED a lawyer. Is there a lawyer in NJ thats THE lawyer for HD cases? Penny for your thoughts....

Since this conversation is interesting....so say you kill someone with a "transferred" gun...Assuming the shooting was indeed self defense, that means the only crime the prosecutor would pin on you would be illegal transfer?

Really? That makes no sense. Since a gun can't have more than one owner, I don't get how it would be practical having a gun per person for home protection. What happens if we both have FIDs and P2Ps, and our own guns, I now have to worry about grabbing the "right one?" Surely the law can't be THAT stupid....or is it?

I agree with everything you said. I do shoot all the mags, and all the ammo, just obviously not as much of the HD ammo as the bulk ammo. I still put an orange (colored it red) baseplate on my HD mag, but I keep the mag attached to the door of the safe, and the rest of them deep inside the safe. As for the safe, I have the Barska one, and so far, have been quite happy with it. Spent a good two hours programming it to myself and my wifes fingers (in different positions) and spent a bunch of time trying to trip it up with no avail. Combination lock was out of the question for HD, keyed only didn't work for us either, and the keypad ones have QC locking issues (like the sentry safe.) Got a great deal on this one, so I guess time will tell how it will hold.

Dude, I was in the IDF from 18-21. That was some time ago. Furthermore, I didn't own my own weapons. I also stated that my wife is home as well, and since I currently work nights, this is more for her than anything else. Jeez, you guys are a bunch of tough cookies.

It's all good. I smoke too, so I figured he didn't mean any harm. Honestly, the best mounting place for my safe was in our bedroom closet near the bed, but it's about a foot over my head (maybe less) and it's deep. I can grab the gun instantly, just want the hollow points to be easily identifiable, thats all.

I keep reading lots of ranges don't allow Wolf steel rounds specifically, although I don't know the reason. I have also heard lots of complaints with CCI. I will try the other two though.

Relax there buddy. I was in the IDF, so I have no problem with guns. If you read my question correctly instead of just spouting off BS, I said I wanted a different color magazine for HOME DEFENSE rounds, so I know which ones to NOT grab, when either going to the range, or loading for home defense. I wasn't questioning the fact that I should keep the gun loaded or unloaded. The safe is bolted above my head, so ease of spotting a correct magazine will greatly help. Now, put down the steroids and protein shake, and take a breath.

Thanks guys. Any particular sources you guys recommend? Also, my local shop sold me some Winchester white box 9mm, and they seem to be ok with my glock19. Any other brands I can look at that are not low quality and will hurt the gun but are even cheaper?

Hey guys, I tried searching for the answer, but couldn't find what I was looking for, so please bear with me... I was wondering if it is 100% legal to buy ammo online and have it shipped to my home in NJ? Are there ANY restrictions?

Ordered the OEM Glock ones, one in orange and one in blue, $3 a pop. Thanks fellas!

This is why I love this place. Didn't know you can buy different baseplates. Thanks a lot guys, much appreciated. Now going to try and locate the baseplates.

Whats up guys, So I recently got my Glock19, and have it secured in a biometric safe in my bedroom closet. I keep it there for easy access for my wife and I in case, you know, zombies knock our doors down. I have 6 magazines for the gun, and wanted to paint one of them red/glowinthedark and keep Critical Defense hollowpoint ammo in it for home defense, so that it would be easy to grab IF necessary. Just wondering if you think they may be any adverse effects of doing so? I just want the magazine easily identifiable since I have a bunch of magazines in there. Thanks for any and all help... P.S. Does a product like this exist, like a glow in the dark glock magazine?

Let me ask you this then.... I ASSume that when you get/apply for a pistol permit, the "man" knows if said permit was used, so they would know that you have a gun. It seems registration just lets them know EXACTLY what gun you have, and the pistol permits tell them that you HAVE a gun. Am I missing something...again, not arguing, just educating myself.

Wow, excellent answers guys. You guys are 100% right. That settles it, no registrations for me.

I'm a total newb, so here is a question..... Why are people against registering their guns? I see most are against it, I would just like to know why (no arguments here, just education.) How can you prove that the gun is legally owned if not registered? What are the downsides of registering?

Well, good news. Went down there today, the detective was in, and he took care of everything for me. It just seemed like he just never checked his messages. Very nice guy actually, gave me some advice on first guns and all. Scheduled my fingerprinting for March 29th! Some notes for others, but please take this with a grain of salt, as it might only be MY department. They no longer want money orders when you apply. They collect payment when you actually come in to pick up your card.

One more thing, can anyone tell me EXACTLY how much my money order needs to be for the application and 5 permits? App. is $5 and each permit is $2 right? Total of $15, or do I have that wrong?

I went last week, but he wasn't in. I will try again tomorrow, with hopefully, better results.

Guys, I've had all the forms (well, both forms) in triplicate, the correct money order, proof of ID, proof of citizenship, and proof of address for the last 3 weeks in a very nice, very pretty package. It's just that there is no one to take them from me.

Well, I'll try tomorrow, and post back....sigh. Government anything is so awful....