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+1, especially to the part I highlighted in red.

Depends on what BidenStein comes up with.....

Nice visualization. lol SO- let say IF a complete semi-auto ban came down the pike (and I don't think that's going to happen), and it somehow passes in to law in 2013, do we jump ballot box and go right to cartridge box? Where is the line of liberty we are not willing to cross?

And when that doesn't work? "Liberty, once lost, is lost forever" -John Adams 1775

Nice response. He's a modern-day Patrick Henry. Who the press will try to crucify. But I'm with him on this one.

While I agree with his passion and commitment to 2A... this is NOT HELPING, because the media will have a field day with this. Altho I wonder if he's just saying out loud what alot of 2A defenders are really thinking... and are willing to do if the SHTF

Just another ignorant politician. But they are who get elected, because the populace at large is ignorant. And dependnent. I'm telling you- the only way to really change this country is to start electing the right people, but I don't see that happening. The threat of revolution will be all we have to keep the govt in check, because the vote no longer has the power to do it.

Done.

Yup. But I don't have the $$ for it right now (just bad timing, I just bought a bunch of other stuff in the last 6 months), but I heard the powder is hard to get in NJ? Where do you guys get it from?

+1 lol

I'm starting to think maybe we should ADVERTISE we have weapons inside... at all the entrys, put a flag up in the yard,.... my money is on the criminals DON'T come in. (and have everything in a big, fat, secured, safe so if they do come in, they don't get the guns. Put up these:

Evidence? What I heard was, the white house requested they come to the "talks", Wal-Mart at first declined, then later reneged, which means they were coerced. Has WM agreed to some sort of 2A limitation?

Well, if it's federal, it'll be worse for EVERYBODY, not just NJ...

Sounds great! But you'll never get a port at the range...lol

As bad as NJ is, it's still not as bad as CA.... in alot of ways, not just firearms laws. If there were a Sodom and Gomorrah in America, or perhaps a "france" lol, California is it.

Not. Another. Inch. I don't care what Barry Soetoro OR Barack Hussein Obama has to say about it. It's a damned un-infringeable right. "shall NOT be infringed"/ infringe: to act as so to LIMIT, undermine, or encroach upon [hmm... I think it's safe to say every single gun control law on the books fits the definition of "limiting" the 2A right]

I guess we're just gonna have to wait and see what the outcome is.... to find out if Jefferson was right. One difference between Obamacare and 2A tho: nobody was going to shoot a politican or a LEO over Obamacare.

hang on, I have something here..... 12 gauge, 00 buck... cylinder bore (no choke)

Not new. They have been since the beginning... what else would you expect from a couple of hippies?

Ok, listen... This happens a lot on this forum... Just because someone THINKS, from many years of political observation, that an anti-gun law WILL be passed does NOT mean anyone has given up, does NOT mean we haven't contacted our representatives. What it means is, we believe corrupt politicians will act corruptly, regardless of what the constitution or the people say. Is that difficult to believe? Stop jumping to conclusions because we're realists that we have given up or aren't involved in this fight.

Amen. But that's not going to happen either.

And yet they are attempting to do exactly the same thing. The libs say health care is a RIGHT (it isn't), and owning a firearm ISN'T (it is.). They just do and say whatever they want. Overwhelming public pressure usually works, but even tho a MINORITY of America wanted Obamacare, it passed. So how do you think it's going to play out (especially in NJ), if a MINORITY of people want 2A to remain at least an un-infringed as it currently is?

Nobody's giving up, braveheart. But, just like Obamacare, sometimes the govt passes something DESPITE what it's citizens think about it... I'm sure you've heard of that phenomenon.

Man, I just wish I had the cash to pay for some of the price-gouging ammo so I could stock up (I just spent all my $$ on several guns and a safe and ammo)... because I think the mag capacity and online ammo purchase ban will pass... that'll be what is "compromised" on. And CCW in NJ? You can forget it (now).

Damn, that's a friggin' HUGE list...