Howard

Could you explain limp wristing, I am not familiar as to what that means. I don't think it was a grip issue, as I shot about the best I have ever done. 90+% of my shots were within a 4" circle and the one where I had the first problem was dead center on the target.

Was at the range this morning and rented a Kimber 1911 9mm and they had Fiocchi 9mm rounds. The box said 9AP 115 grain full metal jacket. I liked the feel of the gun and actually shot very well with it, but as a new shooter I just about crapped my pants as I have never had feed or ejection problems until now. The first was an ejection problem where after the shot the slide stayed open and the round to be ejected was still have way in the chamber jambed against the incoming round. The range officer came out and cleared it for me. Then I had two feed jambs later on. Was this most likely the weapon or is it more likely the Ammo?

Sure would be a BIG one if Glock did this!

I spend some time with the owner of the range and decided to go with the G22. I'm going to get a 9mm conversion for it to, although from what I can see online it seems to be a lot easier to find .40 cal ammo these days than 9mm.

I understand that some of these laws should not apply to LEO's BUT retired LEO's and political hacks is an entirely different story. How can such things pass muster with the courts.

Must be nice to be in a business where your product is sold before it even goes into inventory Who said the economy is bad.

So, is a factory reload "safe", what if any problem has anyone had with this stuff?

Don't know that they have "Plenty" but they have some. I picked up a G22 Gen4 there on Monday and they only had one left with no idea when or if they will get more.

Current chief in Randolph in Robert Mason. The woman that does all the paper work, Kathy, is great to deal with.

Excellent. Sounds very similar to the one I wrote in another thread: Alcohol and drunk driving are a much more serious problem in NJ than legal guns. We should probably ban all sales of alcohol to anyone with a driver's license. Those people without licenses shall be allowed to purchase one bottle of wine 750ml or smaller each month or one six pack of beer with containers no more than 12 oz each month. There should be no sales allowed of any alcohol with a concentration over 15%, no exceptions as these high capacity beverages cause more harm. Anyone allowing a licensed driver to consume alcohol will be guilty of a crime punishable by up to one year in jail. Yes the above makes more sense than most proposed new gun restrictions if we are really just trying to save lives.

Shoot both the 17 and 19 and see which one feels better in your hand. Assuming you are not looking to carry it, you don't need a small size. I was in the same boat and ended up going with a G22 (.40 cal) with a 9mm conversion barrel so I could use both 9mm and .40cal.

If I answered that way my friend would be shit out of luck. I guess my out is it does say "To the best of your knowledge"

Are the reference questions the same everywhere, or do they vary by town. I never saw what anyone had to fill out for me, but I got one today for a friend and was kind of surprised. The letter I got from the local police stated that "The above applicant has provided us with your name as a reference. Under the NJ Firearms and Weapons Laws, Chapters 39 and 58 respectively, we are required to investigate the applicant. Please answer the following questions. Once you have completed answering the questions to the best of your ability and knowledge, please sign this page at the bottom and return it promptly." Here are the five questions: 1.) Number of years you have known the applicant ___________ 2.) Has the applicant ever been arrested or convicted of a crime? ________ 3.) Is or has this applicant ever been addicted to alcohol or narcotics? _________ 4.) Does the applicant suffer from a physical defect or sickness which would make it unsafe for him / her to handle a firearm? _________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________________ 5.) Personal opinions / comments regarding the applicant. __________________________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________________________. I guess I was very surprised with what they ask. I have no problems with items 1 and 5, but the others? I mean I thought they run checks for this stuff. How the heck am I supposed to know if someone was ever arrested before I knew them? Heck sometimes spouses are drug or alcoholics without the other spouse knowing. As for defects or sicknesses I am not a doctor. I mean I like the guy and said no to 2,3, & 4 which is true to the best of my knowledge - but how do I really know. Seems kind of silly to ask these things, isn't that what the background and mental health check the state does is about. Is this a standard form, or does each town do stuff differently?

I just paid $5 for my FID, $2 for each Pistol permit and something like $58 for finger prints in Randolph NJ. While the private company that does the prints makes some money here, the other fees probably don't even come close to covering costs to do this.

Go for it, I was just trying to think up some rules that are just as stupid as some of the gun control ideas the anti's are coming up with. Maybe some of them will realize it if we put it in terms they can relate to.

Alcohol and drunk driving are a much more serious problem in NJ than legal guns. We should probably ban all sales of alcohol to anyone with a driver's license. Those people without licenses shall be allowed to purchase one bottle of wine 750ml or smaller each month or one six pack of beer with containers no more than 12 oz each month. There should be no sales allowed of any alcohol with a concentration over 15%, no exceptions as these high capacity beverages cause more harm. Anyone allowing a licensed driver to consume alcohol will be guilty of a crime punishable by up to one year in jail. Yes the above makes more sense than most proposed new gun restrictions if we are really just trying to save lives.

Well when my parents bought their house in NY in 1970 the local cops came by to say hello. They said in the event of a home robbery feel free to shot the guy in your house, but before you call us please be sure to put a knife or other weapon in his hand so that there are no misunderstandings

Yup, but it is OK to have a knife or a sword in your left hand while holding the gun in your right hand

Good point. This was presented as is and are not my ideas or approach, I agree with your comment.

Good, that is why I posted it. I loved one of the comments someone made: "This just in. Ruger is coming out with a new pistol in honor of Obama. It will be called the "Union Worker." It doesn't work and you can't fire it."

The following was in the online blog http://bridgewater.patch.com/blog_posts/purchasing-a-firearm-in-nj#comments_list and is a great primer to send to all your friends and politicians that are anti-gun and probably have no clue what restrictions we already face: I have been listening and participating in the Gun debate ever since it started and decided to write this little article after encountering many people who do not understand the gun laws in the state of New Jersey. Most people I spoke with seemed to think that anybody could simply walk into a gun store in NJ and purchase a firearm! Some people understand that there is some sort of control governing that process but not sure of what it entails. Here is a step by step break down of the process every NJ resident has to follow in order to be eligible to purchase a firearm: 1-You must apply for a "Firearm ID card" which you will need every time you purchase a firearm. In order to do so you will need to obtain an application package from your local "Township or Police station" 2-The application contains multiple forms that all must be completed "but not signed" before being submitted. 3-Each applicant must fill the forms and agree to a background check of his/her MENTAL RECORDS. 4-Each applicant must be finger printed and his prints sent to the FBI for approval. 5-Each applicant must provide the names and addresses of two acquaintances that could vouch for his/her character "Both will be contacted by the police and asked to fill a questioner about the character of the applicant. 6-Each applicant must provide his/her work contacts and "usually" the police contacts his/her supervisor and inform them about the applicant's intentions to purchase a firearm and inquire about his/her character. 7-Once all forms had been filled; they need to be signed before the person whom handles this process at your town/police department. 8-It, usually, takes anywhere between one month up to one year before you get a response back. 9-The Firearm ID card "Once issued" is valid only for purchasing "LONG" Firearms such as: rifles and shotguns. 10-Each time you need to purchase a firearm from a gun store you need to fill another application at the store and they will contact the "NICS" (which stands for the National Instant Criminal Background Check System) and charge you $15 for the process and wait to be approved for the purchase. Basically going over the process once again! 11-When purchasing a handgun, a person must apply for a separate permit for each handgun "Going through the original process each time" 12-Each handgun permit is valid for only one hand gun purchase and valid for 90 days and could, only, be renewed for another 90 days. 13-In the State of NJ residents can purchase one handgun per month only unless they obtain a special permit from the authorities. 14-A handgun permit is made up of 4 copies and upon the purchase of a hand gun the seller is responsible to sending one copy to the issuing authority. The above is the process for purchasing firearms in the state in NJ. We are considered one of the strictest states in the country when it comes to Firearms. Those people that seek to impose more restrictions need to educate themselves firsthand before demanding even more regulations that basically are already in place. I find it very interesting that the majority of those who seek to impose bans on firearms do not own any guns or even had ever fired one. It would be as if I advocate the banning of Minivans even though I do not own one, never driven one and don't know much about them in the first place. We do not have to be so radical about each side of the issue. I believe that we could work together for the protection of both innocent people and the second Amendment. But we need to educate ourselves first and be reasonable at all times.

I live in the higher part of the state, Morris County, and just got mine in exactly four weeks from the day I did the paperwork. It was actually just two weeks from the time my references were submitted.

Glad to hear you had such great luck. I sent the chief in my town an e-mail thanking him for the prompt professional handling and praising the woman who handled the paperwork.

Got the same e-mail today. Canned spam

Yes, but you can (in most towns) extend them another 90 days. I asked about that and was told I could extend them for the full 180 days allowed right then and there - did that for three of them, can't imagine not using at least one right away.