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I won't go to the Brick High School Cafeteria or anything Yes , my son's school bus drops him off at our door. I would not be picking up or dropping kids at school. My route will be my driveway , to my dad's to drop the baby , the range 2 miles or so away , back to pick up the baby , then right home. I could wait in the car and have my dad get the baby out , and then put the baby back in without ever getting out of the car myself. That would be the height of mercenary grandparent use. I'll just play Cats In The Cradle while I'm idling in the car. Good grief , to have to think these things out.

Glad to have you here , and thank you for your service!

No worries I can never read anything but email on phones. I'll maybe tell him I can only come in for 10 of 15 minutes because I have to get my locked up unloaded denizen of hell 's machine back home asap before it breaks its bonds in the back of my Honda Pilot and goes on a killing spree in the retirement trailer park.

If you're interested in something like a Remington 514 .22 single shot bolt action , I have something for under 100 bucks. The gun is in good condition , probably a late 70s or early 80s model. Sorry , I don't know what kind of scope it would take or anything like that. I can get some pics of it for you this weekend.

Good money making idea for any range owners . DAYCARE! Just like the gyms. Get the stay at home moms in the range during the weekdays lol

I live 1 hour 10 minutes from my dad..then another 2 miles or so to the range , then back to my dads to pick up the baby , then home. It all comes down to being polite and having a cup of Joe and a sandwich before going back home turns it into a punishable offense.

Ah , I would primarily be interested in practicing with my NEW revolver ( I pick it up Tuesday ) and my .45 . The Mini 14 is for fun . I also have a Mossberg I've been wanting to let dislocate my shoulder. But my primary interest in practicing for improvement is for handguns. I have always found the Brick police to be a good bunch ( as long as you're not a summer Benny lol) ... How far would they go to determine how long ago I left the range? Would an officer really say you should not have stayed for that sandwich when you picked up the baby? I know , nobody knows the answer to that . I depends on the officer who responds to whatever situation .

I would definitely only be visiting his home .. having a bite to eat there and solving what ever vexing computer issue my dad last got himself got himself into.

Oh , I can bring the guns in the house with me for safe keeping?

and I am not allowed to bring my bag with my safely kept firearms into my dad's home while I sit with him for an hour I suppose. Well , he'll understand. I don't like that I have to do it that way though.

I thought of that too...time away from the vehicle. I may have to skip any visiting afterwards? I hate to "use" my dad for 2 hours then say " see ya!!" He would want to feed me and enjoy my company for at least a measly hour after I was done.

My personal opinion is I'm fine..having to drop your 8 month old off at a sitter that is 2 miles from the range seems reasonable to me. Can't take him to the range , they don't make eyes and ears in his size. I can't picture getting charged with anything. But I just want to make sure I am not underestimating the ridiculousness of these conditions.

I live in So. Bergen County. My dad lives in Brick. He is about 2 miles from Brick Armory and Shore Shot. I'm am home with an 8 month old all day..other two kids are in school , the earliest anyone gets home is 3pm. My dad tells me he will gladly sit with his 8 month old grandson for an hour or two while I get some range time in at either of those places. Now the question..reasonable deviation. Would everyone here be comfortable with driving to a sitter , dropping the baby , driving two miles or so to the range , then back to visit with dad for a while and have some lunch and stuff before heading in home in time to meet the school bus . I have an SUV so anything in the back is all over the road if I God forbid get rear ended or anything. So , mom with a baby in the car , minor rear ending , a Colt .45 , A mini 14 , and a Model 60 are scattered across Rt 70. I am definitely off course from BA or SS at my dad's ( it is about a 2 or 3 mile deviation), in regards to my way home.All stuff is NJ legal , and I would probably carry FID card and copies of the 2 pistol permits even though not required. Can't hurt. Are the police making anything of it , should I not worry about and assume that dropping the baby off at a sitter on my way to an approved activity with my handguns qualifies as " as is necessary to perform activity blah blah blah" Can't believe I even have to wonder about this :/

How do you know it was an officer calling you? From your account of the conversation , He never answered your " who is calling" question. The whole thing sounds a little off. Sure it wasn't a friend playing a joke or something?

Yes , the commercial featured all the kids rolling up their pants in preparation for the large grape soda flood coming down the street

He pointed a finger and burped the word "gun" ? Personally I do not think I would give that any attention from a disciplinary standpoint. Well , maybe I would say something about burping at meals then secretly laugh and wonder why he only burped a three letter word. When I was 7 I easily could have burped a 4 syllable word if I had gulped enough Knee Hi ( remember that drink?) Wow , times have really changed . I remember all the boys in grade school chanting "here's my rifle , here's my gun , one is for killing and one is for fun" The one "for fun" was an obscene crotch grab. But , that was 5th or 6th grade or so in 1980. Kid's obsessive sense of humor for things like sex and guns is not a new thing at all , despite what the anti violence campaign people would have you think. School shootings by children have always occurred. High profile cases like Columbine with a large amount of victims got people's attention going , understandably. Funny , school shooting have escalated through the 2000's despite the very proactive anti gun campaigns in school. Now of course , guns have no place in school , but efforts to vilify the very word ( i.e , a note home for burping it , and not being allowed to portray a soldier on Halloween) and efforts to squash to notion that responsible gun ownership can exist , have done absolutely nothing to stop the violence. Hmmm.

Did not know that ! It does seem to be a common misconception in that case. I have heard so many times that juve records are inaccessible by typical background checks unless it is was an index crime . Sorry for spreading the misinformation.

As of this week ( and it is going to change soon)we never have our firearms in plain view of our 5 1/2 year old. For right now. Why ? I am afraid she will say what is that , I will have to tell her , and then she will mention it in school and it will cause issues. I have ZERO problems telling a teacher that gun ownership and shooting is a family hobby and all our guns are kept safely and that our children will be allowed to participate if they are interested , thank you very much. Unfortunately though , I feel it will be my daughter who will have to pay the price of that particular battle when her friends are not allowed over our house or something. Then , that video of the father blasting his daughter's laptop with his gun was circulating. And I was shocked to see the overwhelming amount of approval by the parents in our community. Nobody mentioned anything about keeping guns . I was stunned , and a bit relieved. A few other moms I knew also reacted positively to the woman who shot the home invaders in Oklahoma..they mentioned maybe wanting to arm themselves as well. Nobody here in this small liberal town mentioned the mixture of kids in the house and guns in either story. I was pretty surprised and glad. Maybe times are changing ? That would be nice. Maybe they are finally realizing that the gun laws do zero for the crime rate . I plan to enroll my daughter in the next NRA class for ages 5 to 8 ( they ran one a few months ago ) . She 'll be getting a .22 rifle if she is interested...maybe as early as next year. I guess I'll just have to deal with any fallout. After she does her safety and intro course I will not be hiding anything from her.Ultimately having to hide it from her so that she does not say anything in school is just wrong. We're allowed to have guns in the family , period. See my siggy pic? That is how my 3 year old dressed for Halloween , and he went to PreK like that. Now , common sense ( or sensitivity to current issues) I did not send him in with the toy gun. But , his plastic bullet belt and plastic bullets were taken off him when he got to class. They sent them home with a note highlighting the school's toy gun policy which basically said no toy guns ( understood) , but also said no toy bullets , holsters , grenades , etc. Oops.I can understand them not wanting a toy gun..but the ammo belt was banned because of what it represented. That kind of annoyed me..I dressed him as a soldier. We have a lot of young men in town that are in Iraq and Afghanistan right now. I dressed him as a soldier because I respect soldiers . I don't know , and truth is I am not sure how I am going to handle things going forward. Even thought the circle of mothers I know were not all anti gun over recent high profile cases , they still forbid their children to play with any kinds of toy weapons . I don't have a love of toy guns either , though I do not ban them ( obviously- I got one for my sons costume). Quite frankly I would rather see them use their imagination and their finger or a stick as their gun..mostly because I want them to have noting but respect for the real thing which in my house the intro will come early and safely. I do think it is funny when anti gun parents ban any toy guns , gun talk , or anything like that in the house , then are confused when their little boys make guns out of sticks or kitchen utensils . Boys in particular like to play guns. In OP's case , I would go in and talk to the teacher , find out exactly what my son said , and politely set things straight if need be. If my son did say something inappropriate like " I'll get my gun " or something like I would have a talk with him about gun ownership responsibility and about setting good examples as gun owners in how we conduct ourselves. I think your average kid will need a reminder talk here and there. Good luck , hope it goes smoothly for you!

My Colt .45 Combat Elite had issues with 1 of 3 10 rd mags I had purchased . It is fine with the other mags . It FTFs with the one mag. Glad I figured that out during training. Aside from that , it had 1 FTE . I have shot about 1k rounds through it , I am the 3rd owner of the gun. It is going to the gunsmith for a little work , since when I handle it well and do not ride the recoil it ejects right into my forehead/eye protection. .So it needs a bit of shaping up. It is not fun coming home with lead circles all over my forehead , plus , a shell to the eye during a situation in home would not be helpful. I have not shot it enough to give a fully formed opinion it , but I will be doing a bit more round heavy training with it in the coming months ( especially since I just used P2P # 2 on a nice revolver) . For my next gun ,I like the CZ 75 .40..my husband has one and I can just shoot that thing correctly and accurately each and every time . Anyway , plenty told me they have never had a 1911 make it through a training , and , honestly , my gun was the only one that had an issue in the class With the magazine finicky-ness known to me know ( just bought some McCormicks as directed) we'll see how it does in the next few training classes I do . As for the guy in the video .. I don't have the experience to agree with him or not , but he certainly believes what he is saying. His resume sounds lengthy so I'm sure he is basing his opinion on his own experience ((shrug)) . I can deal with the tool-ish shirt , since it is on a guy with a pretty decent build ( plus I am into MMA. Hate Ed Hardy shirts though) . Admit it men , if a hot girl was wearing a tight fitting Ed Hardy or Tapout shirt would you live with it

I have never been told by LE to not resist. They don't even teach the kids to do that when The Center For Missing and Exploited Children do their school tours. They tell them to kick scream fight bite no matter WHAT . I've taken several rape and violent crime prevention courses ( over the last few decades ) , they are always giving them on college campuses for female students and such. I have never ever been told to let someone lead you somewhere under threat. Always better to fight. Actually , the only time I have seen kidnap strategy advice to the contrary is in hostile areas in other countries , i.e political reasons. You're worth more alive type situations. If someone wants you off the street and someplace of their choosing , they want to do things they can't do in plain sight. If you resist and they shoot you , they probably were going to dispose of you anyway. If they don't shoot you and run away because they want an easier target , even better. There are plenty of stats and "well knowns" when it comes to scenario training that can't be quickly popped up on a google graph. Just handed down info from the people who deal with it daily and clean up the messes. I will see if I can find anything for you that is not a self defense school ad..after the kids go to bed I'll see if I can any hard stats. Like I said , once someone is killed or raped it gets indexed as such ..so it really is kind of hard to find actual numbers since the topic of kidnappings are kind of muddled.

Statistical outcomes of abductions are not published clearly because of the way they are indexed.Abductions are often lumped together ..parental , human trafficking ( which is why AZ has the highest rate in the country) , strangers abducting children , ransoms .. lumped together. A woman who is raped and killed will not go into the FBI crime files as a kidnapping victim. It will be a homicide . They don't make the distinction that she was kidnapped first then killed. You would have to read the article to get the full story from it's beginning. That rate of grievous harm coming to a victim moved to a secondary location is cited very often by law enforcement giving self defense courses , as well as by several rape intervention programs. It is prevailing advice , coming from people who investigate the homicides. Not everything is set in stone or verifiable by Professor Google. I'm sure if you look up " don't go to a secondary location " you'll find pages of instructors , self defense programs , etc that teach it , and not because it is an urban myth . I'll see if I can find something online later for you though ( something that is not a self defense program ) .

Well , could not find anything specif to what I have been taught in self defense classes ( regarding the lower than you would think fatality rates of gun shots ) ..but I found this article and thought it was interesting . In regards to officers who won gun fights ( under the close encounters section) : "One of the most interesting was the distances involved. While the FBI statistics show distances as being around ten feet, the PMA study showed the average distance being more like twenty. This makes sense, as distance will favor the person with the most training. This relates directly back to awareness as the sooner you see trouble coming, the more time you have to prepare for war. The PMA study also shows that the hit ratio per encounter was closer to 62 percent instead of the often-reported 18 percent " So the article claims 62% success rate at distances over 10 feet , and 18 % close encounter distance. It was the only recent publication online I could find about the success rate of a gun shot in an altercation. I have heard less than 50 % from just about every course I have taken ..hence the prevailing advice to women and children in particular ..you are better off risking the gun shot than complying and being moved against your will. Interesting read if nothing else. Sorry if it is only indirectly related to the original topic http://www.handgunsm...ppens_gunfight/

could not really find too much online , except this and it is old..but still shows a low percentage of death from center mass type shots. To get the full scope of it you would need to find some data on how often someone gets off a head shot in a close personal struggle ..center mass shots if you are wrestling a gun would probably be more common? http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/1997/02/knives-00006.php and here is a newer one , though wiki answers is not my usual go to http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_percentage_of_guns_wounds_are_fatal That you are toast if you allow someone to take you to a secondary location is a well know stat. Like I said , all stuff i have been taught across the board in a few self defense classes. Better to fight and get shot that to comply and get into the car/building/alley , etc. And hey , CC is absolutely no guarantee your gun won't get grabbed either. Train in disarms and self defense and close quarter combat in addition to carrying and learning to shoot, IMO.

Well , that is kind of my point. For people who open carry..how much training have you done? Being proficient at open carry goes so far way beyond how good of a draw you are. I guess my point is if you are going to show your hand and use it as a deterrent ( and it is a good deterrent admittedly) IMO you should be doing some close quarter combat and gun disarm training to compliment your style , that way you're covered if someone wants your gun or your life, not just your wallet. Especially if you are going to be walking around someplace where open carry is not commonplace. If someone walked down Spring St in Newark with a gun on their hip , they would have a crowd following them , curious , unafraid , asking them what's up with that along with a few other questions. It would not scare them..heck it would make you a fun to mess with magnet. For certain crimes in certain areas it would work as a deterrent , other areas it would make you a target. Not really disagreeing with anyone who says OC is a deterrent because I agree it can be. Just throwing out some other angles there for the purpose of considering all possibilities. Educational materials from a few different weapon disarming courses . I will see what I can come up with online though , after PSEG finishes fixing our stove

There is so much training out there in self defense courses on techniques to stuff an attempted draw. There is also the fact that the prevailing advice due to cold hard statistics is that you are way more likely to live if you wrestle and fight someone with a gun and get shot , then you are if you allow yourself to be controlled by a gun ( or knife) and be moved to a secondary location. You are less than 50% likely to die from a handgun shot during a close struggle , you are 95% likely to die if you comply and get in the car or go with the BG anywhere. What does this mean to me? It means it is hard to neutralize someone who is fighting for your gun with their hands all over you. Does not matter if you are attacking with a gun or defending yourself with a gun. Hands on you and your gun during a struggle = bad. Hence , if I am the one WITH the gun , I don't want to be in a struggle with someone's hands all over it. I would rather wait until I had the opportunity to get off a planned shot. Perhaps after being forced into the back of a car , or being forced or moved over in my own car in a car jacking. On the other hand , for a stick up variety of offense , I can see an open carry being a deterrent , much like walking a large dog. Personally , I'm more concerned about violent intent type crimes such as rape or abduction , as a woman. From my perspective , for myself , element of surprise would be the safest route in an attempt to save my life. Having someone bigger and stronger come up behind me or even get right in my face,and clamp a hand on my holster , is putting me at a big disadvantage, I think you should be allowed to carry how ever you want. I would say though regardless of how you carry , train , train , and then train some more. If you feel confident showing it up front with an open carry , get a red gun , put your holster on , grab a buddy , and run some drills. People get in your face real quick , so practice drawing and firing while having someone push you around , have them try to take your gun out of your holster , etc. See how it goes and see what you would do differently , shooting from your back and stuff , figure out some techniques before you are in a twisting match over your own firearm. Take some classes on disarms. You can learn a lot about preventing disarms by training to do disarms. These things go both ways. ( and I am not talking about anyone in particular on this thread , I am talking about the collective "you") I've done extensive gun disarming training ( which is what led me to training and now owning guns , felt the next logical step was learning how to handle what I was attempting to pull away from someone) , self defense courses , and such. Personally I think anyone who is going to use a gun for self defense should train in both shooting and disarming ..because in a crime situation getting into a struggle with your gun is a probability . Unless you shoot someone from over 7 or 8 feet away , which that in itself will come with it's own problems and 'splaining to do .