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The 1.5" difference in barrel length will give you no discernable advantage in accuracy or velocity. That upper you have will do everything the upper you are looking to build will do. That being said, a new upper is halfway to a new rifle and everyone needs a new rifle.

I know a few too. Most all carried a rifle and a pistol. They also rolled in groups and knew that if their gun went tits-up their partner had their back. They also rolled with armor, air cover, and comms. Now, I am not comparing walking down Main Street USA with Saddam Hussein Ave in downtown Baghdad. But... shit happens everywhere, not just MLK Blvd, and violence occurs with a quickness. I can think of 20 or so AARs where a second or even third gun saved the day. Like I said, if I need to skin a pistol, it is on, and I will win.

Excellent question. Doesn't make sense to me either... But consider the source.

This video captures some of the extraction issues - (skip to 4:46 to see his girlfriend take some brass to the face and head like a champ!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0QUqhC6c_w&feature=youtube_gdata_player Look at how inconsistent the ejection is on the 4th gen 9mm guns - his G34, G17, and G19, and her G17(?). Note - I am not a fan of this guy, but... His girlfriend in HOT and likes to shoot, and every now and then he has a decent segment with another instructor (for example, Ron Avery did a video with him dissecting the drawstroke and talking about economy of motion that was really good) so I watch some of his videos.

Here is a bigger reason not to post this kind of bullsh!t If someone readings these accounts gets their panties in a bunch, what some of you guys are thinking of as "no big deal" could turn into a real ass-ache for Maks. He could be subpoenaed to court and/or forced to start turning over records, screen-names, and personal info on members here to investigators, lawyers or Police. Doesn't matter if it happened this morning or 50 years ago. New info could be a reason to open the case again, and a previously justified incident could be looked at again civilly. Why in the world would you want to open that can of worms and put this site under that kind of scrutiny for such a stupid topic as this? This could potentially affect everyone here, and ultimately shut this whole place down.

It is much easier to do with the full size guns. The lighter the slide the harder you have to hit it for inertia to take over. With a G22/17 or G35/34 it is pretty easy to "auto-forward".

I always carry at least one extra mag, and a BUG. Screw that "It is my day to go" crap. If I am in a gunfight, I'm gonna win.

It's a small municipal agency in Middlesex County.

I had an HK once. I sold it and bought 2 Glocks.

Most of the guys on Teams that I know/have met/trained with say they same. The follow up question of "what other handguns do you shoot or train with often to compare it to?" is often met with blank stares. A lot of the hardcore face shooters I know aren't gun guys. They shoot what they are given. I like Sigs and would have no problem carrying one if I had to. With the little amount of time I have on them though, I do not shoot them very well at all, especially when compared to Glocks (I am issued a Glock, so I try to stay in that category - the whole "beware of the man with one gun" thing) my suckage can easily be remedied with a few thousand rounds and about 6 months of training.

Quick rundown of small caliber PDW type ammo - 5.7 and 4.6 by Dr. Gary Roberts, arguably the number 1 guy out there today that is dealing with terminal ballistics from a gunfighting perspective. Granted this is a pistol thread and most of this write up deals with PDWs (P90/MP7). Hopefully, the realization the lack of ability of this round even with the advantages of the longer barrel/higher velocity, full auto capability and greater control afforded by a PDW vs a pistol is not overlooked. If it is this poor of a performer in a PDW, how much worse is it in a pistol?

As awesome as that may sound for a movie, I don't think so. But... I don't doubt they have the capacity to do it if the need arises. I know a few agencies (Fed, state, local, and county) that have LMGs and MMGs in their armory

When I am doing high risk entries, I am carrying an AR regardless of the presence/threat of armor. The P90 doesn't even appear on my radar. Just sayin'

Again, The CAT teams prefer to carry ARs, not P90s, and Sigs not FN 5sevens. The P90 is used when it fits certain mission profiles because it is better than a pointy stick under a suit jacket. The ballistics on the 5.7 round is abysmal regardless of a 30 round capacity (which you can't have here anyway) - 30 rounds of crappy terminal effects is still 30 rounds of crappy terminal effects. I have seen the effects on deer that were attempted to be put down by this round and it is shockingly bad. If by penetration you are talking about the anti-armor capabilities you should know this - not every chambering of the 5.7x28 round is armor piercing. Most are not. There a a couple of very tightly controlled offerings that have the ability to do this, the rest have little more power to penetrate than any other pistol round. By comparison, they also make a 9mm high velocity round that is capable of penetrating body armor as well. Quick math problem: If I can shoot 6-7 rounds of more effective ammo significantly faster that 30 rounds of poor performing ammo and still have 10 rounds of decent ammo left if necessary vs. having to reload the gun with the crappy ammo, who wins the fight? If it is such a good fighting pistol, why is it not in every police holster, ever soldiers gear, every SEALDeltaRanger's rig out there. Why haven't other companies designed their own platform for launching this magic pill like a swarm of angry bees? Bottom line: It is a niche cartridge fired from a niche weapon - with the right ammo from the right platform it shines in a very very narrow mission profile. Otherwise it is insufficient and found lacking for most jobs you need a pistol to do. Vehicle mounted with other cool things.....

Well Shoot... Why didn't you say you had a Wiki article on it! That article clearly trumps my first hand experience from training and being personal friends with some SS CAT guys

On Nov 5, 2009 a terrorist scumbag known as Nidal Malik Hasan, a 39-year-old U.S. Army major serving as a psychiatrist on base at FT Hood Texas shot 43 people killing 12 soldiers and 1 civilian. He was armed with an FN 5seven pistol and an older model .357 revolver. I can't remember the model number, but I think it was a S&W. He did not fire the revolver. This terrorist scumbag asshole walked into the medical center on base where he worked and opened fire on dozens of unarmed American Soldiers waiting for Dr. appointments. Reports state he fired in a "fanlike" motion into a large crowd of soldiers. In all he fired over 210 rounds from an FN 5.7 pistol - he most definitely reloaded. When he was finally shot by responding local Police Sgt Mark Todd they found he had another 170+ rounds on his person loaded in 20 and 30 round mags. While many (13) died, it is interesting that over twice as many (30) were wounded. Looking at the stats, most of the wounded were shot multiple times and some in critical areas like the chest, back, and head, but thankfully still lived. Three men tried to rush the terrorist scumbag and stop him. All three were killed - Captain John Gaffaney, Civilian physician assistant Michael Cahill and Army reserve Specialist Logan Burnett. Soldiers/marines are people like any of us, made of meat and bone. I don't understand your quote "if it was strong enough to stop a few of them then I would think it was strong enough to stop any thugs on the street" here.

Why do I recommend against slapping the mag to seat it? I have seen a lot of people not fully seat the mag in the initial insertion. Then if holding the weapon so the barrel is perpendicular to the deck, (or in any orientation where gravity can "pull" on the loaded mag) when you take your hand away from the mag and flatten it out to palm strike the baseplate in order to seat it and get that *click*, gravity can overcome the friction between the magwell and the loaded mag and the mag can fall right out of the pistol. I see it a lot. Doing this while moving can make this happen even easier. I can think of few things worse to do in a gunfight than trying to bend over and pick up a mag of the ground. It is also wasted movement and ineffecient, slowing you down when you need to be fast. All you need is a single hard, aggressive "push" into the magwell to seat the mag whether you are doing a speed reload from slide lock or a tactical reload or reload with retention to top off your pistol with a round still in the chamber and then get back to doing what you need to do. No time should be wasted with slapping, hitting, tapping, etc.. ETA: Just saw you have a G27. That is a hard pistol to do this when as you aggressively push that mag in, the palm of your shooting hand is in the way. You have the potential to either pinch the crap out of your palm or your hand may prevent you from getting the mag in far enought to seat on the first try. If you relax the bottom of your grip (pinky, ring finger, and palm) but keep hold of the pistol with the top of your hand (trigger finger, middle finger and thumb) when you do this, while moving the bottom if your palm away from the pistol grip a fraction of an inch it can alleviate the issue. With a little practice it is simple and becomes second nature and very fast.

They don't use the 5Seven Pistol, but they do use the P90. The SS also uses ARs, Sigs, Uzis, MP5s, UMPs, 249s, 240s, and a bunch of other stuff. The 5.7 platform is a niche gun, and they are used solely because they can hide them under a coat better than a short AR, not because they are a death ray or because the platform is the bees knees. I know a few SS guys and a couple of their CAT guys (SS SWAT Team). The plainclothes guys that carry the P90 all know the limitations and understand that it is one mag per bad guy. If given a choice, the guys I know would all rather take ARs if they could. All the CAT guys use ARs. If that round was as good as FN touts, it would be in every cop holster in America. Instead, PDs like Washington Twp NJ bought them and then had to scramble to find money to replace them after a year of use when they realized that they had been had.

No it does not. My agency inspects all employees vehicles every 6 months. If any Title 39 infraction is found (tint, lp cover, no front plate, no ins, no reg, no inspection, unapproved equipment, cracked windshield, obstructed view, etc...) you get a ticket and written up. If we are going to enforce it on others we will enforce it on ourselves first. I have no problem with this and frankly, I wish all PDs did it.

Good thing. You will need all 30 rounds to hit so the bad guy knows he should stop. That round is a notoriously bad fight stopper with nothing going for it except a good PR campaign involving placement in sci-fi movies and video games and a "kewl" looking platform to launch it from. We looked at that round for my agency in a P90. The ballistic testing was abysmal at best. I know a Florida SWAT Cop that shot 2 people with a P90. The terminal ballistics of the 5.7x28 leaves a lot to be desired. Practically dumped a 50 round mag into each one to stop the fight. I know for sure one of them lived, and I *think* the other one did too.

I wouldn't say worse, just different. If you are used to, and like, Glock triggers, especially the heavy tactile reset they have, then you will not like the M&P. The APEX kit was designed to give the M&P a more "Glock-like" feel, not necessarily because they have terrible triggers, but because their reset point was very subtle. That said, I did have the APEX DCAEK kit in my M&P45 before I sold it. I shot fine either way, but I was trying to make it feel more like my Glock. I figured if it felt similar, I would shoot it more and it would not alter my abilities with my mandated duty gun. The Apex Kit made the trigger more Glock like, but in totality it was still different enough that if I spent a range day on the M&P I would need to spen 2 range days getting back up to speed with my Glocks. So the M&P got sold and I bought a second G35. The Apex kit is nice, but not necessary.

Good to know! Allow me to amend my previous statement:

I know a picture is representative of 1/1000 of a second, a mere "moment" in time and without context gives no real idea of what was happening, but, damn that guy looks funny. Hell, he may be a world clas shooter for all I know, but geez, they could have picked a better picture.

Raven. It's a little big but doable.