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  4. Posted

    4 minutes ago, Lucky Lefty said:

    He read the entire document and it was verbatim the document we have seen signed by the ocean county judge

    I didn't know his permit was signed by the ocean county Judge. Is that confirmed? 

     

    Ocean and monmouth County Vicinage are separate. Judge Rochelle Gizinski is the one who signed that ocean county permit with restrictions. 

    There is no confirmation Ocean County signed his permit. 

    Gloucester/salem/Cumberland counties has one judge processing applications. 

  5. Posted

    Just now, Lucky Lefty said:

    Which shows that the court is going above and beyond against Daniel in issuing his permit.

    Regardless of how many pages they gave him, what's important to take away is the most important page, which lists the restrictions placed upon his permit, is literally identical to the order of restrictions handed out in ocean county. Which were issued at the same exact time.

     

     

    How do you know its identical? He never showed a picture of it, did he? He read it in summation while he talked about it. 

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    2 minutes ago, Combat Auto said:

    Great post meaning the job you did in encapsulation and postulation, not what they are doing to us...

    What did Mr. Francisco do to piss these 2 counties off?

    Why are lumping both counties with Daniel and his permit. He's from monmouth County. Not ocean county. 

    He had been denied his permit when he applied back in 2020ish and he appealed it twice I think. So it's an assumption that they restricted him out of spit after bruen. 

  7. Posted

    13 minutes ago, Lucky Lefty said:

    Which is why I said monmouth and ocean when I mentioned Daniel Francisco. The person asking the original question appeared to not be aware this was happening within both counties, not ocean OR monmouth.

    Hard to say they are not associated when the order appeared simultaneously when Francisco received his permit.

    This is also why l prefaced that blurb with "my educated guess/speculation/assumption..."

    After several permits across the state are issued without this order, and then at the same exact time, permits from monmouth and ocean are issued with exact identical orders, while other counties remain unrestricted, its hard to think they are not related in some capacity. Francisco himself may have nothing to do with ocean, but the officials making the decisions certainly appear to be involved with and/or influencing the decision made in those 2 counties.

    Daniel's court order is four pages. The other order seemed to be one page with the judge's signature on the first page and no indication of subsequent pages 

  8. Posted

    7 minutes ago, Lucky Lefty said:

    Nothing has turned out to be false.

    On Sunday, Evan Nappen put out his latest podcast episode talking about the order in question here.

    No mention of it being a work permit, he acknowledged the validity of the orders that we have seen, and he did not mention anything specifically that was being done but did say it's is in the works to be challenged.

    So far we have seen the order come from ocean and monmouth County, while other counties continue to issue completely unrestricted permits.

    My educated guess/specualtion/assumption is that monmouth and ocean county have a personal issue with Daniel Francisco, and in an attempt to render his permit useless without blatantly displaying discrimination against him, they pulled this order out of nowhere and are applying it to everyone in ocean/monmouth going forward.

    There also now seems to be a delay in any other permits that have been issued from these 2 counties in the past 2 weeks. It seemed they were beginning to churn them out, then this order popped up, and now I haven't heard anything about anyone else receiving their permit.

    Perhaps this could be related to the powers that be possiblybtaking a weeks vacation for labor day? Or could there be some commotion in the background with courts and pds trying to CYA and figure out how keep all of their hoops on fire for us.

     

    Daniel is in monmouth County. The ocean county is not associated with him. It was believed to be someone else but not sure who. 

  10. Posted

    38 minutes ago, Jim Jones said:

    Wrong. This Judge does handle the permits for Ocean County. I called and spoke to the clerk. She also sent me my permit and didn’t have any of this as restrictions on mine. More fake news. We will know soon when my friend gets his. I will post the letter.

    Before accusing people of fake news please confirm your info first. 

    6 minutes ago, Lucky Lefty said:

    It has been verified/confirmed that the 2 confirmed cases of this attached order are not work related permits.

    These are regular civilians who applied for their permit to carry. One in Ocean and one in monmouth .

    This is not speculation.

    I was just about to post to inform him about the monmouth County permit that has the same restrictions since he doesn't seek to be aware. 

  11. Posted

    9 minutes ago, Schrödinger's cat said:

    I just asked a friend from ocean county that got his a few weeks ago. His permit is completely unrestricted and he did not get any letter with restrictions from the court. It may be that this is something that was added later, I’ll ask some others. 
    I dropped off my application at Jackson PD last week and they said they had only sent 8-10 applications to the courts so far. I don’t know if the clerk knew what she was talking about though. 

    your friend most likely got his before this one since this was dated 8/23

  14. Posted

    25 minutes ago, Jim Jones said:

    I would say there is a 1% chance that this is happening for new permit holders in ocean county. This is employment related. My friend should have his ocean county permit back in the next week or so.  As soon as he gets it back I will post it and then we will know if this is something to get our panties in a bunch over.  I find this forum helpful, but there is so much fake news being spread on here to get people worked up it’s insane! 

    no this permit was not employment related. the assumption by the majority that it was. it was confirmed that this judge who doesn't handle the permits issued this based on her own set of rules. 

  15. Posted

    11 minutes ago, Lostboy said:

    I would assume to brow beat you, but I think cal is right, intimidation. Probably to dissuade people from going through with it. 

    Everything in this godforsaken state is based upon making it just a little harder, or inconvenient. 

    If I'm going to be bothered with taking a day off to go to court it should be issued at that meeting. Why do they suck?

    How is it intimidation though? It's a simple fact. The process for the carry permit hasn't been revised so they kept the court appearance portion of it and it's a stupid visit with some stupid questions. Many people have already talked about their court appearance experience and none of them had anything unpleasant to say about it. 

  17. Posted

    1 hour ago, Bushmaster1313 said:

    Worked for me and then my money order was cashed by Middlesex a week later.

    Like it or not, Judges' chambers are very busy places and very thinly staffed.  It would be highly unusual if the deluge of post Bruen carry permit applications did not cause sizeable delays.  

    And to say it is the Judges' own fault is not fair.  Until Bruen Judges were bound by their Oath of Office to follow New Jersey Supreme Court precedent--and they did. 

    u r far too kind or too naive to believe that its not the judges fault. they knew it was coming and even if they didnt. we are well over 60 past this new ruling, they couldve easily revised their process of approving the permits. 

    judges do not need to be involved anymore since there is no case to be presented to them and they are issuing them anywway. 

    they could easily excuse themselves from it and let the PDs handle it. so many things can be done to get this nonesense resolved and get people their permits. instead they are fucking around and wasting time scheduling in person meetings and adding some illegal restrictions that goes against statue and code and law all together because "they can"

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  21. Posted

    1 minute ago, Lostboy said:

    Oh, I'm confused then. Well regardless, then what?

    I don't even understand what he says in that statement. 

     

    Local PD have 60 days to approve or deny your application. If 60 period is up then it's deemed approved and must be sent to the court to get the judge's approval.

    Directive in 2019 was issued to the courts asking them not to exceed 30 days when applications are sent to them from the local PD. 

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  23. Posted

    7 minutes ago, Steve_G said:

     

    I don't think the local pd or the county can cash the money order. It is made out to the Treasure, State of NJ. It has to be cashed by the state. Now, I don't know who sends it to the state, county or local pd. Also, I don't see why anyone is concerned with when the money order is cashed. It is an application fee. The are cashing it whether you are approved or denied.

    It helps establish a timeline or figure out if the application is being worked on or not? I guess that's the train of thought here. 

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