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HA!

Well trained and well funded? Someone should have told General Washington that... him and his rag-tag group of shoeless and jacketless soldiers wintering at Jockey Hollow and Valley Forge. They did eventually become well-trained, thanks to Baron von Steuben, but were NEVER well-funded... lest we forget the mutiny that was stopped by Washington, and the Pennsylvania Mutiny of 1873: ( both BECAUSE the soldiers could not get paid): http://www.earlyamer.../wshngton.html/ http://en.wikipedia...._Mutiny_of_1783

Totally. Just ask Lieutenant Colonel Francis Smith.

Again- in case you didn't understand my whole point: voting tax consumers and low-information voters outnumber tax payers and high information voters. There's no other possible reason. And AGAIN- if dems outnumber repubs, it's for the exact same reasons I have already stated- these are all the same people.

It's not just about welfare. Social security. Obamacare. Unemployment. Disability. Medicare/Medicaid. People want stuff, and they don't want to pay for it. As Margaret Thatcher said, (I paraphrase) "socialism works great until you run out of other people's money." There are more uninformed voters who think the "government pays" for all this stuff than there are those who actually pay for it. it's the only explanation. And if you think another explanation could be that people actually agree with Lautenberg's policies, please see previous sentences. Because it's the same people.

Yes yes- the "3D printer" conspiracy. I know it's real, but at this point in time I don't think it's real FEASIBLE, at least not en masse. Maybe someday people will be making black market rifles in their basements with 3D printers and selling them for $5000, I'd really like those days to NOT arrive...

In the state of NJ, the number of VOTING tax consumers DOES outnumber the VOTING tax payers. You might add low-information voters (the ones who always vote for the incumbent, or the ones who watch CNN), and there you have it.

So-called "social programs"... when the tax CONSUMERS outnumber the tax PAYERS, it's over.

Amen.

Yes sir.

The Mary Jane analogy is at least partially flawed: after the gub'ment takes my guns, I can't GROW MORE in the woods behind my house...

Great tip. Thanks.

They can if they use nukes. I wonder if the SHTF for them, I wonder if they ever would? ( SHTF = total annihilation if they dont)

Hey, at least they voted for the lesser of the 2 evils in 2012 (Romney).

TEXAS has the balls to put one up like that VA one! lol

Wow. Time to HOME SCHOOL. (don't worry, they'll pass a bill outlawing that next.) The shit is getting increasingly closer to the fan here with increasing speed since Herr Obama re-appointed himself was re-elected.

Wasn't trying to be a smart ass. Not at all. I was being dead serious. Just look at history to find out all about totalitarian governments, they were/are all over history. And yes- we are dangerously close to it, with the recent NY state gun law being proof.

Does this REALLY surprise anyone? If you've been paying attention (politically) for the last 10-20 years it should come as SOP.

Totalitarian control. Power corrupts absolutely. My God man, study a little history! It's been the nature of government since time began. With the 20th Century being particularly spellbinding on this topic.

That's been the plan all along. How else to declare marshall law? Go ahead with the "tin foil hat" accusations, but this society, at some point, became re-designed to FAIL. ON PURPOSE. People have seen it coming for generations, maybe it will be ours who unfortunately get to witness it?

To be clear, I'm not saying to ignore all legislative/grass roots efforts, and sit in your front yard in your underwear with a sawed-off 870 on your lap flying a Come and Take Them flag. Of course we need to rally, and contact reps, and..and...and... ...and what if none of that works? What if they pass a bill (since we're being hypothetical here, altho it isn't hypothetical in NY state now, is it?), that all "assault rifles" on the list are banned, and you will be a criminal if you don't get rid of them in x days... you going to get rid of them? This is where the "come and take them" comes into play. Non-compliance with an unconstitutional law, and it has to be the gun owing public EN MASSE. Alot of people when talking "worst case" aren't really talking about gunplay, as that is to be avoided. They are talking about non-compliance. And the various "schemes" thereof to "defend" against it.

Here's another take... Matt Bracken... this scenario revolves around the fiscal collapse and civil unrest following... I could easily see the military being called in to "deal with" this scenario, much like they were in Katrina, and weapons confiscation being a part of that, just like it was in Katrina... Bracken article: http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2012/09/03/bracken-when-the-music-stops-how-americas-cities-may-explode-in-violence/ What happened with Katrina:

imo, attempted confiscation... (and not just the passing of the law, but the actual attempted confiscation itself) of all semi-automatic weapons, which are the only weapons feasible at this point in history to defend and exercise 2A. At first, the LEOs would be doing it, then when they start getting in firefights, that'll be reason enough to declare marshall law and call in the military. Scary shit. God forbid it ever happens. I predict we would have hugely conflicting emotions and resulting actions from BOTH sides, much like in the civil war, where brother fought brother.

The first is a matter of opinion, everyone thinks they are Nostradamus, but only time will tell the tale. The second isn't how it would go down anyway, imo. Yes- individual confiscations are one thing. But enough of those will happen where some WILL start standing up, and the media will brand them as "domestic terrorists", but most of US will also know that's BS... enough people will start getting killed (on both sides of the equation) that the confiscation idea will be...reconsidered. I don't claim to be Nostradamus either, and that is just my opinion of how it would go down. Mass, widespread confiscation couldn't be done w/o the US military, there simply aren't enough LEOs to do the job. And none of this even touches the complication of people having "sold" or "lost" their weapons. More manpower needed, not available. It also doesn't touch the complication of the LEOs who have already stated they will not comply with confiscation (as well as all those who HAVENT stated it yet, and won't publicly.) To those who think the govt will simply call in the NG and steamroll over us, en masse, I submit you have a far too-simplistic view of the subject at hand. I'll say it again- the greatest thing about 2A isn't that we WILL have this...thing...happen, it's the THREAT of us BEING ABLE TO DO IT that keeps it from happening. Take away our ability to maintain the threat (by leaving us with shotguns and bolt actions), and the threat itself becomes null and void. And taking away 2A, bit by bit, is what has been happening since 1837 (see below), which is why we must not give ONE MORE INCH. But do what you want- move- they'll get to you eventually. ANd eventually, you'll have a decision to make. Unless you're lucky enough to die first, then you'll leave that terrible decision to your (and everyone's) children. 1837 Georgia passes a law banning handguns. The law is ruled unconstitutional and thrown out.

You inferred that an actual exercise of 2A rights is "not reality", did you not? So, OK... You gonna' resist when the time comes? Or you gonna' hide 'em? Or you gonna' hand 'em over and hope for the best? That'll tell me all I need to know. Actually, don't answer that. PM me if you want.