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Besides the obvious tragedy, this is just perfect fodder for the antis. One life lost,another life ruined, and more BS to come.

I am also a member there and have nothing but good things to say about them. The last time there a couple of the range officers brought over a couple of brand new rental guns to the stations where my wife and I were and let us swap around. We go Monday mornings and it is great. Also, I haven't beat their ammo prices anywhere yet, altho I wish they didn't have to limit 22lr to use on their range only but I sure do understand that.

Does Home Depot or any decent hardware store near you have thin steel rods? The ones near me do, Or maybe you can find a welding rod that would fit into the casing from the muzzle end. Maybe they wouldnt bend when you tap on them, Otherwise, i'd core out the botom of the shell with a dremel and then crimp it in with that small screw driver you mentioned, Actually, I wouldnt use a dremel, but then I have access to high speed, angled head 'drills'.

That was actually the topic of the thread where I found this. There were 12 pages of which about 9 were devoted to him with complaints. the general consensus was that you got very lucky to get your parts in that length of time if at all.

Since I posted a thread on buying a Sig P226 Classic in 22lr, I have been looking around for a way to ensure that the slide stays back after the last round to avoid potentially damaging dry fires. You can count shots obviously, but she wont as it's not in her nature. You can load a snap cap so it is the last round of every mag, but that doesn't appeal if there could be a better solution. And, you can order some parts from Jeff at Sigpower, but not ever get them as he has developed issues that are speculated about on any number of forums. So, I looked around quite a bit and think, or hope, I found the solutionin a thread on sigforum. I think there are others who might like this so here's borrowed and modified formula as peformed by me last night. Buy the Blackdog Magazine Rebuild kit (Brownell's SKU# 100-004-087) that is for rebuilding AR 15-22 mags at Browenells or direct from Blackdog Machine. I's a big $7.99 for three plastic followers, mag plugs, and springs and Brownells gets it to you fast. Take the stock mag apart by depressing the button on the bottom and sliding the end plate off. This was the hardest step as they are really tight fitting and it's hard to tap it off as the lip is so small, but it's still not a big issue with a little persistence. Be careful as the plug is spring loadedbut it's at the tail end of the piece so it's easy to avoid launching parts. Take the new follower and grind or file its top surface to match the angle of the stock follower. Then shave the sides of the piece that the spring goes around so that it slides the length of the mag without binding or my mod which is to take a 3/8 drill bit and by hand hone out the slot where the spring will reside. This will allow you to use one of the new springs if you desire, although you will need to cut it. According to the sigforum you don't have to use a new spring if you don't want, So, I didn't. If you want a little more mag capacity, use their mag plug or us it and shorten it a bit for even more. I shortened the stock plug and cut a new lip in it solely because I'm anal and didn't like the tiny red button showing at the bottom when done, but either way, you will be able to load 14 rounds now. Reassemble, and you are done. I haven't shot the gun with these mags yet but if you looke at the pictures it looks like a slam dunk. We're going to be away for a little bit so it may be two weeks before I can confirm the results. I took pictures to detail the process. I can email pics to anyone who didn't follow the above.

Vlad, I agree with your central points here 100%. However in the current climate in this part of the country, it is impossible to discuss guns without some political issues coming forward on occasion. And, I realize you are well aware of that and tolerent of it to a very reasonable degree. Unfortunately, there are a great number of people who cannot seem to listen to other people's opinion and discuss it without devolving into insulting tone if it doesn't agree with their own. That's too bad because there are many intelligent views being expressed here that often cause me to at least examine things in ways I had not considered before. Also, it's too bad that intelligent threads frequently veer off into unrelated areas. While I am rather new here, I however quickly learned to hold back on expressing my own ideas as a general rule because of that bitter, insulting, bickering tone you referred to above. So, what am I saying here? One, I agree it is a gun forum and since as you say it is privately run, the owners have a right to have it be whatever they desire it to be. Two, it would be a shame if we can't include some rational discussion of gun issues beyond just the technical or what do you like aspects of ownership. Three, it is a shame that people cannot discuss rather than argue, as the former is constructive while the latter merely closes minds and eyes while dividing us through resenment. As for the innocuous silly threads, I don't read them but they don't bother me at all. At least they don't always veer off into anger.

Maybe accidentally.

You are reading it wrong. I'm saying that for me, right now when I go to the range, I will try not to give anyone the excuse to hassle me. For me. Since you asked, I did unload my mags for transport because they are in the same bag, (different compartment) as my pistol. I do carry them locked in the truck and my ammo is in a seperate compartment of my same bag as the pistol is in to make it more difficult for a judge to reinterpert the law against me if it came to that. As for Shawn Moore, he had every right to post that pic, what did that get him?

CZ SP-01 Shadow Sig Sauer P226 9mm X-Change conversion kit

This can be applied to many, many of the threads that appear over and over on the forum. A lot of them boil down to whether of not to risk being hassled regardless of being within the letter of the law (as in legal to carry loaded mags, legal to stop at a restaurant after the range, locked gun bag, answering a LEO with 'yes, there is a gun in the car', etc., etc., etc. It often boils down acceptable risk regardless of right or wrong, doesn't it? Yeah, NJ and lots of other places is a pain at times, and you SHOULD be fine when you are legal, but is it worth it to you to go through the process if you are unlucky enough to get an officer who, for whatever reason, gets you into the bigger system with an incorrect arrest, confiscation or other. Many years ago, I lived in DC during the time of the peace demonstrations and Vietnam. Those demonstrations brought all kinds of outsiders to DC and were great hunting grounds for female companionship for those of us who lived there, and I was young and healthy. Sooo, long story short, I was rounded up on the infamous Nixon 'arrest them all weekend' for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, spent a night in jail, went through the courts several times, and ended up with an expunged arrest. Two years later, while in the Air Force and serving in Thailand which was 'in the zone' at the time, I got a letter from a legal group stating that the government had decided to contest the huge number of expungements from all those illegal arrests, and, at random, my case was one of the test cases being used. Some legal rights group needed my permission to defend me. That was over 40 years ago, and it's something I still remember as a huge pain in the ass. So, for me regardless of the legal fine points, I side with the people on the forum who advise not calling attention to yourself and covering your butt, in all things firearms related in the present social and legal climate. What about you?

I checked this same issue out recently and KevD is on the money. It will be on the Nics in the top right area when you get your gun and your copy.

This may be naive, but what about checking things out by shopping outside NJ and online getting your facts and data or even actually holding your prime candidates and then having a NJ dealer order it for you? You get the best of both worlds: shopping around, which when it's something you like can be kinda fun, narrrowing your choices so you get a more suitable piece, and supporting a NJ dealer. With rifles, you should be able to find a relatively 'local' shop that deals that brand and, here's the naive part, there isn't the huge lack of guns they can get for you like pistols, is there? Just thinking out loud.

You seem to be right about Sigpower. Can't get through to them so far though I will continue to try for a while in the hope he's on vacation or some such. How long ago did you notice the problem with them? It would be too bad if they are out of business or there is some other type of issue there because he got some really good reviews for his stuff, and the products reportedly did the jobs they were supposed to do and solved some minor issues with the gun. None the less a snap cap isn't that big a deal so she can't wait to let 'er rip.

Don't worry, you'll have to wait. They are harder to find than hen's teeth. Meanwhile enjoy, but do check out that Sigpower website for the problem of the slide not locking back after the last round is fired and if you want to up the mag capacity to 15 rounds. As one of the youtube videos on this gun pointed out as the gun comes out of the box, you either have to count the shots or put a snap cap (or wall anchor) in the mag before the actual bullets so that you don't have a dry fire at the end of each mag. Jeff at that site has a $20-30 follower that locks it back after the last round so it will lock. Then, you manually flip the slide lock on before releasing the mag so it stays back while you reload. Also, he had the best price I found for a second mag. By the way which gun config did you get, with or without the beavertail? What do you think of the newer grip type?

Sounds to me like the judge was a bit loaded. Seriously though, there's a disturbing trend in the judicial where judges are using their position to create laws rather than see to their proper enforcement. No body could issue a ruling like that on the basis of fact. He obviously came at it with an anti gun purpose.

Empty chamber, loaded mag IN the pistol, I'd have to agree with him.

Regarding your first question about which cal to buy, I found a range that rents a large variety of different calibers and have been shooting a large number of different guns. Talk about fun research, only Masters and Johnson had a better time. You probably ought to do likewise. As for the Sig conversion kit, I have one on order (they are habitually hard to find) after almost holding off due to the issues I saw online but upon further investigation I found the Sigpower site and the solution to all the negatives for very reasonable money. Check him out.

Bought the wife a Sig Sauer P226 Classic 22lr yesterday and ordered the 9mm X-change kit for it as well. With that combination, she will eventually have two different pistols in effect for the price of the Sig 9mm. We read lot's of review of both guns and the kit, and I think it will end up being a deal that is hard to beat. I took her to the range for here first time only a month ago and she's infected for good. She didn't like the 9 at first so I let her shoot just the 22 for 3 weeks without comment and once she got comfortable with it she was amenable to giving it another go on the 9mm. Just a shot or two the first time, but by the second time out she was enjoying it as much as the 22. By the way she's pretty good on the 22 and progressing on the 9. Hopefully this will turn out to be the best of both worlds. Opinions?

Nirvana doesn't exist! That said, best of luck to you.

We recently had a pro 2nd amendment rally at the county court house here in Warren County. I am pleased to say that there were several higher local level LEO's in attendance among which were the sheriff and my townships chief of police. Both spoke well against the current spate of proposed legislation. Also, the chief has backed his words with action. Both my wife's and my gun license and purchase permits came within the last 3 months and both came in under 3 weeks from the date of application. When I commented about the unexpected speed of processing to the department secretary she told me that the chief makes sure they move along due to his feelings on people's rights. I am glad this thread came along to remind me to write to the department as I had planned to compliment him for his words and his actions. There's good and bad in every profession, and law enforcement is bound to step on some toes at times no matter how well handled. By and large, I think we owe a debt of gratitude to police officers the majority of the time. It would be a tough road without them.

So what am I missing here? What is she trying to reference as the shoulder thing...? Her bra?

Maybe the extra weight of the SP-01 would help with the recoil. If mine ever gets here I'll let you know.

So did you guys hook up?

From the tip of the muzzle to the face of the breech ie if I was to buy a replacement barrel, this is what I'd be replacing.

I don't think we can judge the validity of his message without knowing how the class has been taught up to that point. If we do, we are rushing to judgement without most of the facts. Kind of like the majority of the anti-gun folks. As far as his syntax, they could have been anywhere by the original post. Lots of people consciously or not drift into the language of their surroundings and turn it on and off. If you think everyone who sounds 'inner city' is automatically stupid, you should agree with the people who think everyone who owns a gun is a crazed threat to society.