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  3. Posted

    On 12/19/2023 at 11:41 AM, xXxplosive said:

    So what makes you think all LEO's are pro 2A........

    I don't think it, and never wrote that I did. I'm sure some (probably a minority) are adamantly opposed. I would bet that there are others who favor gun rights only for their buddies and others that they personally approve of. I frequently get the sense that the latter mindset is also true of some civilians who describe themselves as 2A proponents, but who would (openly or secretly) prefer that certain kinds of people of whom they disapprove not be afforded the right to bear arms for self defense. None of them are on NJGF, of course.

    What I was implying with that brief disclosure about Petersen was the question of why, if he is not assigned to the firearms desk, he took it upon himself to attack the validity of my SP182 (signed off by one of his fellow troopers), and reject it on behalf of the station and NJSP.

  4. Posted

    So, I was able to submit my forms at Woodbine NJSP station early yesterday afternoon. Station was minimally staffed, I'm guessing upcoming holidays were a factor. Two troopers came to the desk after I buzzed for admittance, outfitted in tactical gear; I guess they were either drilling, or on their way to or from some exercise. I asked if Dave Petersen was available, they told me he was out for the day. They looked over my forms, then accepted them. I asked if I could have some kind of receipt, the answer was "sorry, no", which is what I expected (doesn't hurt to ask :-) They did tell me that they would put the forms in the firearms officer's in-box with a note asking him to phone me to confirm receipt on his return. After a bit more back-and-forth, it turns out that Petersen is not assigned to the firarms desk there, which makes my encounter with him a few days back seem all the more strange. Anyway, forms are in, so I am now (hopefully) good to go until my 2024 renewal, or until Matt Platkin dreams up some new obstacle course that he will force current PtC holders to navigate...

  5. Posted

    I'm making this a new, top-level post under this topic, because I think that is merited by its importance, given what I posted previously. I had another email exchange with my supplemental qualification instructor, DSM Jamell Rosario, NJSP. Jamell told me that his advice against submitting my documents to the Woodbine NJSP station applied only to me, based on my experience with Trooper Petersen rejecting them. That advice does not apply generally. He did not make that clear in his original phone call to me. It seems that in my effort to clarify by passing on current information, I actually further confused things, and for that, I apologize. In my defense, I will contend the the ultimate source of the confusion is the State of New Jersey, but I am truly sorry for making it worse. Jamell told me that he got Petersen "straightened out" and that I should now submit through Woodbine, which I intend to do ASAP.

  6. Posted

    On 9/29/2023 at 8:54 AM, DirtyDigz said:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/dianne-feinstein-rcna18010

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    Another of the old guard antis has departed us.

    Not just an anti, but a prime deep state enabler and rent seeker extraordinaire (her husband was part of the defense contractor industry, and made big bucks on every conflict that Feinstein enabled). Dianne Feinstein, RIH ("R" for "roast", and "peace" doesn't being with an "H").

  7. Posted

    On 12/15/2023 at 9:05 AM, Mr.Stu said:

    You might want to get that in writing from an official NJSP email address or on headed paper.

    I will contact DSM Rosario to see if he is willing to do that, or can furnish a link to some official NJSP communication that states the required handling of SP182 forms clearly. I think I will wait a couple of days. He plainly wasn't too happy about calling me at 7 AM, although I suispect his displeasure was focused on someone other than me.

  9. Posted

    15 hours ago, Grima Squeakersen said:

    Regarding submitting SP182 to NJSP for NJ PtC requalification.
    I went to Shooters on Tuesday evening, 12/12/2023, to recertify to comply with the CCARE requirements. In my case, my original qualification did not inlcude holster draw. The instructor was Jamell Rosario. The instructor for my original training and qualification in 2022 was Dave Cope (also done at Shooters). I took my completed SP182, signed off by Mr. Rosario, to Woodbine NJSP station this morning to submit it. The trooper on the firearms desk, Dave Peterson, refused to accept it. He gave me two reasons.
    First, he told me that NJSP Firearms Division is regarding the submission of form SP182a (list of firearms intended to be carried, which I did not yet complete) with SP182 as mandatory. I think that's ridiculous, but it is nothing I can't easily deal with.
    The second reason is because the instructor who signed my original certification in 2022, Dave Cope, is not the same instructor who signed my SP182 on 12/12/2023. His reasoning was that SP182 also certifies that use of force training was completed, and Mr. Rosario does not have first-hand knowledge that I did that. Trooper Peterson told me that I would either need to get Mr. Cope to sign my recertification SP182, or get Mr. Rosario to furnish me with a copy of his NRA instructor's certificate to submit with my SP182. Presumably, that leaves Mr. Rosario on the hook for certifying my use of force training as well as my shooting, but that isn't my direct concern. He also told me that I will need to furnish a copy of my original qualfication certification that was signed off my Mr. Cope with my other forms. I have contacted Brielle at Shooters to see if Mr. Rosario will furnish a copy of his NRA instructor credentials to me. Hopefully that will resolve the issue.
    Trooper Peterson claimed to be a 2A supporter (he even claimed that he conducted civilian training classes) but to me, his actions here call that claim into question. How about presuming that, since I do hold a current NJ PtC, that I had successfully completed the use of force training that was required to obtain it (as far as I know, the use of force training requirements have not changed over that period of time)?  If I ever entertained any doubt that there are multiple official forces and actors in NJ government who are looking to see that as few permit holders have the legal right to carry in NJ as they can possibly ensure, by maximizing the number of bureaucratic hoops that must be jumped through, this incident has completely dispelled that.
    Any holder of a current NJ PtC who needs to submit SP182/SP182a to NJSP to meet the additional requirements of CCARE might want to keep my experience in mind.

    UPDATE:

    I sent an email to Jamell Rosario (who was the instructor for my requalification) at 6 AM this morning asking for his assistance in this matter. Mr. Rosario is apparently a NJSP DSG assigned to Firearms Investigation Unit in Trenton, and as such would be eminently qualified in regard to the NJ Permit to Carry requrements. He phoned me at 7:10 AM (unbelievably quick response, imo). He told me that requalifying PtC holders who are NJSP applicants (i.e., no local PD) ARE NOT REQUIRED TO SUBMIT THEIR COMPLETED SP182 FORMS TO *ANY* AUTHORITY. He said that NJSP has no plans to proactively audit the list of PtC holders who are NJSP applicants to confirm requalification per CCARE requirements. His advice to me was to complete my SP182a (list of handguns intended to be carried) and keep that with my SP182 so that I could produce both documents in the event of an incident. He did not indicate that I should keep those documents with me when I carry, but I will probably keep the originals on file at home, and make copies to keep in my car, just in case. Mr. Rosario also told me he would give Dave Peterson at Woodbine a call to "straighten him out". It might be interesting to be a fly on the wall for that conversation...  Many thanks to DSG Rosario for clearing up this matter!!!

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  10. Posted

    On 12/13/2023 at 4:31 PM, Sudsy said:

    It's cheaper then paying the attorneys.

    This happened to me once, legal extortion. I quote my attorney here "Jerry just pay the settlement. If we go to court the legal fee's will be double that amount. You'll win the war but lose all your soldiers doing it"

    What we need in this country is "loser pays", that will keep this kind of BS from happening. Unfortunately we keep voting lawyers into office, so there's no chance of that ever happening.

    While that is an attractive slogan, I think it's a little more complicated than that in practice. "Loser" pays wouldn't help in this instance unless the loser (e.g. Platkin) had to pay out of his own pocket. And I believe that there are a number of laws that indemnify public officials against being held personally responsible for damage done in the course of their duties, no matter how egregious and unjustified that damage might be. I am also a little apprehensive about that principle where it might affect some little guy who got massively screwed by a big corporation, when litigation was his only recourse. I'm also uncertain how it would apply in class actions.

  11. Posted

    On 12/12/2023 at 9:31 PM, Scorpio64 said:

    This is where GOA, NRA and others should be stepping in.  Maybe if enough NRA members from NJ call and demand that they do something about this, they might actually intervene.  If the NRA won't help with situations like this, then why the hell do they even exist. What's the point in paying dues if you get nothing in return?

    Only if they threatened to key La Pierre's Corniche...

  12. Posted

    On 12/12/2023 at 4:36 PM, Mr.Stu said:

    Where did I highlight the encourage part? The underlined text defines the AG as the chief law enforcement officer of the State. What he does or does not encourage in that role is irrelevant to his position as head cop.

    I have this odd habit of reading beyond what someone has highlighted in a quote :-) That entire paragraph you quoted is chock full of weasel words; "encourage" is just one of them. That word actually means to try to persuade someone to do something that they have discretion to not do. "Chief law enforcement officer of the state" doesn't carry much real meaning without a lot of supporting detail, and "general supervision" does not help at all on that regard. Do you seriously believe if it came down to court challenges and appeals, that ultimately it would be decided that Matt Platkin can, at will, entirely and completely usurp the authority of local administrators to direct the policing of their jurisdictions? I'm not even certain I believe that Matt Platkin himself would indulge that fantasy.

  13. Posted

    39 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said:

    hidden behind a paywall

    I can read it at this simplified url:

    https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2023/12/14/on-guns-police-n78433

    However, I have JavaScript disallowed by default in my browser. When I allow JS, the site wants me to sign up to read past the teaser. Looks like the webmaster at Bearing Arms either lacks fundamental understanding of how to restrict access to web pages, or doesn't really care about anyone who isn't browsing via smartphone (pretty common). If you can turn off JS for that site, you should be able to read the entire article. If you cannot, here is a link to the article at Reason that Knighton refers to (which is unrestricted):

    https://reason.com/volokh/2023/12/11/law-enforcement-officers-are-part-of-the-people-not-above-them/

  14. Posted

    6 hours ago, revenger said:

    when are the NJ gun groups and nationwide gun groups, FPC, GOA, NRA going to start exploring filing lawsuits against these state actors who openly violate their oath of office and misuse state funds to do so.   there is a statue for  violating  the oath and I'm sure something similar to misusing state funds ( your tax dollars ) for those of you in Rio Linda.  I would think any taxpayer has standing in a case like this.

     

    Lets go ANJRPC, start attacking.  think outside the box already!   The communists are attacking the constitution at every chance and not letting up,  It's just a matter of time until they "find" some crack in the ice.

     

       we have to attack, defend and be vigilant 100% of the time,  the domestic terrorists only have to be successful once to win. 

    If all Federal and State governments fully acknowledged and recognized the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms, the raison d'etre for those groups would largely appear to vanish. Of late I have been reflecting on the idea that they may be more acutely aware of that than I previously suspected...

    5 hours ago, 1LtCAP said:

    there is more money in treating the disease than there is in curing the disease.

    A much more succinct expression of what I posted :-)

  15. Posted

    Regarding submitting SP182 to NJSP for NJ PtC requalification.
    I went to Shooters on Tuesday evening, 12/12/2023, to recertify to comply with the CCARE requirements. In my case, my original qualification did not inlcude holster draw. The instructor was Jamell Rosario. The instructor for my original training and qualification in 2022 was Dave Cope (also done at Shooters). I took my completed SP182, signed off by Mr. Rosario, to Woodbine NJSP station this morning to submit it. The trooper on the firearms desk, Dave Peterson, refused to accept it. He gave me two reasons.
    First, he told me that NJSP Firearms Division is regarding the submission of form SP182a (list of firearms intended to be carried, which I did not yet complete) with SP182 as mandatory. I think that's ridiculous, but it is nothing I can't easily deal with.
    The second reason is because the instructor who signed my original certification in 2022, Dave Cope, is not the same instructor who signed my SP182 on 12/12/2023. His reasoning was that SP182 also certifies that use of force training was completed, and Mr. Rosario does not have first-hand knowledge that I did that. Trooper Peterson told me that I would either need to get Mr. Cope to sign my recertification SP182, or get Mr. Rosario to furnish me with a copy of his NRA instructor's certificate to submit with my SP182. Presumably, that leaves Mr. Rosario on the hook for certifying my use of force training as well as my shooting, but that isn't my direct concern. He also told me that I will need to furnish a copy of my original qualfication certification that was signed off my Mr. Cope with my other forms. I have contacted Brielle at Shooters to see if Mr. Rosario will furnish a copy of his NRA instructor credentials to me. Hopefully that will resolve the issue.
    Trooper Peterson claimed to be a 2A supporter (he even claimed that he conducted civilian training classes) but to me, his actions here call that claim into question. How about presuming that, since I do hold a current NJ PtC, that I had successfully completed the use of force training that was required to obtain it (as far as I know, the use of force training requirements have not changed over that period of time)?  If I ever entertained any doubt that there are multiple official forces and actors in NJ government who are looking to see that as few permit holders have the legal right to carry in NJ as they can possibly ensure, by maximizing the number of bureaucratic hoops that must be jumped through, this incident has completely dispelled that.
    Any holder of a current NJ PtC who needs to submit SP182/SP182a to NJSP to meet the additional requirements of CCARE might want to keep my experience in mind.

  16. Posted

    I also had a thought regarding form SP182a: the list of firearms I expect to carry. AFAIK, NJ has no information about the specific firearm with which I qualified. I don't think that was listed on the original qualificaiton form. Even if it was, it damned sure isn't on the SP182 that was completed last night. Neither was I restricted to a specific weapon on my original permit. So, how would any cop, or anyone else for that matter, know whether what I happened to be carrying on any given occasion was, or was not, the gun I used to qualify? And if that is the case, what possible incentive would I have to potentially restrict my carry options by voluntarily giving the state a list?

  17. Posted

    So, I requalified at Shooters last night. They made the process very easy - kudos to them. However, that just emphasized how ludicrous the requirement was. I drove nearly 2 hours (round trip) to shoot for less than 5 minutes, with a couse of fire that didn't prove I had one whit more competence with a handgun than did my original qualification, except, possibly, that I an able to withdraw my gun from a holster wiithout shooting my foot off. Oh, and I guess I should get on my knees and thank Phil Murphy and Matt Platkin for magnanimously allowing me to continue to exercise the privilege of bearing a firearm, for the moment...

  18. Posted

    34 minutes ago, DirtyDigz said:

    My PD emailed me.  I'm sure the "2A Friendly" PD's will make some kind of notification effort, while the "2A hating" PD's will do nothing except hope the majority of their PTC holders remain uninformed.

    I wonder if the NJSP is contacting anyone (those in NJ without a local PD, or out of state PTC holders).

    I didn't hear shit from NJSP: nothing from Woodbine station; nothing from Firearms Div. Pretty much what I expected. Had I failed to requalify, however, I wouldn't have been terribly surprised to find a white SUV with diagnonal blue and yellow stripes sitting across the street from my driveway on Jan 1 <joke - I hope>

  19. Posted

    BTW, how many here think that the December 31 requalificaiton date was selected to cause maximum inconvenience during the holiday season, and result in the revocation of as many PtC as possible? They could just as easily have made it on the anniversary date of the permit. Could be a coincidence, I suppose, but I think that any and all paranoia regarding the motivations of the state of NJ on any firearms issue is emminently justifiable.

  20. Posted

    On 11/17/2023 at 6:26 PM, maintenanceguy said:

    Anyone who gets the same guidance should keep the email.  If something happens and you're arrested and charged, you can use that email as part of your criminal defense.  Entrapment by estoppel is the legal term for "I was coerced into committing a crime because the government gave me bad advice".   It's a legitimate defense in court.  Just need to convince 12 jurors and you're free to go - eventually.

    It may be a legitimate defense (IANAL), but one that I suspect would prevail only after multiple appeals. If I were in that position, I would want to be certain that I was a paid-up member us US Law Shield, or some similar organization that is obligated to provide legal defense for charges aginst those members in good faith compliance with firearms laws, at no additional expense to the defendant.

  21. Posted

    17 hours ago, revenger said:

    maybe the NY AG and judge engoron " AKA   Roland Freisler" should look into it?

    Did you mean NJ AG? What would form the basis for that inquiry? Shooters is private property, and the owner is entitled to dispose of his or her property in any manner he or she pleases. I'm very sad to see them go, but I hold no grudge against Gormley et al for getting whatever the traffic would bear. Now, possibly, some Ocean County taxpayers group might want to investigate whether or not Ocean County is paying 2 - 3x the fair market value of the property. If that is the case, it wouldn't necessarily mean that Ocean County is deliberately trying to rid itself of a shooting range, per se. It could easily be no more than incompetence and willful disregard of the value of the taxpayer's dollar, two characteristics that pretty well define most governments with which I am familiar. BTW, I dislexically swapped the lot and block numbers in my previous post.

  22. Posted

    On 12/10/2023 at 1:27 PM, xXxplosive said:

    Google the location and see all the open land surrounding them.......IMO, it's probably a good opportunity to take the money and.....RUN.

    I had made the mistaken assumption that the Seaman family was sitll somehow involved with Shooters (thought Gormley might be an in-law) but apparently that has not been the case for quite some time. DId a little more research on the Ocean County official web pages. Purchase price of the land was $900,000 in 2010 (iirc). Assessment went to 3 mil (again iirc) with improvements (the range building and parking lot) in 2013. Taxes for 2022 were $85,000. That seems high for a 3 mil property to me down here in Cape May County. That's one hell of a value increase for the assessing party (Ocean County) to buy now for 10 mil. Not sure there isn't some "Jersey biz" going on there beyond what meets the eye. Regarding the surrounding land, wouldn't a lot of that likely be impaired by Garden State Parkway easements? It's block 6 lot 65 if anyone wants to follow up (I strained my old eyes enough already, and I need to shoot tomorrow night :-) That's Ocean County, btw, some news sites (Sandpaper for one) were directing readers to the Ocean Township site.

  23. Posted

    9 hours ago, revenger said:

    I think a way to get qualification removed would be to have a pro-2A governor / legislature from a pro-2A state pass a similar law for voting rights.   "Any legal citizen of the state must take a voter qualification course and score a minimum of 90% in order to receive a Permit to Vote card,  card would be valid for 2 years from date of issue, applicant shall provide 4 references, be of good moral character and submit fingerprints."    when the communists protest this and challenge this to the SCOTUS and it is struck down then any prerequisite to  exercising a constitutional right will be dropped.

    my opinion of course. 

    Might fly at the moment in Texas...

  24. Posted

    On 12/10/2023 at 1:47 PM, Mr.Stu said:

    It has only been the law since May 21, 1970. How much time do you think is needed?

    https://www.njoag.gov/about/

    52:17B-98. Declarations of policy
    The Legislature recognizes that the existence of organized crime presents a serious threat to our political, social and economic institutions and helps bring about a loss of popular confidence in the agencies of government. Accordingly, it is hereby declared to be the public policy of this State to encourage cooperation among law enforcement officers and to provide for the general supervision of criminal justice by the Attorney General as chief law enforcement officer of the State, in order to secure the benefits of a uniform and efficient enforcement of the criminal law and the administration of criminal justice throughout the State. All the provisions of this act shall be liberally construed to achieve these ends and administered and enforced with a view to carrying out the above declaration of policy.

    L.1970, c. 74, s. 2, eff. May 21, 1970.

    I don't know - how long were unconstitutional 2A restrictions in place prior to Heller and Bruen? :-) Also, in my thesaurus "encourage" is not synonymous with "mandate". Of course, some parties in NJ have traditionally "encouraged" repayment of loans by methods some might regard as compulsion, so I guess htere is precedent...

     

  25. Posted

    On 12/8/2023 at 8:40 PM, Mr.Stu said:

    The AG is the Chief law enforcement officer for the entire state. You won't find him in the organization chart for a PD, but he is the last word in the executive branch when it comes to law enforcement. 

    This is the reason police chiefs are repeatedly dropped from the law suits. The AG being enjoined covers every cop in the state. 

    This practice may have become customary, but I remain skeptical that it is ultimately legal. I guess time will tell.

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