NFRs2000NYC

I appreciate a well kept range, and I sure appreciate a private range. I have no problems with chipping in with my time.

Thank you very much for that information. Sounds great.

Hey guys, After searching high and low, I decided that the Old Bridge Club is the most convenient for me to commute (I live in Millburn NJ.) After reading many reviews and threads on the club, it seems like a great place to shoot. However, I am a bit puzzled by the membership requirements. I understand that all clubs have initiation fees, then yearly dues. However, other things I do not get. 1)The probation period. Can they reject your membership for whatever reason and just keep your initiation money? What reasons are valid for rejection? I can understand negligent behavior, bad behavior, etc, but what else? Can they reject you for being a bad shot? I only recently got into owning my own firearms, and while I am ok, I am not a "marksman." 2)The 12 hours of working...this I don't understand at all. They require you to "work" 12 hours a year for the club? Doing what? 3)Participating in two events....again, what if I don't feel like I am good enough to enter into a shooting competition? This struck me as odd. Thank you for taking the time to help me out. P.S. Do they sell ammo there, or is it BYOA only?

Bookmarked! Thanks guys! On a side note, where do you guys get all these statutes from? Is there a specific place you look that has them all in one place?

I asked this question a few weeks back. The problem is, you have a shotgun in the woods....9 officials out of 10 will pin you as a hunter....without a license. To be safe, get a cheap annual hunting license, and you are covered.

The only gun I'd ever need...the AA12.

Does anyone know of a campsite on skaneateles lake? I've been searching to no avail..seems like an amazing place to camp!

Sounds like not a bad idea except... 1)Going with the wife, so the no bathrooms thing will be a hard sell. 2)In NY, NJ, & PA, you are breaking AT LEAST 3 laws doing so. I think I found a nice place in the Fingerlakes, so we'll see how that turns out.

Thanks. As for campsites, I was wondering if anyone has personal experience with a specific one, since there are thousands in a 3 hour radius so I figured those that have been around can point me in the right direction.

So you are saying spray is no good???

Hey guys, I am looking to go camping this weekend with the wife. I am just wondering, since it is summer time, and it is bear season, I would like to bring my shotgun with me just in case something happens, so I was wondering, can I legally bring a long gun to a campsite for protection to NJ, PA, or NY? I know pistols are illegal in NY, but what about long guns? On a side note, does anyone have any suggestions for a great campsite? Requirements....a swimmable body of water, privacy, quiet, heavily wooded, fishing allowed (not catch and release) and that's basically it. I guess NJ/PA preferred, but NY is ok as well. Trying to keep it under 3 hours away.

Yup, just read it again, NJ does indeed have it's own version of the castle doctrine, which among other things, provides the victim with absolute immunity from civil suits, so the story posted above is completely false hearsay.

Correct me if I am wrong, but NJ has a law that prohibits civil suits in a home invasion situation. Let me dig through some stuff, and I'll post back.

Correct. At best, you would be unethical, but ethics for the most part are not part of law. If you signed a lease, and then got a gun, the landlord has no legal recourse. If you tell them upfront you have firearms, they can just pull the lease, you have nothing to sign, thus, no apartment. FYI, 99.99% of leases are generic. They are not "custom written" (unless it is some high end building like Trump in the city) but are generic leases that most landlords use. For instance, my lease had a "no car washing clause" but when I told my landlord that is unacceptable, she told me she doesn't care, it's just "there" and I can scratch it out if I like. Half the time, the landlords don't know what is in their own lease, so the no firearms clause may be just one of those things.

No, pets imply damage. They smell, they scratch, their pee can destroy hardwood, so that is totally enforceable. However, it would no be easy for a landlord. Assuming other tenants in the building are cool with it, any time a landlord files for an eviction (which is the only thing you can do as a landlord for breach of lease) you must show damages. So, if you got an apartment, got a dog, and the landlord found out, he would have to take you to court, PROVE FINANCIAL damages, and THEN, you can be evicted. If you are a normal dog owner, the landlord would have an EXTREMELY difficult time evicting you, as he MUST prove FINANCIAL damages.

I can say the same thing about your post. Landlords have the LEGAL RIGHT to put a "no hair,no mustache, no boobs, whatever clause" however, that does not mean it will hold up in court, as proven countless times, and is just crap on paper. I have had landlords who had a "10 pm no noise clause", which is LEGAL to put on paper, but ILLEGAL to enforce. I've also provided an excellent example that is used today, ie, no satellite dish. Jurisdictional dead end...you can put whatever you like on paper, it does not mean it can be enforced.

Thats the thing though, a business is not rented by employees or patrons, thus, the private property rights are in play. When a tenant is renting, it is THEIR property. Now, honestly, we can go back and forth on this, but in reality, the landlord would NEVER spend the legal fees to try and evict someone who is paying rent, and will end up losing anyway. Furthermore, your other word..."fraud"....fraud to a landlord would imply that I somehow cost them money, which in this case, I didn't.

After talking to my wife (attorney) here is what she said... A lease is a private contract, which means (as all of us here failed to do) if you cannot find a specific law FORBIDDING IT or ALLOWING IT, then it is 100% civil. Now, after the lease is signed, the Heller case comes into play, which allows you to have a gun inside your home. Your landlord would have no LEGAL way of knowing you own a gun, so the original question is moot. Furthermore, in NJ, there are absolutely no laws that would entitle the landlord to receive ANY damages or an eviction, so, sign away, you have nothing to fear.

What your landlord did is illegal, but since noone would ever take a landlord you don't have to court, the mess goes on. Like I said, you are under no obligation to divulge any information. Many people here say "it's private property, he can do whatever he wants. You, the tenant, agree to said terms, so if you sign, you agree and must abide by the contract." That is nothing but legal jibberish. No judge would EVER give an eviction notice to a rent paying tenant, simply because they own a LEGAL firearm. The reality is, it is the LANDLORD that CHOOSES to become a landlord, and now must abide by 5 million restrictions, including allowing tenants to bring anything and everything into said dwelling providing it causes no damage (pets, smoking) and no ordinance violations (noise.) Once you rent, you own the property for that duration. The landlord loses almost all claims to the property. He cannot search, he can't do ANYTHING other than sweep the sidewalk. You, the renter on the other hand, have the LEGAL RIGHT to do whatever/wherever/ you please, as long as it does not violate any laws, and LEGAL restrictions on the lease, of which there are basically two in NJ at this point...pets and smoking. Like a job interview, if you get a candidate you don't like, you can tell them "oh the apartment is taken," but if you see a "no firearms clause" in your lease, sign it anyway, it's just meaningless jibberish in civil court. BTW, here is a clause that I bet a number of you here have, but never knew...who here lives in a development? Do they have a no satellite dish clause? Illegal. By federal law, they must allow them. Cable company competition, but even today (law is pretty old) they are still sticking it into their lease contracts.

Landlords have no right to have a no gun clause in the lease (there might be one, but it would never stick in court) as firearms are legal in the state of NJ. This would be an equivalent of a no tv clause, as crazy as it sounds. Furthermore, you are not under ANY legal obligation to INFORM ANYONE that you own a firearm in your own home. What if you move in, and then decide you want a gun? So now you cannot purchase a legal item because your landlord said so? Fat chance. They would NEVER EVER get an eviction notice, and you would probably be awarded damages for a frivolous lawsuit. Contrary to popular belief, the landlord NEVER EVER has a right to enter your premises after the lease is signed. They may enter without your consent ONLY in emergencies. For anything else, they need your permission, and if you do not give it to them, they need to go to court to GET permission. NJ is extremely pro tenant. Don't sweat it.

True.

Don't buy this book. I mentioned a few lines from the book, and half this forum reamed me out, calling me a troll and a slew of other remarks. If you do buy it, don't mention the content on here I guess. The comment I made that set everyone off is in the book, he says to call your lawyer before calling 911, and have your lawyer call 911. Just the mere mention of that line got a bunch of angry comments.

Good post. I live in Millburn, and have guns. My arguement against the "we live in a nice area is...." crooks don't break into houses in crappy areas....there is nothing to steal...

My legal knowledge is rusty, and I will ask my wife in the morning, but I am pretty sure you cannot single out SOME businesses and require them to do something. Furthermore, there is NO WAY this would ever get passed. The chance of a guard actually shooting someone are quite high in Newark and they are NOT police...so, 1)You would see a TON of arrests on the guards 2)Owners liable for millions if the shooting was "vague." Never gonna happen...

Apologies, iphone autocorrect.