Dan

Here is my logic as of late... Online is good for when you know exactly what you want, want the absolute best prices, and do not care about post-sale support. Buying from a shop, you can usually get help with it if you have problems as the shop owner will usually have a vested interest in supporting you so you buy more from him/her in the future. Shops are also good for when you are not sure what you want, and would like to handle the gun to check it out. Something I don't see mentioned much is convenience. I have a few shops around me, but two of them burnt me either quoting ridiculous prices (like $150 over on a $400 gun), or the "it will be in next week" run around for 1.5 months. Other shops that people speak highly of here on the forums are 1 to 1.5hrs from my house. Even if they can get the gun for the same as online prices, it still makes sense for me to travel 15 min than an hour and a half. This is for when I know what I want, and I'm not concerned with post sales support. I also feel in control when I purchase online. I get tracking numbers so I know when it is arriving, and an immediate phone call when it gets in. My last local shop experiences were not that smooth unfortunately.

Sorry, I don't agree here. The prosecutor would have to prove that he was possessing the hollow points "under circumstances not manifestly appropriate" while committing, during the course of, or conspiracy to commit the crimes. He was not a prohibited person from owning then, and was clearly under exemptions for possession. Thats not to stop the prosecutor from pushing it to court, and being we live in NJ, the jury may in fact be convinced that he was some kind of crazed lunatic drug dealer, looking to use terrorist/cop killer bullets to kill people. This is my point with many of the weapons laws in our state, it is purley up to the police/prosecutor on whether or not they want to try to put you in jail. The wording of so many of our laws and rule by exemptions absolutely puts people on the defense to prove their innocence instead of the other way around. There's a clear listing of the crime statute numbers in which the "possession of a weapon during a crime" can be used. From quickly looking at them they all seem to come from the 2C criminal listing, all 1-4 degree crimes. Although I haven't looked them all up, I highly doubt minor motor vehicle infractions count (like blowing a stop sign), not counting vehicular homicide and such other serious things. I'm not saying this guy wasn't bad , and he deserves to be in jail on the drug charges. I'm all for that and I'm not defending him in any way on that stuff. Its just that these are the cases that sets precedence that could later be used against law-abiding people on technical violations.

It will be nearly impossible for them to stick him with unlawful possession of hollow points if he has no priors and is not prohibited from owning. They are in his own house, and he didn't use them during the commission of the crime. The prosecutor will probably use it as a bargaining chip in a plea, hoping the guy's lawyer is an idiot... "We'll throw out the possession of hollow points if you confess to xyz"

I just ordered some powerball in 9mm and .357sig. Replacing old hydroshocks in my 9mm, and golddots in my .357 sig. The golddots are still very good performers from my understanding so I'll keep those, maybe stagger GD's and PRB's. They hydro's I'll be blasting off at paper to get rid of them.

Not really, they are two different types of exemptions. And 2C:58-3 this: a. Notwithstanding the provisions of N.J.S.2C:39-9, N.J.S.2C:58-2, N.J.S.2C:58-3 or any other statute to the contrary concerning the transfer or disposition of firearms

Doesn't even have to be 18, there is an exemption for this: 2C:58-6.1. Possession of firearms by minors; exceptions a. No person under the age of 18 years shall purchase, barter or otherwise acquire a firearm and no person under the age of 21 years shall purchase, barter or otherwise acquire a handgun, unless the person is authorized to possess the handgun in connection with the performance of official duties under the provisions of N.J.S.2C:39-6. b. No person under the age of 18 years shall possess, carry, fire or use a firearm except as provided under paragraphs (1), (2), (3) and (4) of this subsection; and, unless authorized in connection with the performance of official duties under the provisions of N.J.S.2C:39-6, no person under the age of 21 years shall possess, carry, fire or use a handgun except under the following circumstances: (1) In the actual presence or under the direct supervision of his father, mother or guardian, or some other person who holds a permit to carry a handgun or a firearms purchaser identification card, as the case may be; or Edit: The difference being the "actual presence" part when it comes to temporarily transferring to minors. Where a temp transfer could be loaning a shotgun up to the time limit for someone to go hunting.. not needing to be present provided it is used for one of the exemptions such as hunting, target practice at the range, etc.

Maybe he should have went through it backwards, it seems to handle really well in reverse.

From what I understand, its still on the books that hollow point purchases need to be recorded at time of purchase. I guess they don't want to deal with that, and just deny all HG ammo "just in case"... That being said, there are loads of places that will ship to NJ.

I bet they got them under possession of a weapon for unlawful purposes. Apparently hollow point bullets are defined as a weapon in and of themselves under NJ statutes. 2C:39-3 Prohibited weapons and devices f.Dum-dum or body armor penetrating bullets. 2C:39-4.1. Weapons; controlled dangerous substances and other offenses, penalties. b.Any person who has in his possession any weapon, except a firearm, with a purpose to use such weapon unlawfully against the person or property of another, while in the course of committing, attempting to commit, or conspiring to commit a violation of N.J.S.2C:35-3, N.J.S.2C:35-4, N.J.S.2C:35-5, section 3 or 5 of P.L.1997, c.194 (C.2C:35-5.2 or 2C:35-5.3), N.J.S.2C:35-6, section 1 of P.L.1987, c.101 (C.2C:35-7), section 1 of P.L.1997,c.327 (C.2C:35-7.1), N.J.S.2C:35-11 or N.J.S.2C:16-1 is guilty of a crime of the second degree. c.Any person who has in his possession any weapon, except a firearm, under circumstances not manifestly appropriate for such lawful uses as the weapon may have, while in the course of committing, attempting to commit, or conspiring to commit a violation of N.J.S.2C:35-3, N.J.S.2C:35-4, N.J.S.2C:35-5, section 3 or section 5 of P.L. 1997, c.194 (C.2C:35-5.2 or 2C:35-5.3), N.J.S.2C:35-6, section 1 of P.L.1987, c.101 (C.2C:35-7), section 1 of P.L.1997,c.327(C.2C:35-7.1), N.J.S.2C:35-11 or N.J.S.2C:16-1 is guilty of a crime of the second degree. If he was a prior convicted felon, he could also be deemed a person prohibited from possessing weapons under 2C:39-7 as well.

Wow, great find on the range bag. I've been looking for a large, affordable, and high quality one. That Midway $39.99 deal for theirs in olive drab is a sweet deal. I ordered one of those up, along with a Midway shooting mat that was also on sale.

Congrats. Nice rifle. Color scheme looks off balance for now, I bet once you get that colored stock, I think it will complete the look you are aiming for.

Not trying to plug Nappen, but his book is useful in bringing you up to speed in living in occupied NJ with guns. http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/new-jersey-gun-law-guide/5505852

The policy needs to include provisions for using personal judgment in situations when your life or others' lives are in danger. If fighting/disarming the guy was in your best interests of self-preservation or that of others, it would be ridiculous to follow the store's policy. Sounds just like NJ's self defense laws outside of your home.... Flee, avoid, give up ground or possessions, all before using force for self defense. It could be argued that if they let the guy take the laptop, he would have left them alone. Counter-point would be that nobody can predict the future, and he could have easily put them all up against the wall and executed them. An example is 9/11, where the terrorists on the planes said to sit quietly and nobody will get hurt...

Doesn't matter, owning the knife for collecting purposes is a "lawful purpose", and is within the law. You just wouldn't be walking around with it in public, unless you can explain a good lawful purpose for it... and you can't use self-defense.

What a couple of dumb-arses. Its like they were trying really hard to get throw in jail.

Wonder if they will make a civilian model? Pretty amazing recoil reduction system for a .50BMG rifle.

I vote belt. Check out Side Guard Holsters. I'm very happy with mine. http://www.sideguardholsters.com/

Add to that ....

Was it a murder/suicide? Doesn't seem to be a robbery.

I'm sorry , looks like a walmart frankengun to me. I have yet to see a bullpup conversion kit that avoids this fate. The fact that it uses an SKS makes it worse for me. Tacticooled SKS's just don't sit well with me. IMO, they look best with their original wood furniture, maybe slightly worn even... and the bayonet.

Yes, I am a member of NJ2AS and NJCSD if they are some examples that you are sarcastically referring to. Bravo to your comedy relief efforts. I applaud the efforts of both groups for doing a fantastic job. I'm just not convinced the initial feel and materials on both of their sites is upfront friendly to an easily distracted and slightly apathetic non-shooting gun owner, and especially non-gun owners for that matter. Definately a right direction, and I am in no way bashing or portraying these groups in any negative manner.

I completely agree with you. Any suggestions on how to educate the masses? We face monumental distractions, short attention spans, and a majorly anti-gun biased news media. The one thing that the anti's have done well is their effort to brand gun owners as "gun nuts without common sense". This has been resonating with the "I could care less about guns, but if they say it makes me safer, I'll go with that" crowd. The non-gun owning populace that relates to this are very malleable in their thoughts. It really comes down to who gets their attention first, and makes the better compelling argument. The attention part is the difficult area, with the news media outlets feeding mostly anti-gun rhetoric. Where I think we could make big waves is the non-shooting gun owning population. I have at least 3 friends that fall in this category. They own guns, but maybe shoot them once a year (when I drag them out). None of them join an organization, and none of them actively research or seek out recent events around gun rights. They agree with the arguments that I present, but they pretty much stop there. My challenge is what to give them to read in whatever media format, that outlines gun right current events and the real bottom line on what is going on around it and how it could affect them. I'm not talking about NRA news or reading through this forum. It needs to be to the point, how it affects them and others, who are the forces behind it (elected officials and groups), and what they can do about it. Remember, short attention spans and distractions. People don't want to read 6 page fear-monger newsletter about how "Obama and the UN wants to take your guns away". They want real intellectual and factual information with substance and clear options on how they can act or get involved.

I'll trade you TWO Mosin's for it!

Am I getting you right in that you are stipulating that our largest hurdle regarding the right to keep and bear arms is the stratification of idealogy regarding gun rights and 2A amongst the pro-gun rights population? A good example are those who are pro-gun rights/2A, but tend to succumb to what the anti-gun crowd refers to as "common-sense gun laws"; i.e. , someone falling for the trap of giving up ground to have gain somewhere else. I remember seeing a post of someone saying it would be OK if they limited magazines to 10 rounds provided we can get national carry as an example. Everyone should understand that any new gun restriction laws that would be acceptable are only those that punish criminals who commit violent crimes with the use of a gun, and reasonable measures to make sure criminals cannot easily obtain or carry guns (CCW permits, NICS check at purchase). Any other restrictive gun laws (AWB, mag caps, .50 cal ban, OGAM, BATF importation rulings, May-issue, etc) have only one purpose, and that is to slowly erode away our (law abiding citizens) gun rights until they are completely gone. The anti's know they can't win with sweeping legislation, so they will ankle bite this year, then go at the knee for the next 5 years, and before you know it they will be at the head. Many gun owners are also apathetic and complacent. I also find this to be a big challenge for the pro gun-rights voice in our country. Not necessarily on this board, but I do have many friends who I classify as pro gun rights, but stop there. No joining of pro gun rights organizations, donations, writing letters to law makers, etc. I really believe there are many many of this same mindset out there, and mobilizing them would be a huge win.

A dealer here should be able to pin a brake.