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I have seen gun racks on pickup trucks in the country, I have not seen one in a car though. A permit is not needed if the gun is in plain sight in the vehicle. Also a permit is not needed for a loaded handgun in the glove compartment, center console, or any factory compartment...because Kentucky does not consider it concealed. And concealed is where everything comes into play here. With the positive gun laws here, one may find it strange that Kentucky was probably the first state in the country with a gun law ..."Kentucky’s statute of 1813, the first to forbid the carrying of concealed weapons" . http://www.saf.org/LawReviews/FJK.htm

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?99708-Kentucky-Gun-Laws Here how it is done in my state of Kentucky CARRY/OWN [+]237.020 Permit to own: No [+]237.110 Permit to carry: Not openly [+]527.100 Minimum age to OC: 18 for both handguns and long guns [+]527.100 Minimum age to own a firearm: 18 [..]Registration of firearms: No [+]527.020(8) Transport: Loaded or unloaded. In plain view or in any compartment installed by the original manufacturer. [+]503.055 Castle Law: Yes [+]503.080 Duty to retreat: No [..]Must inform: No [+]526.010 Record police: Yes, one party consent. [+]244.125 Carrying in a bar: Unloaded and unconcealed only. [+]244.125 Restaurant carry (as opposed to a bar): Yes, loaded if desired. It must make more than 50% of its earnings on FOOD and has at least 50 seats in the dining facility. [..]Signs having weight of law: No, but if a prohibited place fails to post you're still in violation if you carry. [+]237.106 Able to keep firearms at work: Yes, in your vehicle. [+]527.070 Able to keep firearms at school(k-12): Only stored in your vehicle during drop off and pick up. CONCEAL CARRY [+]237.110 Permit to carry: Yes, CCDW [+]237.110 Minimum age to apply for a CCDW: 21 [+]237.110 [+]500.080 Legal to carry concealed: Any deadly weapon including, but not limited to, firearms, knifes, metal knuckles, billy club. [+]237.110(20)(a) Honors all states conceal carry permits. [+]KY state police.org States that honor KY CCDW: AL, AK, AR, AZ, CO, DE, FL, GA, ID, IA, IN, KS, LA, MI, MN, MS, MO, MT, NE, NV, NH, NM, NC, ND, OH, OK, PA, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VA, VT, WV, WI, WY. Some states may honor a KY CCDW permit but restrict carry to only handguns, all states listed are subject to their own laws. You must follow the laws of the state that you're in. RI and US Virgin Islands may honor with additional restrictions. [+]508.050 Printing: Displaying a firearm in itself isn't a crime. [+]527.020 Transport: With a permit you can have it anywhere in the vehicle. [+]237.110 Places you cannot legally conceal: Police/Sheriff dept, detention facility, Court of Justice, government meeting, bar, any place where carrying of firearms are prohibited by federal law. [+]237.115 No criminal penalty shall attach to carrying a concealed firearm or other deadly weapon with a permit at any location at which an unconcealed firearm or other deadly weapon may be constitutionally carried. [+]237.110 A CCDW holder must carry the permit at all times he/she is conceal carrying. Failure to provide CCDW at the request of a LEO is a non criminal $25 fine without court cost. Misc Laws [+]519.020 Obstructing: A person is guilty of obstructing governmental operations when he intentionally obstructs, impairs or hinders the performance of a governmental function by using or threatening to use violence, force or physical interference. [+]525.60 Disorderly Conduct: A person is guilty of disorderly conduct in the second degree when in a public place and with intent to cause public inconvenience, annoyance, or alarm, or wantonly creating a risk thereof, he engages in fighting or in violent, tumultuous, or threatening behavior; makes unreasonable noise; refuses to obey an official order to disperse issued to maintain public safety in dangerous proximity to a fire, hazard, or other emergency; or creates a hazardous or physically offensive condition by any act that serves no legitimate purpose. [+]525.30 Cruelty to an animal does not apply to: Killing of a aggressive animal in self defense/ defense of another or in defense of a domesticated animal.

If this has been posted already...please delete... http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/crime/mount-laurel-man-has-conviction-overturned-in-gun-case/article_a1e075e4-7fa5-54e6-a469-9847b3efcfb6.html TRENTON — The former Mount Laurel man who had his prison sentence for gun violations commuted by Gov. Chris Christie in 2010, has had his conviction for the most serious charge against him overturned by the state Appellate Division.

Correct, my typo...No permit to bring in from another state into NJ. I think in California , pistols that are bought in (when you move there from another state) have to be registered...no sure about the long guns though. Carry Permits are available in some counties though. Puerto Rico is worse than NJ when it comes to gun laws. Puerto Rico is in the midst of starting up a national gun registry, and if I read it correctly everything (including long guns) will be on the registry and permit/license holders will be in the registry. I know PR is not a state, but in a sense it is in some ways. Hawaii has permits and licensing systems that look worse than NJ. Massachusetts is pretty awful for gun laws, though it might be possible to get a carry permit there. Both Massachusetts and Illinois got the idea for their FID schemes from New Jersey's 1966 Sills Gun Control Act. Illinois started their FOID (Firearm Owners ID) card in 1968. Not sure when Mass started their FID system.

Illinois is worse than NJ. There it is illegal to have any firearm or ammo without the FOID (firearms owner ID) card. If a person moves from another state into Illinois, they have to obtain the FOID first before bringing their firearms in . New York City and state, a permit is needed before getting a pistol and it is against the law to bring any handgun into NYC/State unless one has a handgun permit first which is taking six months these days. Moving to NJ there is permit needed to bring your (NJ legal) guns in.

Say if NJ went to a no carry permit, how would it work? We need to look to Illinois and see how it is done there. As I understand it, while there is no carry permit for armed guards there. There is a "PERC", "FAC", along with the the FOID card for armed guards. Its like a certification and the guards are restricted to on the job carry. If you are on call 24/7, you may carry 24/7 . The "Firearms Authorization Card" is required from your employer. The PERC is a certification for an armed guard. http://www.chicagola...-class-faq.html http://www.thehighro.../t-290525.html\ http://www.ilga.gov/...400F05300R.html I believe all LEO's, judges, city alderman and possibly other officials are exempt from the Illinois no carry rule. Here are the Illinois laws if anyone is interested for comparison to New Jersey's laws. http://www.isp.state...docs/ptfire.pdf The Illinois FOID (Firearm Owners ID) card became law in 1968. http://www.isp.state.il.us/foid/firearmsfaq.cfm

Are you going to keep the NJ FID and get an address change? Is there a waiting period before you can apply for the CCW permit in PA? Some states have a six month residency requirement. Not sure if there is a residency requirement before one can buy a pistol. I believe there is some sort of residency requirement here in Kentucky.

Congratulations. Now you can also buy some sling shots and BB guns at Wallyworld.

Maybe a church group can help.

RE: Such states do not require residents to obtain the government’s permission before carrying a firearm for self-protection. There are currently 17 states that have either enacted legislation in the past or have introduced “Constitutional Carry” laws in their legislatures this year. Current law: Vermont Alaska Arizona Montana Wyoming Considering legislation: Colorado Georgia Iowa Kentucky < INCORRECT Maine New Hampshire Ohio Oklahoma Rhode Island South Carolina South Dakota (on governor’s desk) Virginia _________________________________________________________________________________ Some of this information is not correct or misleading. Montana has constitutional carry only in some areas of the state, and I am certain that is restricted to the rural areas. The rest of the state needs a permit for conceal carry. Wyoming only allows its citizens to conceal carry without a permit, visitors need a conceal carry permit. In Kentucky there is no active legislation , it was tried before by Representative Mike Harmon and went nowhere. So there is no current effort going on in Kentucky. The other states are doubtful too, the exceptions are; New Hampshire and South Dakota might pass constitutional carry this year.

I see issues with it, besides just being 'over the top'. The BATF could deem it a machine gun since it can shoot more than one round at a time. Since it is made in Italy the BATF could refuse importation cause it does not meet the 'sporting purpose'. NJ (and other states) could ban it anyway because it has a double clip exceeding the state limit. Those living in other states probably would find it too expensive to buy or just too over the top. Probably would need a special made holster, if one can be made for it.

Replied on the other thread........

After the Katrina gun confiscations, a number of states have passed laws against gun confiscation, Kentucky is one of them.. http://www.lrc.ky.go.../237-00/104.PDF 237.104 Rights to acquire, carry, and use deadly weapons not to be impaired during disaster or emergency -- Seizure of deadly weapons during disaster or emergency prohibited -- Application of section. (1) No person, unit of government, or governmental organization shall, during a period of disaster or emergency as specified in KRS Chapter 39A or at any other time, have the right to revoke, suspend, limit the use of, or otherwise impair the validity of the right of any person to purchase, transfer, loan, own, possess, carry, or use a firearm, firearm part, ammunition, ammunition component, or any deadly weapon or dangerous instrument. (2) No person, unit of government, or governmental organization shall, during a period of disaster or emergency as specified in KRS Chapter 39A or at any other time, take, seize, confiscate, or impound a firearm, firearm part, ammunition, ammunition component, or any deadly weapon or dangerous instrument from any person. (3) The provisions of this section shall not apply to the taking of an item specified in subsection (1) or (2) of this section from a person who is: (a) Forbidden to possess a firearm pursuant to KRS 527.040; (b) Forbidden to possess a firearm pursuant to federal law; © Violating KRS 527.020; (d) In possession of a stolen firearm; (e) Using a firearm in the commission of a separate criminal offense; or (f) Using a firearm or other weapon in the commission of an offense under KRS Chapter 150. Effective: July 12, 2006 History: Created 2006 Ky. Acts ch. 240, sec. 7, effective July 12, 2006. _______________________________________________________________________________________________ Older NRA page about this subject... http://www.nraila.or...e-right.aspx?s= Go to the NRA gun law page and go down the page and use the filter by gun laws under the Emergency Powers Legislation filter.....http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws.aspx Those who are interested can follow a recent thread on THR on this very subject http://www.thehighro...ad.php?t=647500 The co-owner of the site http://www.handgunlaw.us/ needs YOUR help in getting information about New Jersey's laws regarding gun confiscations and other acts during a possible emergency. His site is compiling all the laws of all the states that deal with this very subject. If you go to http://www.handgunlaw.us/ and click on each state it will take you information about the gun laws and down the page, laws about guns and emergencies. If you have any information about NJ please go to that site and email him the information. If I find anything, I'll let you know here...

I'm partial to revolvers, but I suggest getting a Ruger .22. They are reliable, not expensive, the .22 cal is an inexpensive shot so plinking away without spending a lot of cash. My personal favorite is my Rossi .38 sp revolver, but thinking about getting a S&W. Don't limit yourself to one or two handguns. Go to a range and see if you can 'try before you buy'.

Don't forget these too... soldering gun heat gun water gun staple gun nail gun And since the person probably had water pipes throughout the house, and since these can be made into guns...they probably got them on 'constructive possession' ...especially if they didn't have the 'water pipe' permit. If they had 400 ft of pipe in the house...that alone translates into 100 'guns'. They probably had pieces of 2X 4 wood laying around, that constitutes a 'billy club' and illegal in NJ so that probably adds up to 25 billy clubs right there.....

Yep, makes one wonder if having one or two rifles "inherited" and 'off the books' and stored in that nook and cranny with a box or two of extra ammo might be a good thing...

NJ is not alone with the FID system, Illinois and Massachusetts have these and I believe Puerto Rico and Hawaii do too. NY State is actually worse than NJ when it comes to owning a pistol. While it is true that some counties in NY State, you might be able to get a carry permit...you cannot own a pistol unless you have a permit. Unlike NJ and some other states, if you moved from elsewhere you cannot bring in any pistol until you get a permit. If you lived in another state, you must get the pistol permit. Then (as I understand it) any pistols that you might have owned has to go through an FFL. Long guns are no problem, though someone said one county upstate has long gun registration. And in this post I am not even talking about New York City which is even much worse. That means if you move from NJ to NY State, you must get a permit first (which seems to take six months these days...one person had to wait 13 months) which includes the background check, letters of reference, mental check, and if all goes well...you go in front of a judge. Once you have the permit and then you can get a pistol, if you want to add another pistol the process is one pistol at a time, this is done by the county, and in some counties the process for that is taking 12 weeks. In some counties in NY, there is a 5 handgun limit before you are visited by the police and have to prove to them that you have a safe. Once they come in look at the safe only then you can obtain more pistols. If you think I am making this up, please read the threads at nyfirearms. The gun rights (or the lack of them) are sometimes worse in other states in some cases. http://www.nyfirearm...pistol-permits/

This is certainly encouraging news.

http://www.ncrpa.org/faq/ownership.shtml Q: What is the deal with this Pistol Purchase Permit law? I moved from one NC county to another and found that the Sheriffs of each county have vastly different requirements for getting Permits. Isn't this covered by State law? A: The Pistol Purchase Permit law was passed in 1919, and is a classic piece of Jim Crow-era legislation (Jim Crow History). The recognition of civil rights for blacks and other minorities meant that the Constitution applied to minorities. This meant that blacks and other minorities could exercise their natural right to self-defense, with the full support of the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution and Article I, Sec. 30 of the North Carolina Constitution. This did not sit well with the Ku Klux Klan (which for many years was headquartered in Raleigh, just down the street from the Legislature) and other racist groups and influential individuals. The racist members of the State Legislature knew they could not overtly prevent minorities from purchasing handguns for protection, so the seemingly innocent Pistol Purchase Permit law was passed. This law allowed local Sheriffs and government officials to discriminate with impunity at the local level. Even today, the Pistol Purchase Permit law is implemented in an arbitrary and capricious fashion by 100 individual County Sheriffs. Some Sheriffs do little more than collect the fees and hand out permits to the law-abiding, because more than that is not necessary. Others implement ridiculous, intrusive requirements that either discriminate on a wholesale basis or are selectively applied so that discrimination can be more personalized.

A person has to go to the sheriff for permit to purchase buy a handgun, and some have argued that it is up to the discretion of the sheriff. I believe the permit to purchase requirement is waived when one has a carry permit.

They should have a bill that keeps idiots from proposing these ridiculous laws...

This is a badly worded law and could be open to selective enforcement, so hypothetically speaking...If a person goes to a gun show in North Carolina, pays admission and walks out with a rifle ...the person could be charged? What about those selling at a gun show? They are bringing firearms in to a place where they have to pay for a table (admission). What about a gun range charging by the hour (admission) ?

I'm not sure what other states are doing (automatic behind the scenes) monthly checks of NICS of those with carry permits. I bought this issue up with others in the Kentucky forum and they don't seem to have an issue with it. I think it is big brother watching. While it is true that the carry permit (which I do not have yet) lets one bypass NICS and only the 4473 is required, there should be no reason for a monthly check. I mean whats next? A weekly check? When does it stop? Yes I know we at least get to conceal carry (with a permit) , no argument there. Unlike some other states , we have mandatory training and testing and that runs $80....once one passes the training and gets the certificate ( 2 weeks) ...It is only then can one apply and from there it takes upward to 8 weeks and that is another $60 plus costs for photos. Other states take much less time, some cost less and some do not have a training requirement and do not run monthly NICS checks on its permit holders.

Those NICS numbers are distorted for Kentucky. The KY State Police does monthly NICS checks on ALL conceal carry holders. http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?98740-Ky-number-one-5-years-running http://www.wkbkradio.com/pages/11912736.php?contentType=4&contentId=9706270 "Kentucky, which ranks 26th nationally in terms of population, topped the state rankings for pre-purchase background checks in 2011, the FBI said. Gun sellers in the Bluegrass State, which has just 4.3 million residents, generated almost 2.3 million instant background checks in 2011 - accounting for roughly one of every seven the FBI processed during the year. But Fischer said Kentucky's numbers were distorted because the state runs a fresh background check every month on gun owners with state-issued concealed weapons permits. "

In Kentucky, all you have to do is ask to see the firearm and they let you look at it.